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Post by Shiryu on Feb 6, 2008 21:24:26 GMT -5
Skipping 2 and 3, here is the poll for Avengers 4. How do you rate the issue that brings Cap back to the modern MU and to the Avengers?
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Post by scottharris on Feb 11, 2008 12:33:07 GMT -5
I gave it a 6. The plot is fairly silly -- the part with the alien or whatever -- but all the Captain America stuff is great. You really get a sense of how much the Avengers and the world in general reveres Cap, and I'd think that even kids who hadn't been around to read Cap during the 40's would have gotten a thrill from this story. Stan and Jack make Cap into a BIG DEAL.
As I said, though, the alien plot is kind of a throwaway, so I docked it a couple points. 6.
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Post by Bored Yesterday on Feb 11, 2008 13:09:33 GMT -5
Been awhile since I read it, but it's become a classic. The plot with the alien -- yeah boy. I remember reading that the first time, and I was all excited to see what Cap's first encounter after waking up was -- and it was a generic alien thing. Doesn't it look like broccoli, or is that just my faulty imagination. But the whole part with the Avengers finding him -- that's all great. Make it a 6.
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Post by Shiryu on Feb 28, 2008 17:02:34 GMT -5
I had forgot to vote myself ^^
Gave it 6, for the reasons you've already given. I didn't much like the alien element, but it was an otherwise very nice Silver Age story for me.
EDIT: talking of it, do you remember the way this book was referenced in the Batman/Captain America crossover by Byrne? I thought that was very funny ;D
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Post by Tana Nile on Apr 19, 2008 20:38:19 GMT -5
I went with 5. The story is pretty forgettable, but the moment Cap is brought aboard the sub and the Avengers realize who he is...priceless. They finally had the essential component to make the team really work.
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Post by steed on Apr 21, 2008 8:35:28 GMT -5
I voted it an 8. Sure, the story seems kinda silly today, and so is the explaination of Cap being on ice for "all those years" but this is truely the beginning of the Marvel Universe for me. This really cemented the idea that Marvel, unlike DC and their alternate universe stories, was going to make continuity a staple to their stories, making them seem like they took place in the real world. It was the dividing line between Marvel and DC. Marvel was "real" and DC did hokey stories.
Of course, by today's standards Avengers #4 seems hokey, but back in the days when comics were fun this was a great read.
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Post by sharkar on Apr 23, 2008 18:49:54 GMT -5
I have to vote 8, too. This story is such an important part of Marvel, and well executed (even if some elements haven't aged well...and the fact that Stan Lee forgot about Cap's exploits in the 1950s was later dealt with). I still get goosebumps every time I see that famous panel in which the Wasp realizes the man in tattered clothing is Captain America. Involving Namor in the resurrection was a great move on so many levels. Kirby should have been justifiably proud of his and Simon's creation...and I hope it pleased him to be able to introduce Cap to a new generation of comic book readers. A few months before Avengers #4 (this is a Cap impostor; cover by Kirby).  |
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Post by Shiryu on Apr 23, 2008 20:18:43 GMT -5
I have read that issue of Strange Tales! It ends with the Torch picking up an old "Captain America" comic, remembering how much he liked to see "private Rogers change into Cap", suggesting that not only his ID was publicy known, but there was a whole comic book about him! In the last page, Stan asks the readers if they would like to see the real Cap back, and we can guess what he answer has been ^^ Also, in the whole book Cap's trousers are red! I'll post some pics if I find them  EDIT: found! the whole comic can be downloaded here www.drstrange.nl/drstrange/comics/cbr/strange%20tales%20114.cbz |
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Post by sharkar on Apr 24, 2008 10:14:28 GMT -5
Wow!  Thanks, Shiryu. |
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Post by scottharris on Oct 6, 2008 0:05:04 GMT -5
Can someone delete this bot before he clogs up the whole board? If you could also delete whoever built it from the face of the Earth, that would be a bonus.
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Post by Shiryu on Oct 6, 2008 3:37:51 GMT -5
Sorry for the late intervention. I've just banned the guy and deleted his posts.
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Post by bobc on Oct 6, 2008 17:40:40 GMT -5
I agree with you, Tana (and don't think I don't know where that name comes from!!). Until CA came on board, it seemed like the Avengers comic was just an excuse to bring Thor, Iron Man, Hulk and Giant Man together. Captain America really made the whole team concept work IMO--but not quite as of issue 4 maybe. Notice how cornball CA talks in this issue! Hee hee! He talks more like Reed Richards than the CA we came to know and love later. The same thing happened with the Beast in the first couple of X-Men, only in reverse--the Beast started out sounded exactly like the Thing. I read somewhere that Stan Lee changed how the Beast spoke for exactly that reason--he was too similar to the Thing.
Anyhow--Avengers #4 is huge in terms of importance to the whole Avengers thang, but as a story it was kinda cornball, as were most of the stories back then. I still love them, though! I am totally nerding it up with all the Essential series from Marvel--I've got all the Essential Avengers editions and am also reading the most recent Thor Essential volume--where Volstagg, Fandral and Hogun get introduced! Volstagg was heeeeelarious!
Oh yeah--Tana Nile gets introduced in that volume as well! Wink!
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Post by Tana Nile on Oct 6, 2008 22:47:39 GMT -5
I agree with you, Tana (and don't think I don't know where that name comes from!!). Oh no!! The earthling has discovered my secret! Prepare my cosmo-ship!! |
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Post by Shiryu on Oct 7, 2008 14:42:02 GMT -5
You will be exiled in the Black Galaxy! ^^
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Post by bobc on Oct 8, 2008 16:55:06 GMT -5
I couldn't wait to come back to this forum to lord my new-found Tana Nile knowledge -+over others!! Actually, believe it or not, I remembered Tana Nile from later Thor issues, back in (I'm guessing) the mid 70's when I first started collecting comics as a kiddie! Seems like Tana dropped off the face of the earth by the time the 80's came around. Has she appeared anywhere recently? I liked the design of that character--it was the first female Marvel character, to the best of my recollection, that wasn't what you'd call a "traditional beauty." Poor thing was stumpy with a huge head!
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Post by Shiryu on Oct 8, 2008 17:22:42 GMT -5
I think I read somewhere that she is dead now.
That's what the Master List of the Marvel Appendix says about her
So yes, she is dead.
Or so the world thinks. In truth, we all know she is hiding in a board posing as an American comic book fan ;D
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Post by bobc on Oct 9, 2008 12:37:43 GMT -5
I was going to say how can Tana Nile be dead and still be posting?
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Post by Dr. Hank Pym on Oct 9, 2008 14:58:40 GMT -5
I was going to say how can Tana Nile be dead and still be posting? Nothing's stopped Marvel from bringing characters back from the dead, before! ;D |
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Post by bobc on Oct 10, 2008 14:04:10 GMT -5
I hate it when Marvel does that. The only character that made sense to do that with was Phoenix.
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Post by Tana Nile on Oct 15, 2008 10:20:41 GMT -5
I was going to say how can Tana Nile be dead and still be posting? Skrull!! |
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Post by Ignore Me! on Oct 15, 2008 17:39:25 GMT -5
Maybe the Colonizers were Skrulls in disguise all along.....
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Post by bobc on Oct 16, 2008 14:44:31 GMT -5
Don't give Bendis any ideas...
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Post by Ignore Me! on Oct 16, 2008 17:09:17 GMT -5
Don't give Bendis any ideas... Hush my mouth! All who read this will forget! FORGET! Ignore me! |
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Post by Ignore Me! on Oct 16, 2008 17:34:26 GMT -5
I think I read somewhere that she is dead now. That's what the Master List of the Marvel Appendix says about her So yes, she is dead. Or so the world thinks. In truth, we all know she is hiding in a board posing as an American comic book fan ;D Empress Tana the First would not die so easily! |
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Post by ultron69 on May 7, 2009 12:23:11 GMT -5
I gave it a 6. I like the way they brought Cap back, and they did a good job of building him up into something special, but the plot itself was nothing special.
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Thanks, Shiryu. 
