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Post by goldenfist on Mar 27, 2008 8:01:12 GMT -5
Here's a review from ign.com on New Avengers #39.
With Secret Invasion only a week away, New Avengers #39 scrambles to lay its final piece of groundwork leading into the event. And unlike issue #38, this issue actually warrants its "Infiltration" cover tag.
It's difficult to talk about New Avengers #39 without delving into direct spoilers. What I can say, though, is that it features Wolverine and the criminally ignored Echo, and there's a fight. Oh, and that it's really enjoyable. The fight itself carries a heavy sense of dread and perfectly sets the tone for the sort of event Secret Invasion will be. As far as Echo, there's some nice characterization for her, the likes of which haven't been seen since her days in Daredevil. If ever there were a single, shining reason why she needs to be a bigger presence in this book, this issue is it. She's easily one of the more compelling characters on the roster, especially because she's one of the few who can't be seen in any other book. And speaking of her Daredevil origins, Echo's creator David Mack turns up on art duties.
Let me get this out of the way: don't expect New Avengers by way of Kabuki here -- there's hardly any trace of Mack's signature painted, layered style in issue #39. It's all firmly in the superhero comic tradition. It's absolutely solid stuff, no doubt, with some of Mack's trademark quirky panel progression and detailed touches. The fight itself looks great. But it's not what some may be expecting from a book bearing David Mack's name.
Rocketing into Secret Invasion, it's clear New Avengers is the tie-in to watch. And while it might not contain the slap upside the head that Illuminati #5 delivered, it's still a good idea for anyone who's got the Invasion itch to pick this one up.
Review Score: 8.8 Great
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Post by woodside on Mar 27, 2008 15:11:01 GMT -5
This was a great issue, I thought. There seems to be some thought on Bendis' part as to who the Skrulls are actually infiltrating. The decision to go after Maya was a great one, really, because of all the reasons Wolverine pointed out.
It also looks like we're dealing with a lot of Warskrull/Super-Skrull types as well.
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Post by dlw66 on Mar 27, 2008 16:18:04 GMT -5
Everyone here knows I've sworn off New Avengers, but Sweet Christmas!! I just had to show you young pups what Luke Cage REALLY looks like --  |
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Post by goldenfist on Mar 27, 2008 20:02:34 GMT -5
Did anyone see the end of the book cause I don't want to give
away what happened at the end of the book.
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Post by Tana Nile on Mar 28, 2008 15:33:26 GMT -5
God, I'm ashamed to admit it, but I love that look for Luke Cage...
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Post by goldenfist on Mar 28, 2008 15:40:01 GMT -5
That was back when he and Iron Fist were HEROES FOR HIRE.
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Post by von Bek on Mar 29, 2008 11:07:18 GMT -5
Is that a Isaak Hayes soundtrack I´m hearing?
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Post by woodside on Mar 29, 2008 14:14:10 GMT -5
Is that a Isaak Hayes soundtrack I´m hearing? Shut your mouth!  |
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Post by freedomfighter on Mar 30, 2008 0:46:20 GMT -5
Is that a Isaak Hayes soundtrack I´m hearing? Hate to nitpick, but since I'm such a big fan, his name is Isaac Hayes* with a c (Just in case someone does a google search)! As to this issue, I suppose it's okay--nothing wrong with it per se. However, for a great majority of the issue it would've been just as appropriate to print it as a special "Secret Invasion" tie in book. I am of the mindset that an Avengers book should have more of a team dynamic and a storyline that advances the evolving team interplay. I didn't feel that from this book. Others may have. *edit-- I then of course misspelled Isaac in my post. Duuuuh.... |
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Post by starfoxxx on Mar 30, 2008 17:00:17 GMT -5
I am of the mindset that an Avengers book should have more of a team dynamic and a storyline that advances the evolving team interplay. Exactly how I feel, though I have now given up any hope for this title being a "team" OR "Avengers" book, just Bendis doing an ALIAS-style book where he uses Marvel Universe characters to tell a bigger story with a lot of loose ends that he may or may not tie up someday. I kind of liked #39, but it had little to do with the Avengers besides Hawkeye nailing Echo.  |
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Post by woodside on Mar 31, 2008 1:01:04 GMT -5
I am of the mindset that an Avengers book should have more of a team dynamic and a storyline that advances the evolving team interplay. Exactly how I feel, though I have now given up any hope for this title being a "team" OR "Avengers" book, just Bendis doing an ALIAS-style book where he uses Marvel Universe characters to tell a bigger story with a lot of loose ends that he may or may not tie up someday. I kind of liked #39, but it had little to do with the Avengers besides Hawkeye nailing Echo. What about the Secret Invasion bits? That seemed Avengers-like and there was interplay between Wolverine and Echo, and they are Avengers (well, New Avengers, but Avengers). I'm not keen on the Echo/Hawkeye hook-up. |
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Post by starfoxxx on Mar 31, 2008 10:05:33 GMT -5
What about the Secret Invasion bits? That seemed Avengers-like and there was interplay between Wolverine and Echo, and they are Avengers (well, New Avengers, but Avengers). Sorry, maybe I'm old-school, set in my ways, stubborn, whatever....But for me, Wolverine will always be an X-man (or X-whaever-they-come-up-with-next) and Spidey will always be a loner. Guess I just have read too many darn comics where the status quo was established as such. |
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Post by goldenfist on Mar 31, 2008 12:44:16 GMT -5
Then tell me why Spider-Man had alot of team ups and why Capta
in America said Spider-Man could join the New Avengers.
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Post by starfoxxx on Mar 31, 2008 13:08:25 GMT -5
Then tell me why Spider-Man had alot of team ups and why Capta in America said Spider-Man could join the New Avengers. Maybe Cap was really a Skrull. ;D |
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Post by woodside on Mar 31, 2008 16:22:19 GMT -5
What about the Secret Invasion bits? That seemed Avengers-like and there was interplay between Wolverine and Echo, and they are Avengers (well, New Avengers, but Avengers). Sorry, maybe I'm old-school, set in my ways, stubborn, whatever....But for me, Wolverine will always be an X-man (or X-whaever-they-come-up-with-next) and Spidey will always be a loner. Guess I just have read too many darn comics where the status quo was established as such. But Wolverine and Spider-Man as Avengers is the established status quo. |
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Post by starfoxxx on Mar 31, 2008 17:42:51 GMT -5
But Wolverine and Spider-Man as Avengers is the established status quo. Yes, established by Bendis, for whatever that's worth. |
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Post by freedomfighter on Apr 1, 2008 0:25:32 GMT -5
Sorry, maybe I'm old-school, set in my ways, stubborn, whatever....But for me, Wolverine will always be an X-man (or X-whaever-they-come-up-with-next) and Spidey will always be a loner. Guess I just have read too many darn comics where the status quo was established as such. But Wolverine and Spider-Man as Avengers is the established status quo. In defense of my viewpoint, I would say that interplay between two characters at a time isn't the team dynamic I'm looking for. An example I could give of this would be that a good writer couldn't dialogue an issue of FF the same way he or she would X-men because of the way the dynamic between the characters works. I don't have a sense of a team dynamic with Bendis and I find that a great failing. If you are more interested in his storytelling and the way it creates a different type of mood, this may not be an issue to you. I also consider an issue that features Marvel's arguably most overexposed character is generally a waste of good characterization time for other members of the cast. I just feel there's not a lot of new that he brings to Wolverine and having another fifteen pages devoted to him may not be the best use of said pages. I would think new readers don't have much reason to think Ronin/Hawkeye is very cool yet. How about showcasing him and the leadership skills he demonstrated in Thunderbolts to coordinate a small team of these New Avengers to face the menace of the issue. That would've been far more interesting to me as an issue. |
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Post by goldenfist on Apr 2, 2008 8:50:59 GMT -5
One problem Luke is still leader.
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Post by freedomfighter on Apr 2, 2008 16:15:58 GMT -5
One problem Luke is still leader. That's not really a problem is it? This issue featured Wolverine and Echo. Why not an issue featuring Ronin, Spider Woman Echo and Spider Man, for example? Clint doesn't have to take over the team, just show how well he works in a team setting in a single issue. |
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Post by goldenfist on Apr 2, 2008 21:18:42 GMT -5
You'll have to wait a couple of issues for Spider-Man cause the
next few issues talk about who helped the villains in Breakout
and Nick Fury will finally appear I've been wondering where the
heck he's been since Secret War.
If Clint was leader he would talk his story when the Avengers encountered the Squadron Supreme, Remember what Clint said
about the JLA in JLA/Avengers he called them Squadron Supreme
wannabes.
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Post by saldawyz on Apr 3, 2008 7:42:47 GMT -5
two things: first, that Power Man outfit is horrendous. Although I believe it is a far more dynamic and interesting look for Cage than his current t-shirt and khakis, his best outfit is a solid cross between the two. as he wore in H4H under Hammond @ Oracle, Inc.
second: the reviewer is spot on in thinking that Ronin is uncool. Completely uninteresting costume and gear. Call Moonkinght for nunchucks and staves. Clint would be far more useful as Hawkeye. Also, I'm not sure what is going on w/ Maya and Clint post-coitus. Is she re-painting her face for patrol #2? Is she a skrull reaching for a defensless Ronin? At least the artists did a good job of making me feel uncomfortable at issues end.
P.S. I should stop reading New and Mighty back-to-back. I seem to notice more of the "here we go!" and "@#%^" thought balloons.
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Post by goldenfist on Apr 17, 2008 9:33:46 GMT -5
Clint said he's not going back to being Hawkeye, He's leaving
the name with Hawkeye of the Young Avengers.
When Echo wore the suit you didn't know if it was a woman unde
r the mask.
In the Ultimate Spider-Man book Ultimate Moon Knight became
Ultimate Ronin.
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