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Post by scribbler357 on Jul 21, 2007 21:57:31 GMT -5
This is bound to come about eventually, so why not get the speculation started?
Although it's been hinted that Skrulls have taken prominent positions in the Marvel Universe (heroes, politicians, etc.), what if they also have a hand in the SHRA?
Miriam Sharpe would be my choice as a possible Skrull due to her involvement with the SHRA and close contact with Tony Stark throughout the process.
What do you think?
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Post by redstatecap on Jul 21, 2007 23:44:31 GMT -5
I think that any character that did something inconvenient or was portrayed out-of-character in the last 4 years has a good chance of being a Skrull.
RSC
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Post by Doctor Doom on Jul 22, 2007 5:34:03 GMT -5
They already said she wasn't because
A) It would have made NO sense and B) Bendis said that would have been ridiculous, to mess with Mark Millar's story.
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Post by redstatecap on Jul 22, 2007 9:35:17 GMT -5
And a sudden Skrull invasion makes sense?
RSC
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Post by balok on Jul 22, 2007 17:51:11 GMT -5
Oh, please, let's mess with Mark Millar's story. They can all be Skrulls as far as I'm concerned if that's what it takes to retcon Civil War away.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Aug 2, 2007 21:10:23 GMT -5
I think that any character that did something inconvenient or was portrayed out-of-character in the last 4 years has a good chance of being a Skrull. RSC It does create a very useful plot device. If the fans didn't like this,... let's make that character a skrull.
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Post by thew40 on Aug 11, 2007 23:32:38 GMT -5
And a sudden Skrull invasion makes sense? RSC About as much sense as a radioactive spider giving a teenager super-powers. Or . . . put another way, it makes more sense than you posting here in a thread about a story you clearly don't care about. Just go with it dude, and if you don't like it, stop complaining. We already know how you feel. Is it possible to actually discuss a current story without you coming in and bitching? ~W~
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Post by Doctor Doom on Aug 12, 2007 4:41:15 GMT -5
Is it possible to actually discuss a current story without you coming in and bitching? ~W~ HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAA aaah... Have you not been paying attention in this last year? Of COURSE it's not possible!
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Post by uberwolf on Aug 12, 2007 9:34:58 GMT -5
Is it possible to actually discuss a current story without you coming in and bitching? ~W~ That's what this whole forum is about isn't it?? If I can't can't come in a pregnant dog about Marvel... then there's no point in me being here anymore. You're supposed to respect your elders... and that's what elders do, pregnant dog about everything! But yeah Doom, that was d**n funny! Eh heheh heheh! Exalts to D00M and W...... just cause.
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Post by uberwolf on Aug 12, 2007 9:37:44 GMT -5
Oh silly me. I forget you have to wait between exalts. Memory... first thing to go you know. Well since D00M is up to 115 I gave W the first X. In fact D00M really doesn't need more does he?
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Post by uberwolf on Aug 12, 2007 9:38:36 GMT -5
LoL. Love the edit program. If there's one thing I love to do it's pregnant dog. Eh heh heh
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Post by balok on Aug 12, 2007 9:40:57 GMT -5
Is it possible to actually discuss a current story without you coming in and bitching? So, the new rule is, people have to agree with you that Marvel is always right in order to post here? Got it. Won't be able to adhere to it, but good to know, I guess...
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Post by thew40 on Aug 12, 2007 9:59:35 GMT -5
Is it possible to actually discuss a current story without you coming in and bitching? So, the new rule is, people have to agree with you that Marvel is always right in order to post here? Got it. Won't be able to adhere to it, but good to know, I guess... Not the point I was trying to make. It would just be nice to have a discussion about a story that doesn't have you or RSC or whoever else coming in and telling us for the 5,000th time that you don't like the story. I'd like to discuss the story, not whether or not some of you old farts like it or not. ~W~
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Post by redstatecap on Aug 12, 2007 11:56:42 GMT -5
About as much sense as a radioactive spider giving a teenager super-powers. Or . . . put another way, it makes more sense than you posting here in a thread about a story you clearly don't care about. Just go with it dude, and if you don't like it, stop complaining. We already know how you feel. Is it possible to actually discuss a current story without you coming in and bitching? ~W~ Yeah, the standard fanboy "reasoning" that you can only talk about a story if you have something positive to say about it. Sorry, but I don't subscribe to that as you well know. If you can gush for the 5,000th time that you love what Marvel is doing, then I can post for the 5,000th time that I hate what Marvel is doing. This forum does not exist soley to reinforce your personal tastes. This is an absolutely craptastic idea for a "big event." If you like it, that's your business. I think it's moronic and right in keeping with the rest of Bendis' moronic ideas. RSC
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Post by spiderwasp on Aug 12, 2007 12:53:12 GMT -5
Is it possible to actually discuss a current story without you coming in and bitching? So, the new rule is, people have to agree with you that Marvel is always right in order to post here? Got it. Won't be able to adhere to it, but good to know, I guess... Actually it's not a new rule at all. W has been trying to enforce this rule for a long time. He's sort of backed off for a few months but during Civil War it drove him insane that people couldn't agree with him and that they insisted on having the audacity to do so in a public forum. He's never been able to understand the concept of debate.
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Post by thew40 on Aug 12, 2007 14:01:40 GMT -5
You're putting words in my mouth.
THIS is why I haven't been on here very often. I'm just sick of it.
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Post by spiderwasp on Aug 12, 2007 16:58:17 GMT -5
And a sudden Skrull invasion makes sense? RSC About as much sense as a radioactive spider giving a teenager super-powers. Or . . . put another way, it makes more sense than you posting here in a thread about a story you clearly don't care about. Just go with it dude, and if you don't like it, stop complaining. We already know how you feel. Is it possible to actually discuss a current story without you coming in and bitching? ~W~ Reread the post which prompted your response and then reread your response. Seriously, you don't think that comes across that you are trying to tell people not to post things that don't agree with you. You then followed that up by referring to the other people who post on here as "Old farts" and then you wonder why people seem to gang up on you. It has nothing to do with the fact that you have a different opinion than us. It has everything to do with your lack of respect for our different opinion. Doom won't believe I'm saying this, but I think you need to learn from him. He often (really often) disagrees with most of us but he doesn't try to tell us to stop talking. Instead, he tries to convince of us his way of thinking. Sometimes, you can tell he's getting really frustrated when he's not getting through but that works in reverse as well. At any rate, that's the point of the boards. I am not really saying that I don't want you to post here, however, the last couple of months have been much more peaceful and there have been few of these discussions. The discussions have been much more about the books, which makes me point out that RSCs response was ABOUT the book. It's great having people on here that disagree with the majority because that really keeps the discussions interesting but if you really want to see discussions about the books, look at what happened when YOU weren't bitching.
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Post by balok on Aug 12, 2007 17:25:48 GMT -5
Not the point I was trying to make. It would just be nice to have a discussion about a story that doesn't have you or RSC or whoever else coming in and telling us for the 5,000th time that you don't like the story. Well, first of all, the emoticon was a clue that you were to take the post tongue-in-cheek. However... I'd like to discuss the story, not whether or not some of you old farts like it or not. ... us old farts are as entitled to our opinions as are you young naifs. We're also as entitled to be here on this board as you are. Finally, when I say I don't like something, that IS a discussion of the story and a valid opinion. The fact that you happen to disagree does not invalidate my opinion nor remove my right to express it.
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Post by redstatecap on Aug 13, 2007 0:09:30 GMT -5
You're putting words in my mouth. THIS is why I haven't been on here very often. I'm just sick of it. OK...that feeling you have that you are sick of hearing negativity about stories you enjoy? That's pretty much the same sickness I experience at seeing "old Marvel" torn down and thrown in the trash can by these stories. And the same sickness I experience in hearing from people who like seeing the old Marvel torn down and thrown in the trash can. RSC
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Post by Shiryu on Aug 13, 2007 17:40:45 GMT -5
Right, I'm closing this thread for a day. It's heavily off-topic from the starting question, and rather hot at the moment. Everyone try to cool down and resume a nicer conversation when I open it again.
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Post by Shiryu on Aug 14, 2007 16:30:17 GMT -5
I have unlocked the topic, with the hope that things are cooler now. On both sides, try to stay in topic, and especially to avoid the personal attacks / criticism. If someone writes something you don't like, just ignore it. We are not here to score points and no one is likely going to change his mind on the current direction of Marvel.
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Post by Alchemist-X on Aug 19, 2007 14:31:22 GMT -5
The safest bet at this point would probably be Mary Jane (Based on managements goals, not any underlying plot points)
As for plot point Skrulls, Luke Cage seems like a good candidate. I mean Why would Cage take the mantle of leadership, why has he had some personality changes from his original version, why is he starting almost a witch hunt on his own team, and why is his Kid a Skrull?
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Post by balok on Aug 19, 2007 15:13:21 GMT -5
When it starts falling out, if they want the same kind of shocking realism they've sought until now, the number of actual Skrull infiltrators will be few but potent, and the originals will be dead. They could clean house and get rid of any number of characters Quesada doesn't like. Mary Jane would be an excellent choice, from that perspective.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Aug 19, 2007 15:51:53 GMT -5
There's not the slightest hope in HELL of it being Mary-Jane. Not with her marriage about to be wiped from existence and Skrulls not being mentioned outside the Avengers titles until 2008. Quesada's always said killing her is worse than having her married.
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Post by balok on Aug 19, 2007 16:16:46 GMT -5
I don't WANT it to be Mary Jane - I'm simply pointing out that it would be easy for Marvel to kill her this way, which is what Quesada is said to want.
Judging by sales, Quesada is doing what people want to read. I'll bet he could have Norman Osborn rape and murder her, and his fanboys would forgive him. Death and misery sells books these days. It's what the new generation seems to want to read.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Aug 19, 2007 16:43:11 GMT -5
Quesada has repeatedly said that killing MJ is the second worst thing they could do with her, the worst being divorce her.
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Post by uberwolf on Aug 19, 2007 19:41:47 GMT -5
The safest bet at this point would probably be Mary Jane (Based on managements goals, not any underlying plot points) As for plot point Skrulls, Luke Cage seems like a good candidate. I mean Why would Cage take the mantle of leadership, why has he had some personality changes from his original version, why is he starting almost a witch hunt on his own team, and why is his Kid a Skrull? I agree.. when was the last time Luke yelled "Christmas!"
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Post by balok on Aug 20, 2007 9:09:23 GMT -5
Quesada has repeatedly said that killing MJ is the second worst thing they could do with her, the worst being divorce her. He's screwed over all his superpowered characters, turning them into government goons, and the fanboys are eating it up. I'll bet he's wrong. I'll bet they wouldn't mind a bit if something bad happened to her. Words like "edgy", "epic", and "dynamic storytelling" would flow on the pages of Wizard and over the Internet. Because, judging by sales, that's what the younger audience wants: suffering, hero vs. hero conflict and heroes with such serious flaws it's hard to tell them from their enemies some days. How does murdering MJ not dovetail nicely into that worldview? I think Joe should try it. If it backfires I'm sure he could figure a way to bring her back. Perhaps after Spider-Man has found someone else, for even more soul torturing angst!
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Post by Doctor Doom on Aug 21, 2007 5:09:19 GMT -5
Ignoring all the sarcasm and misinterpretation riddling your post, Balok, you're missing the point. Quesada doesn't want to get rid of the character of Mary Jane, hence that it's incredibly likely she'll still be a major cast member after One More Day. He wants to annul the marriage, not get rid of a great character.
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Post by balok on Aug 21, 2007 9:32:46 GMT -5
What am I misinterpreting? He's turned 616 into a much darker place, where heroes like Iron Man suddenly have feet of clay, where heroes fight heroes instead of villains, where the government installs villains as heroes (T-Bolts) and John Q. Public eats it up, where the government hires villains to track down and beat heroes, where vile people (like Gyrich) have important policy roles, and where bad things happen to heroes all the time. And sales are through the roof. Clearly, it's what the modern comic book reader wants, as demonstrated by those sales. And to keep those sales high, it's what Marvel will give them. I contend that murdering Mary Jane fits right into what the buying public wants. Her death might not sell as many books as Cap's death sold, but it'll sell some, no mistake about it. Plus, it leaves Peter *completely alone* which sets the stage for him to shed all his idealism and become more like the Punisher, a character I'm surprised hasn't been tapped to replace Gauntlet over at Camp Hammond.
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