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Post by Bored Yesterday on Nov 1, 2007 15:43:45 GMT -5
and the part that makes this relevant to the thread is that once teh New Avengers aren't a bunch of refugees, then they can have stories that appeal to me more and I, for one, won't need the team to disband in order to like their books.
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Post by balok on Nov 1, 2007 19:24:48 GMT -5
They'll always be refugees, though. Or in prison. Well, except for Doctor Strange, who (like Thor) Tony exempted from the SHRA because, basically, he doesn't have the power to compel compliance. Doctor Strange could return to / establish a sanctum pretty much anywhere; even if Tony *did* manage to interfere with or imprison him, that would be the height of stupidity, since it would give Dormammu and others an opportunity.
Most of the others have openly flaunted the law and done so for nearly a year. A grant of amnesty at this point would be a statement that the law is not *really* being enforced. There's no way the government can make such a statement. They pretty much have to go to prison when caught unless they manage special circumstances.
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Post by woodside on Nov 3, 2007 16:41:33 GMT -5
I think "New Avengers" overall is stronger now that it has a direction. Bendis does best when he's writing a book that has a very direct storyline. The pre-"Civil War" New Avengers was weaker because it was pretty much "we're kinda-sorta the Avengers, but just different and new and HEY WE'VE GOT WOLVERINE BUY THIS BOOK." Now, there's a build-up and an on-going storyline (Secret Invasion) which definetly helps. My dream is that after "Secret Invasion," Mighty Avengers gets handed off to, say, Brian Reed or Joe Casey or Ed Brubaker, featuring a new, more classic-toned Avengers team; and New Avengers gets renamed (as I mentioned earlier) as "Secret Avengers" and keeps the focus on the ground level characters, ie. Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Echo, etc. Still written by Bendis, so as to appease both the classic fans and the NA fans. But dreams don't always come true . . .
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Post by Doctor Doom on Nov 3, 2007 18:48:29 GMT -5
I couldn't see Brubaker writing an Avengers book. He tends to play better with solo books, and the fact that he's good at noir means he'd be a better fit for New than Mighty, I think. I think Millar would be fantastic on Mighty- big team he loves, high concept, he'd have some brilliant massive-scale romps. Failing that, I would really love to see Mark Waid write for Marvel again and especially Avengers- most of my dream creators have worked on them in some way but Waid only did so very briefly before Heroes Reborn. I think he could take Mighty and make it great, just as he made JLA great. Morrison is another who would do awesome on Mighty, I think, but he's DC exclusive of course.
But since this is about New, my view stands, rename them something which isn't Avengers and keep it exactly the way it is.
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Post by shag on Nov 3, 2007 21:26:53 GMT -5
Don't flame me for saying this, but I'm okay with the New Avengers for the most part. Since Civil War, I feel that the title "New" Avengers finally fits this team. Before Civil War the "New" was simply a reason to launch a #1. At least now with such non-traditional Avengers the name makes sense.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think this book is perfect. I also think the art is pretty weak. However, when considered "New" Avengers I'm okay with it mostly.
I would probably change the roster some if I had my druthers. I'm not a big fan of Iron Fist, and I feel he's somewhat redundant on this team. We've already got a strong guy (Luke Cage) and now we have another martial artist (Echo).
Also, in regard to Clint... This is simply a phase. Of course he'll return to being Hawkeye. This is just an opportunity for Bendis to give this character some subplot. And I'm don't think it will be a problem if Kate Bishop (Young Avengers) and Clint both call themselves Hawkeye. DC has been doing the whole two-people-with-the-same-name thing for years (Flash, Green Lantern, Wildcat, etc).
Just my two cents.
Shag
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Post by goldenfist on Nov 3, 2007 23:18:28 GMT -5
I've been okay with New Avengers ever since the 1st issue came out, I know not everyone was happy about the roster but that's because of Bendis making the roster and some Avengers fans weren't happy.
The New Avengers roster will be in the Avengers/Invaders story line Spider-Woman will also be on the New Avengers but not everyone will next to her since they think she's a Skrull.
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Post by uberwolf on Nov 4, 2007 9:22:01 GMT -5
Also, in regard to Clint... This is simply a phase. Of course he'll return to being Hawkeye. This is just an opportunity for Bendis to give this character some subplot. And I'm don't think it will be a problem if Kate Bishop (Young Avengers) and Clint both call themselves Hawkeye. Good point Shag. I'm sure someday down the line when sanity returns to Marvel, Clint will be Hawkeye again. I was wondering though, since I don't read this anymore, has BENDIS! explained how Clint is suddenly adept with dual Katanas after all those years of bowslinging?
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Post by woodside on Nov 4, 2007 10:59:59 GMT -5
Also, in regard to Clint... This is simply a phase. Of course he'll return to being Hawkeye. This is just an opportunity for Bendis to give this character some subplot. And I'm don't think it will be a problem if Kate Bishop (Young Avengers) and Clint both call themselves Hawkeye. Good point Shag. I'm sure someday down the line when sanity returns to Marvel, Clint will be Hawkeye again. I was wondering though, since I don't read this anymore, has BENDIS! explained how Clint is suddenly adept with dual Katanas after all those years of bowslinging? Uh . . . magic? See, that's what I meant by Bendis not doing his homework. Although, to be honest, it's not something I would have thought about if you hadn't mentioned it.
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Post by uberwolf on Nov 5, 2007 10:24:41 GMT -5
I've mentioned this before. I see a lame attempt at explaining Clint's sword skills by saying he was trained by the Swordmaster. However, Swordy used a broadsword which a different weapon and uses a completely different style than Katanas.
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Post by woodside on Nov 5, 2007 14:49:44 GMT -5
I see a lame attempt at explaining Clint's sword skills by saying he was trained by the Swordmaster. However, Swordy used a broadsword which a different weapon and uses a completely different style than Katanas. Hmmmm . . . Perhaps if Swordmaster is truly master of the sword, he knows all sorts of swords and how to use them -- including Katana. And maybe Clint saw an episode of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and thought "Man, I would love to learn how to use a Katana just as good as Leonardo" and went to Swordmaster about it. How's that? Do I get the No-Prize?
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Post by goldenfist on Nov 5, 2007 15:36:56 GMT -5
Clint is a Master archer,Uses variety of trick arrows,Skilled martial artist and gymnast.
I'm suprised that Clint didn't tell Kate Bishop that he is alive when he met her, Clint was in the Captain America costume and Kate said she wanted to honor Hawkeye not copy his costume cause that would be shameful she further states that "if Hawkeye were alive, I'd call myself something else.
There was another Hawkeye of the Squadron Supreme but he later changed his name to Golden Archer then Black Archer.
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Post by uberwolf on Nov 6, 2007 10:54:57 GMT -5
Hmmmm . . . Perhaps if Swordmaster is truly master of the sword, he knows all sorts of swords and how to use them -- including Katana. And maybe Clint saw an episode of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and thought "Man, I would love to learn how to use a Katana just as good as Leonardo" and went to Swordmaster about it. How's that? Do I get the No-Prize? Works as good as anything else these days. Consider yourself No-Prized.
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Post by uberwolf on Nov 6, 2007 10:56:53 GMT -5
Um, can we issue no-prizes or are they trademarked? You may have to settle for a Not-Prize
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Post by sharkar on Nov 6, 2007 17:33:03 GMT -5
There was another Hawkeye of the Squadron Supreme but he later changed his name to Golden Archer then Black Archer. That's right... that Hawkeye debuted during the time when Clint was busy playing Goliath. Nice bit of history there, goldenfist! *Exalts*
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Post by scottharris on Nov 7, 2007 21:43:57 GMT -5
I see a lame attempt at explaining Clint's sword skills by saying he was trained by the Swordmaster. However, Swordy used a broadsword which a different weapon and uses a completely different style than Katanas. Hmmmm . . . Perhaps if Swordmaster is truly master of the sword, he knows all sorts of swords and how to use them -- including Katana. And maybe Clint saw an episode of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and thought "Man, I would love to learn how to use a Katana just as good as Leonardo" and went to Swordmaster about it. How's that? Do I get the No-Prize? I don't read New Avengers, so I don't know if this is the actual explanation from Bendis. However, Swordsman didn't train Hawkeye. Back in the day, someone had a good question: how could a master swordsman teach someone to become the greatest archer of all time? The answer, in Solo Avengers #1, is that he couldn't; it was Swordsman's partner Trickshot who trained Hawkeye. Anyway, if I was the writer, my answer would be: he isn't an expert in katanas. But after a decade of training with Cap and Mockingbird, using all sorts of weapons and stuff, he's good at a wide variety of combat skills, and athletic and strong enough to just fake it with the katanas.
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Post by goldenfist on Nov 7, 2007 23:21:51 GMT -5
Hawkeye was created to be Marvel's answer to DC's Green Arrow if anyone ever read the JLA/Avengers series those two did get at eachother's throats.
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Post by dave74 on Dec 14, 2007 17:09:41 GMT -5
The team should be disbanded, the Bendis era purged from the annals of Marvel. Garbage in, garbage OUT! It could all be fixed by using
The Cosmic CUBE!!!!! LOL.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Dec 14, 2007 18:00:05 GMT -5
Welcome aboard, dave74! Nice to have another Dave around...!
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Post by goldenfist on Dec 15, 2007 9:46:12 GMT -5
They are not going disband and Marvel is going to keep it that way.
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Post by starfoxxx on Dec 20, 2007 15:42:36 GMT -5
Wolverine should never be an official Avenger. Spider-man should be an Honorary member, since he has showed up to help the team many, many times. Plus he lives in New York, so they're going to run into him. Personally, I have had my fill of both Wolvie and VENOM, so please exclude them from all Avengers titles. and also the Sentry.
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Post by Black Knight on Dec 20, 2007 16:18:13 GMT -5
They are not going disband and Marvel is going to keep it that way. Yep they will keep it that way, until sales drop, and then they will go retro, and bring back a classic team. This is just a better hyped version of what they tried with Heroes Reborn. Bendis's Secret Defenders will not last past Joe Q and Bendis.
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Post by goldenfist on Dec 21, 2007 13:26:37 GMT -5
I'm sure you haven't heard that Joe.Q was asked a question a comiccon he was asked will Spiderman ever leave the New Aveng ers and Joe said NO.
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Post by Black Knight on Dec 26, 2007 8:41:54 GMT -5
I heard that, you have said it many, many times. And we all know Joe Q never says anything and then change his mind. LOL
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