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Post by Black Knight on Apr 4, 2007 13:49:44 GMT -5
Though I fully expect him to be writing the 2007 'big summer crossover'.) Isn't that "World War Hulk"? Right. Bendis... and Millar, JMS, Whedon, Loeb, etc. "Civil War" was developed was at a Marvel creator summit with all the "big shot" writers present. Also, I have said many times, that if in they hand taken all the charaters from NA in the beginning, except for Cap and Iron Man, and gave Bendis a book called Marvel Knight (or whatever), and then let someone like Peter David or Joe Casey write the Avengers book. Then everyone could have been happy. Except for Marvel, which would have lost one of it's biggest selling books of the last few years. And of course the Avengers franchise "New Avengers" started goes out the window too. Obviously you never read the interviews, which stated that the majority of the ideas regarding CW were from Bendis, and when he refused to write it, it was given to Millar. Also, you have no idea how well the Avengers or the Marvel Knights title would have sold. That statement is pointless.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 4, 2007 15:43:42 GMT -5
Er... that's RIDICULOUS, black Knight.
Bendis did NOT decline to write it- in fact, he WANTED TO. He was overruled and Millar ended up doing so.
Nor did he provide most of the ideas since I already listed the biggest ones and NONE of them were Bendis: -Arresting Cap -Making Tony SHIELD Director -Unmasking Spider-Man -Creating the New Thunderbolts -The Fifty States Initiative.
ALL Millar, except the Unmasking which was Brevoort.
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Post by Black Knight on Apr 4, 2007 15:48:29 GMT -5
What articles have you been reading Doom. Seriously I want to know where you are getting your information?
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 4, 2007 16:12:58 GMT -5
Well let's take the obvious one. I assume we can agree Tom B decided to unmask Spider-Man since that's just about everywhere from Wizard to his blog. For THe Initiative and Thunderbolts: SOURCE: forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=86724As for Cap's arrest- well, that's obvious. Joss Whedon came up with the notion he should surrender, Millar took it from there. As for Tony Stark: Director of SHIELD, I'll seek the interview in question.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 4, 2007 20:41:01 GMT -5
So, Doom,... exactly how much does being Bendis' PR guy pay?
j/k (looks around to see how far away the nearest wall is)
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Post by The Night Phantom on Apr 4, 2007 20:45:31 GMT -5
As long as you pretend it's not Avengers, it's okay! A reader’s “willing suspension of disbelief” is classically part of the contract between reader and writer. For a writer to require a reader’s “willing suspension of belief” is probably one of the signs of the Apocalypse.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 4, 2007 20:47:49 GMT -5
isn't that the sign that comes right after 'Sanjaya wins American Idol'?
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Post by bendiszombie on Apr 4, 2007 22:18:04 GMT -5
Obviously you never read the interviews, which stated that the majority of the ideas regarding CW were from Bendis, and when he refused to write it, it was given to Millar. I think I read the same interviews as you. This is from a Newsarama interview ( www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CivilWar/millar_final.html) with Millar about the genesis of "Civil War": Also, you have no idea how well the Avengers or the Marvel Knights title would have sold. That statement is pointless. Well, sure. But you also can't know that "everyone could have been happy" if Marvel had called "New Avengers" something else and continued publishing a more traditional Avengers book in it's place. However, I could probably at least make a good argument that changing any one aspect of NA's formula - major brand name (Avengers), plus major characters (Spidey & Wolvie), plus major writer (Bendis) - would have hindered the book's success.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 5, 2007 4:23:51 GMT -5
Bendiszombie, that proves my point. As I said before, Bendis got the initial idea which became civil war, but most of the major ideas etc during it were all Millar. As was leaving out the X-Men btw!
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 9, 2007 4:40:10 GMT -5
I'm considering changing my name to 'Bendisninja"...
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Post by Black Knight on Apr 9, 2007 8:33:31 GMT -5
Er... that's RIDICULOUS, black Knight. Bendis did NOT decline to write it- in fact, he WANTED TO. He was overruled and Millar ended up doing so. Nor did he provide most of the ideas since I already listed the biggest ones and NONE of them were Bendis: -Arresting Cap -Making Tony SHIELD Director -Unmasking Spider-Man -Creating the New Thunderbolts -The Fifty States Initiative. ALL Millar, except the Unmasking which was Brevoort. Then I guess he was lieing in his interview when he said he declined to write it because he didn't have the time. Yep that must be it. LOL
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 9, 2007 8:38:53 GMT -5
Then I guess he was lieing in his interview when he said he declined to write it because he didn't have the time. Yep that must be it. LOL I'll save Doom the time, Black Knight, he's gonna want to see a source.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 9, 2007 9:23:28 GMT -5
Actually I was going to sayt hat's interesting because we have yet another time where Millar and Bendis both give conflicting accounts as I have a source which clearly states Bendis wanted to but Millar's ideas were coming so thick and fast Bendis had to cave in and let Millar write it.
Bendis is famed for taking a little more credit than he deserves- Hell, in wizard magazine he claimed credit for having Brubaker write Daredevil!
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Post by Black Knight on Apr 9, 2007 13:27:56 GMT -5
Then I guess he was lieing in his interview when he said he declined to write it because he didn't have the time. Yep that must be it. LOL I'll save Doom the time, Black Knight, he's gonna want to see a source. Yes I would love to see a source, I have asked doom for one through this whole thread. THanks Also, go look up mine on Newsarama... I am not going digging in there 100's of articles.
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Post by Black Knight on Apr 9, 2007 13:29:21 GMT -5
Well let's take the obvious one. I assume we can agree Tom B decided to unmask Spider-Man since that's just about everywhere from Wizard to his blog. For THe Initiative and Thunderbolts: SOURCE: forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=86724As for Cap's arrest- well, that's obvious. Joss Whedon came up with the notion he should surrender, Millar took it from there. As for Tony Stark: Director of SHIELD, I'll seek the interview in question. Never disagreed that Tom B. thought the idea that unmasking spiderman was good. Of course bendis did that over and over in USM.. But yes it was Tom B. idea for 616.
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Post by Black Knight on Apr 9, 2007 13:30:56 GMT -5
Actually I was going to sayt hat's interesting because we have yet another time where Millar and Bendis both give conflicting accounts as I have a source which clearly states Bendis wanted to but Millar's ideas were coming so thick and fast Bendis had to cave in and let Millar write it. Bendis is famed for taking a little more credit than he deserves- Hell, in wizard magazine he claimed credit for having Brubaker write Daredevil! Doom, I must have missed you posting that source, could you kindly repost it. THank you
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 9, 2007 13:39:17 GMT -5
I assume, BK, that you weren't trying to assert that Bendis wa sindirectly responsible? Ultimate Spidey's many unmaskings were not remotely like the one in CW, and they were also far from the first- obviously Aunt May and MJ found a good while ago about Peter! If anything, it could again be a MILLAR idea that inspoired it, since in Millar's MK: Spider-Man Scorpion actually says, rather ironically, "Why don't you just go on television and tell everyone your secret identity?"
As for my other source, I'll get right on it! Post your own in the mean time. Wouldn't be the first time though- people seem to have flexible memories, hence no-one really sure what exactly happened regarding the death of CAp
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Post by Black Knight on Apr 9, 2007 15:21:14 GMT -5
I was not talking about the death of Cap, I read an interview where brubaker said that he took what was coming from CW, and thought this would make his story more powerful. I fully believe it was brubaker's idea regarding Cap, and never said any different.
Look, doom I am tired of this pointless arguement of "he said, she said". CW happened, you love it, I think it is ok. We move on.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 9, 2007 17:12:52 GMT -5
Sure, no problem. But I wasn't arguing about the death of Cap I'm pointing out how we don't always remember exactly- Mark Millar remembered the Death of Cap discussion one way, Ed Brubaker another, Joe Q another, Tom Brevoort another.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 9, 2007 17:25:09 GMT -5
Sure, no problem. But I wasn't arguing about the death of Cap I'm pointing out how we don't always remember exactly- Mark Millar remembered the Death of Cap discussion one way, Ed Brubaker another, Joe Q another, Tom Brevoort another. How... convenient...! Hmmmmmmm......... Seems like plausible deniability to me...! ;D
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 9, 2007 17:31:18 GMT -5
Yes, well it would. Note that I'm at a landmark. T The learner has become the master. I have exceeded ua2's post count Still, it's the qualityo f the post that matters od friend, not the quantity and in that respect most of this forum has tihngs to learn from you!
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Post by Black Knight on Apr 10, 2007 8:19:12 GMT -5
Sure, no problem. But I wasn't arguing about the death of Cap I'm pointing out how we don't always remember exactly- Mark Millar remembered the Death of Cap discussion one way, Ed Brubaker another, Joe Q another, Tom Brevoort another. WOW.. Sorry that was nothing against you, but after dealing with people on other forums that would just keep attacking and at this point would turn to insulting me, it is such a breath of fresh air to talk to someone, that can have a civil conversation. Thanks
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Post by dlw66 on Apr 10, 2007 8:59:43 GMT -5
WOW.. Sorry that was nothing against you, but after dealing with people on other forums that would just keep attacking and at this point would turn to insulting me, it is such a breath of fresh air to talk to someone, that can have a civil conversation. Thanks Man, you must be thinking of the other Vickie von Doom
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 10, 2007 16:20:37 GMT -5
WOW.. Sorry that was nothing against you, but after dealing with people on other forums that would just keep attacking and at this point would turn to insulting me, it is such a breath of fresh air to talk to someone, that can have a civil conversation. Thanks Did he just call Doom civil? Oh goodness I think hell just froze up as well
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Post by balok on Apr 10, 2007 17:16:33 GMT -5
The learner has become the master. Only a master of evil, Darth! Oh, c'mon!! You KNOW I'm not the only one who thought it!
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Post by Black Knight on Apr 12, 2007 15:17:00 GMT -5
WOW.. Sorry that was nothing against you, but after dealing with people on other forums that would just keep attacking and at this point would turn to insulting me, it is such a breath of fresh air to talk to someone, that can have a civil conversation. Thanks Did he just call Doom civil? Oh goodness I think hell just froze up as well Obviously you have not meant some of the people out there on the web. They make the mighty Doom, seem like a very nice old man.
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