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Post by betaraybill on Feb 7, 2009 21:11:31 GMT -5
1. Byrne 2. Perez (70's) 3. Epting 4. John Buscema 5. Finch - McNiven - Perez (90's) tie
I'd like to see someone like Olivier Coipel pick up the series.
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Post by Tana Nile on Feb 15, 2009 17:49:52 GMT -5
I've come to really appreciate Alan Davis' work and think he did a fine job on the team.
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Post by ultron69 on May 5, 2009 14:42:36 GMT -5
Perez is #1 on my list. His stuff from the 160's through #202, especially. I'd probably put Byrne second. Neal Adams is great, but like someone else pointed out, he only did four issues.
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Post by starfoxxx on May 5, 2009 15:10:35 GMT -5
PEREZ, and IMHO he's the greatest comic book artist EVER.
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Post by bobc on May 5, 2009 16:43:23 GMT -5
Tell me your criteria, Starfoxx. I mean does his art just appeal to you in general, or can you name what you like specifically?
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Post by bobc on May 5, 2009 16:46:11 GMT -5
My list would be:
1. John Buscema when inked by Tom Palmer 2. Brian Hitch (okay he's Ultimates but he still kicks you-know-what) 3. John Byrne 4. George Perez
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Post by ultron69 on May 6, 2009 6:54:22 GMT -5
I agree with Starfoxx. Perez is my all time favorite artist, too. His stuff is just beautiful and realistic. I am not a fan of the stylized stuff.
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Post by starfoxxx on May 6, 2009 15:08:40 GMT -5
Tell me your criteria, Starfoxx. I mean does his art just appeal to you in general, or can you name what you like specifically? Perez is so consistent, realistic, great emotive facial expressions to help convey feelings, I really don't know what else to say, just look at Avengers vs JLA, and if it doesn't blow you away, we'll just have to agree to disagree. His 80's Teen Titans stuff is simply gorgeous, some of the best emotion ever in the medium. His Starfire just might have been the inspiration for me to hit puberty . Judas Contract will blow you away. And for me specifically, I can appreciate a beautiful woman, and Perez draws some sexy super-heroines. I'm sick of these new artists who draw ugly women. Nothing against ugly women, but I don't want them in my comic books. I remember reading/hearing an anecdote about the making of the Planet of the Apes films, about how the simian-actors should use their eyes to emote. Perez knows how to draw eyes to show emotion. It makes me shake my head how many new artists skip over this, or just draw blank eyes. Big mistake, IMHO. I wish he was drawing Mighty Avengers, with the Chthon storyline, it would be a spectacular flashback for myself and many Avengers fans, I'm sure.
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Post by bobc on May 6, 2009 15:36:20 GMT -5
I really like GP's work, Starfoxx. I was seriously asking what you liked about his style--that's all! I didn't care for his work in the 70's but loved his stint in the 90's. In fact, I'd put that era up against any other era in Avengers history as being my favorite, along with Byrne's stuff and Roy Thomas/John Buscema's work in the 70's/60's.
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Post by visionloveswanda on Apr 8, 2011 0:09:12 GMT -5
I gotta go with George Perez.
I love all of his Avenger work (and the non-Avenger stuff too). And note that his story ideas and writing are not too bad either. A lot folks forget that he is a writer as well.
I know George personally and one of the coolest things about him is that he really kind of lives the superhero persona in his everyday life. Not fighting crime of course, hee, hee, but he is the first guy to help someone, always generous with his time, compliments and the little things that many people overlook.
Despite his fame, he still exhibits the same passion for the work and the characters that we big nerds on this site have! I suspect a lot of folks who go to comicon and all the smaller ones do it as drudgery, but not George. He loves every second of it. You gotta love somebody like that.
Hats off to ya Mr. Perez!
VLW
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Post by humanbelly on Apr 10, 2011 6:18:52 GMT -5
I gotta go with George Perez. I love all of his Avenger work (and the non-Avenger stuff too). And note that his story ideas and writing are not too bad either. A lot folks forget that he is a writer as well. I know George personally and one of the coolest things about him is that he really kind of lives the superhero persona in his everyday life. Not fighting crime of course, hee, hee, but he is the first guy to help someone, always generous with his time, compliments and the little things that many people overlook. Despite his fame, he still exhibits the same passion for the work and the characters that we big nerds on this site have! I suspect a lot of folks who go to comicon and all the smaller ones do it as drudgery, but not George. He loves every second of it. You gotta love somebody like that. Hats off to ya Mr. Perez! VLW This is a very endearing testamonial, VLW-- thanks many times over for sharing it with us. Very gratifying to know that Mr. Perez' love for his work is so deep and sincere. It certainly comes through in the finished product. One of his best moments, IMO? In one of the early issues of the Busiek reboot, there is a collage of small panels that simply show each Avenger's eyes in a "reaction shot". And you are able to RECOGNIZE EACH SET OF EYES. I don't know if there is another artist that has ever been able to achieve this level of visual idenitification, and it just shows how real the characters he draws are to him. Has that moment stuck with anyone else, by any chance? HB
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Post by visionloveswanda on Apr 10, 2011 18:16:28 GMT -5
HB-- I recalled it immediately when you started describing it! You are right, that might be one of his best Avenger moments. I've been very fortunate to make his acquaintance (his wife and my wife are friends) and he refers to the characters as his little children. He once told me the reason he loves to do ensemble titles like the Avengers is that he does not have to pick between his children. he just gets to draw them all. How cool is that? VLW
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Post by visionloveswanda on Apr 10, 2011 18:31:59 GMT -5
Darn ya HB-- I HAD to go look it up after I read your post! Anyone who wants to relive that particular moment it is when the eastern European country is destroyed by Ultron (#20 Vol 2, 1999) and the Avengers are watching the video footage (pre-9/11 I might add). Perez has them all expressing individuated responses. Such great emotions expressed through the eyes of the characters as was mentioned above in the older posts here. BTW--I always loved that he made Wanda's costume more belly dancer styled. My wife is a belly dancer. Then when we moved out here to Florida, my wife met his wife (also a belly dancer) and it all made sense! ;D --VLW
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Post by ultron69 on Apr 12, 2011 8:11:59 GMT -5
I gotta go with George Perez. I love all of his Avenger work (and the non-Avenger stuff too). And note that his story ideas and writing are not too bad either. A lot folks forget that he is a writer as well. I know George personally and one of the coolest things about him is that he really kind of lives the superhero persona in his everyday life. Not fighting crime of course, hee, hee, but he is the first guy to help someone, always generous with his time, compliments and the little things that many people overlook. Despite his fame, he still exhibits the same passion for the work and the characters that we big nerds on this site have! I suspect a lot of folks who go to comicon and all the smaller ones do it as drudgery, but not George. He loves every second of it. You gotta love somebody like that. Hats off to ya Mr. Perez! VLW It's awesome to know that my all time favorite artist is also a nice guy and loves his work! ;D I heard last year that his health wasn't that good. I hope I heard wrong.
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Post by ultron69 on Apr 12, 2011 8:13:50 GMT -5
Darn ya HB-- I HAD to go look it up after I read your post! Anyone who wants to relive that particular moment it is when the eastern European country is destroyed by Ultron (#20 Vol 2, 1999) and the Avengers are watching the video footage (pre-9/11 I might add). Perez has them all expressing individuated responses. Such great emotions expressed through the eyes of the characters as was mentioned above in the older posts here. BTW--I always loved that he made Wanda's costume more belly dancer styled. My wife is a belly dancer. Then when we moved out here to Florida, my wife met his wife (also a belly dancer) and it all made sense! ;D --VLW Wow, that's a cool tidbit.
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Post by robert on May 15, 2011 13:40:34 GMT -5
DLW66, Couldn't help noticing you mention Bob Brown and wondering if he was still alive. He actually passed away in January 1977. I found out from a DC comic that was accidentally bought for me that spring. I believe Marvel did mention his passing in a small way on a Bulletins Page that I saw years later (getting US Marvels was tricky in the UK then). I always really liked his artwork, especially on DD. Klaus Janson inked his pencils on a two-part Torpedo story that was just gorgeous. Another under-valued guy.
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Post by robert on May 15, 2011 13:45:52 GMT -5
Another George Perez story - and, yes, he's the definitive Avengers artist for me, too. A few years back he was visiting Scotland and passed through Edinburgh. Even though it was not part of a signing session or any planned visit, he stopped off in the Forbidden Planet there and signed comics, drew sketches and chatted away for an hour. This guy was on holiday and was still happy to spend an hour in a comic shop doing that. (An Avengers poster he signed still hangs behind their counter.) The man's a class act.
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Post by humanbelly on May 15, 2011 15:53:26 GMT -5
You know what the telling distinction is, IMO? As VLW relates, GP thinks of the characters as his "children"-- which strongly suggests a sense of responsibility for their fate & well-being in general (regardless of the fact that they're fictional). He cares ABOUT them. That is something palpably missing for me in New A, Mighty A, and really, Secret A right now. The creative drivers seem highly interested in having CONTROL over these interesting, fun characters, and delight in doing whatever the heck amuses them--- but there is absolutely no sense of proper, personal, emotional investment at all. Many writers are brought to tears by what happens to their own characters in the process of writing their stories. I. . . I can't even remotely imagine that happening with the current crew, for the most part.
Mark Hammer gave us a terrific maxim in an acting class on how to ensure that you're dealing with your character with all due integrity: "Nothing else matters, because you have a life in your hands." If anything, it's even MORE applicable to writers, eh?
And boy, imagine how that resonated w/ an actor whose main literary influence included the phrase, "With great power comes great responsibility-."--!
HB
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Post by tomspasic on May 15, 2011 16:57:26 GMT -5
It's a tough choice. I'd probably have to go with Perez at number one, like so many others. The reasons would be the quality of the art, the number of issues, the storytelling, the crowd scenes. John Buscema would be another obvious favourite for me. Coupled with Palmer on inks, is pretty much perfect for my tastes. He only did a few issues, but I loved Kirby's issues, and wished he could have done more. Don Heck's art I hated as a child (stupid boy that I was), but value much much more as an adult. The man could tell stories, and that is what counts. Jim Starlin was the best Avengers artist who never got a decent run. The Captain Marvel issues with the Avengers in in the Thanos/Cosmic Cube story are in some ways the perfect Avengers stories for me. If they got Starlin to draw Bendis' Avengers, I'd start buying again, just for the art. That is not true of any other artist, not even Perez.
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Post by kidcage on May 18, 2011 14:32:41 GMT -5
While my knowledge of art is really limited, I do like John Buscema
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Post by humanbelly on May 18, 2011 16:28:43 GMT -5
I don't know if I can even pick a favorite anymore-- at least not for pencils. John Buscema, Neal Adams, George Perez, John Byrne, Alan Davis. Also Gene Colan for the few great issues he did in the 60's. And I shan't stand down for Steve Epting, either. Geeze, I love 'em all! Perhaps. . . favorite inker would be the more subtle decision to make? And even then it's tough. Tom Palmer would seem to be the obvious choice (spanning the decades with superb work), BUT-- I may still be inclined to go with Joe Sinnott for pretty much single-handedly saving the title during ol' Al Milgrom's long-ish run as penciller. And he was, of course, great overtop everyone else as well.
HB
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Post by sharkar on May 25, 2011 22:58:35 GMT -5
OMG, I can't believe I haven't already posted in this thread! My favorite Avengers artist would have to be a tie between Don Heck in the 1960s, for his storytelling and his depictions of the characters--when I think of my favorite cast (Hank, Jan, Wanda , Pietro, Cap, Hawkeye, Natasha, Hercules), it's his versions of the characters that I "see"; and--like a lot of others here--John Buscema, for the sheer beauty of his work. But--Buscema as inked by George Klein. Klein has always been my favorite Buscema inker--he smoothed out Buscema's craggy edges, added just enough detail but no extraneous fancy effects, and his inks didn't overpower JB's pencils. IMO the best Buscema art was that string of issues where he was paired with Klein, on Avengers #55 through #59, and then then #61-62. In fact to this day when I think of classic, quintessential examples of (mid-to-late) Silver Age art I think of Buscema-Klein; Swan-Klein; and Kirby-Sinnott.
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Post by martyp on Jun 13, 2011 11:06:45 GMT -5
1-Mike Deodato Jr. 2-Steve Epting 3-George Perez
The Avengers series has had some of the greatest artists pencilling the series, but these 3 will always be my faves....not just on Avengers.
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Post by humanbelly on Jun 13, 2011 20:48:19 GMT -5
1-Mike Deodato Jr. 2-Steve Epting 3-George Perez The Avengers series has had some of the greatest artists pencilling the series, but these 3 will always be my faves....not just on Avengers. This is not quite the list that we tend to see on this board, but I'll tell you, I absolutely respect it. Deadato is quite the artistic chameleon-- able to change style and technique almost by writer-request, it would seem. His Incredible Hulk run in the 90's was big and dramatic-- but still overly dependent on that awful exaggerated-body "hot artist" style of the time. Then a few years later, he comes back to the re-booted Hulk with Bruce Jones writing, and although I was hating the direction of the book, I was completely overwhelmed by his incredibly nuanced, expressive, realistic artwork. It was an odd feeling, 'cause I was loving the art so much while hating the storyline with an equal passion. And Steve Epting-- heck, somewhere back in earlier threads I think I recall giving him a shout-out, 'cause I thought his fine, fine work on the title was often overlooked due to the fact that the Gatherers-era storylines have been less than well received historically. Tom Palmer, I believe, did a lot of the inking during that run? Very, very good work. George Perez-- heh, on that Ultimate Avengers DVD he pops up in some interviews. . . and he's just as delightful as folks around here have been saying--! HB
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Post by owene on Jun 14, 2011 15:07:57 GMT -5
I just read Perez' legion of 3 worlds tpb and the job he does on hundreds of LSH characters is amazing. There are a few where he tried a little too hard to ape the style of artists associated with the characters (a weird Humberto Ramos style Impulse) that didn't quite work but apart from that it was absolutely gorgeous and reignited by Legion fandom.
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Post by starfoxxx on Jun 15, 2011 14:59:27 GMT -5
I just read Perez' legion of 3 worlds tpb and the job he does on hundreds of LSH characters is amazing. There are a few where he tried a little too hard to ape the style of artists associated with the characters (a weird Humberto Ramos style Impulse) that didn't quite work but apart from that it was absolutely gorgeous and reignited by Legion fandom. owene, YES! Legion/3Worlds was great, the story was ok, but the art made up for it. Perez is just amazing. And if you have reignited your Legion fandom, I hope you are reading Levitz' Adventure and Legion series(s) from the last few months (@spring-summer 2011). The art and covers are pretty nice, too ( i wish it was Perez, though). It's the only DC stuff I'm reading now, but i highly recommend it. I'm not sure what will happen when DC restarts Legion at #1, but I will be disappointed if Levitz and a good artist are not included.
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Post by owene on Jun 15, 2011 15:28:30 GMT -5
I'm waiting on the book version (I know a DC one is out but the british edition isn't out yet) but am really looking forward to it, its a long time since i read any of them but I loved levitz' previous runs.
Other than the Perez Legion and the superman and the legion tpb I haven't read any DC stuff since I got back into comics, just wouldn't know where to start really, the superman continuity in those legion stories seemed really alien to me. I guess the Byrne origin is out of continuity again?
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Post by comaboy on Jul 10, 2011 8:21:31 GMT -5
If there was one person who has worked in comics that I could meet it would be George Perez. I have loved his art since the mid-70s and he's one artist that makes each character an individual. By comparison, and not to pick because I really like what he does on Young Avengers, Jim Cheung's characters tend to look a lot alike.
Other favorites include both Buscemas, Neal Adams and John Byrne, again during his 70's run on Avengers.
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Post by humanbelly on Jul 16, 2011 5:52:53 GMT -5
If there was one person who has worked in comics that I could meet it would be George Perez. I have loved his art since the mid-70s and he's one artist that makes each character an individual. By comparison, and not to pick because I really like what he does on Young Avengers, Jim Cheung's characters tend to look a lot alike. Other favorites include both Buscemas, Neal Adams and John Byrne, again during his 70's run on Avengers. On that Ultimate Avengers animated DVD (or maybe it was Next Avengers?), one of the extras is interviews with assorted Avengers creators, and Perez is one of them. And all of the terrific personal qualities that folks have had to say about him on this board recently just shine through. He's a bubbly, delightfully enthusiastic guy who LOVES his work and the characters he brings to life. There couldn't be a guy better-suited for the exact field that he works in-! HB (mod: Ha! Yes, I see that I'm in fact repeating myself from a post just above. I suspect I'm about the oldest fogey 'round here. . . time is perhaps taking its toll, eh? ;D)
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Post by Marvel Boy on Mar 5, 2013 12:42:22 GMT -5
All-Time Favorite would have to be Perez. I've been catching up on Vol. 3 with Busiek and his work there is outstanding. Character definitions, their emotional and visual responses, the action scenes, the level of detail in his backgrounds is unreal. The man draws the best-looking Wanda ever.
Personal Favorites would be Al Milgrom and John Buscema. They were the mainstay artists when I started reading the Avengers back in the 80s. Milgrom provided solid consistent art and is a great storyteller. Buscema, with Tom Palmer, made great stories such as Under Siege even better. Love it.
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