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Post by spiderwasp on Jan 18, 2007 10:46:28 GMT -5
Maybe we need another monthly called "The Real Avengers" which we shall henceforth refer to as "RA". Members might include Captain America, Thor, Vision, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Hawkeye, and Black Panther. Occasionally they might FIGHT against Kang, Ultron, Zodiac, the Collector, and some incarnation of the Masters of Evil. Writers might include guys who give a crap, like Joe Casey. Artists might include anyone who can accurately depict human anatomy, albeit from a body-builder perspective. Stories would have no limit -- we'd have nice 4-5 issue arcs as well as one-and-dones. Creativity would be for creativity's sake, not some prescribed length or format. Finally, letters pages and message boards would light up with the adulation of 30-50 year olds everywhere, praising the Marvel gods for returning the formerly hijacked, beloved Avengers of yore. Yeah... Wait a minute. You're suggesting an Avengers book wherupon someone can easily identify the team as Avengers just by looking at them. You mean you would use tried and true characters that established fans care about without working in a mix of characters that no one cares about (ie Sentry, Ares). Oy, that's a wild idea. The next thing you know you'll be suggesting that every character have their on personality or that situations evolve from Marvel history. Why, to do that, Joey Q might have to hire another writer besides Bendis. I just don't know where you kids get these crazy ideas. Seriously, as much as I've stuck with the book so far out of loyalty to my favorite characters, I'm oddly noticing that none of them will be present in NA so I may have to finally acknowledge that there is nothing left to be optimistic about and no one left to be loyal to. It's not looking good for my continuing to buy.
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Post by thew40 on Jan 18, 2007 16:22:39 GMT -5
With this kind of team, I can the New Avengers handling smaller, more street-level (such as the Wrecking Crew) while the Mighty Avengers will take on the bigger threats such as Ultron and maybe Kang. Or maybe they'll stand around talking like the NA did for most of the 26 issues prior. ;D RSC Ah, but you see, I like Bendis' dialogue. It's very Sorkin-esque. So, I'd be fine with that. ~W~
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Post by Black Knight on Jan 18, 2007 16:29:24 GMT -5
I am sorry sorkin-esque?
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Post by thew40 on Jan 18, 2007 17:13:13 GMT -5
Aaron Sorkin, creator of Sports Night, The West Wing, and Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip. ~W~
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Post by The Night Phantom on Jan 18, 2007 19:05:00 GMT -5
It’s confirmed. The final member of the new New lineup is… Spider-ManSo, to recap: The new membership is: - Cage (team leader)
- Doctor Strange
- Echo
- Iron Fist
- Ronin (identity unrevealed)
- Spider-Man
- Spider-Woman
- Wolverine
Now, all that’s left is to change the title to Marvel Knights Avengers…
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Post by thew40 on Jan 18, 2007 19:40:38 GMT -5
Now, all that’s left is to change the title to Marvel Knights Avengers… I'm not sure if that's sarcasm or not, but I think that's a pretty good idea. Perhaps with the whole "50 State Initative" we'll see more specific Avengers teams, like how I mentioned before with the more "big threats" and "lower level threats" thought. ~W~
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Post by The Night Phantom on Jan 18, 2007 20:08:06 GMT -5
Now, all that’s left is to change the title to Marvel Knights Avengers… I'm not sure if that's sarcasm or not, but I think that's a pretty good idea. It’s sarcasm. Yeah. During the reorganization, we should definitely get a team of Avengers suitable for handling the types of menaces that are easily distracted by Hostess snacks. (If you don’t get that one, don’t worry. It’s from long before the late 1990s.)
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Post by The Night Phantom on Jan 18, 2007 20:23:35 GMT -5
Yeah. During the reorganization, we should definitely get a team of Avengers suitable for handling the types of menaces that are easily distracted by Hostess snacks. (If you don’t get that one, don’t worry. It’s from long before the late 1990s.) For those desiring the edification or wishing to relive the glory, here’s a nifty page with links to samples of what I was talking about.
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Post by redstatecap on Jan 18, 2007 20:45:56 GMT -5
Hey! That page doesn't include Spider-Man vs. Madame Web.
RSC
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Post by uberwolf on Jan 18, 2007 20:53:30 GMT -5
Hey! That page doesn't include Spider-Man vs. Madame Web. RSC Any relation to Madam MacEvil? Eh heh heh. I love that name. I need to find a way to work it into every post.
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Post by thew40 on Jan 18, 2007 22:30:50 GMT -5
During the reorganization, we should definitely get a team of Avengers suitable for handling the types of menaces that are easily distracted by Hostess snacks. Blob? ;D I have plenty of backissues. I get it. ~W~
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Post by dlw66 on Jan 18, 2007 22:44:14 GMT -5
Suddenly the Great Lakes Avengers is seeming like a good alternative...
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Post by Van Plexico on Jan 19, 2007 1:41:57 GMT -5
With Cho doing the art, I thought the purpose of MIGHTY AVENGERS was "big breasts" and "lower level breasts"....
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Post by Black Knight on Jan 19, 2007 8:43:23 GMT -5
Aaron Sorkin, creator of Sports Night, The West Wing, and Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip. ~W~ Ahhh, didn't know that. I see Bendis's dialoge as more OC, and 90210. To me it reads like a bunch of teenagers dressed as superheros.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Jan 19, 2007 8:55:28 GMT -5
As a colossal West Wing fan, I don't agree that Bendis' dialogue is Sorkin-esque. Yes, there is banter and whatnot in Sorkin but for one thing Jed Bartlet has never once said "Oy" Seriously though, as I think I've made clear before- I have no major problems with Bendis' writing style itself, but I don't think it's Sorkin-esque- more, as someone said, the OC. Whether you like Millar or not, fellow Assemblers, he gave us our greatest chance in 2 years and Bendis RUINED it. Millar set up perfectly for an Avengers team with Falcon, with Hercules, even old Busiek-vengers like Firebird and Triathlon etc- plus Cap himself. Millar laid all the groundwork for a real Avengers team in NA. And Bendis ignored it and re-assembled his old team except this time with a few more favourites in there! Honestly? Bendis has gotten me to do something I never thought I would. Yes, fellow Assemblers. I, one of those who has consistently defended Marvel, may give up NA. Because I was buying it for Cap and Tony, and now we have neither. I despise Ronin and doubt it will be Cap with LUKE FREAKING CAGE leading the team. So I'll pick up one issue, maybe two, because Doc Strange, Iron Fist, Spidey- I like these characters. But then I may actual;ly drop it. I will still get MA though, Ultronia or no. Honestly, I think it's a bit silly to complain about the MA roster. I think someone complained that there were only 4 classic Avengers- but to be fair, 4 out of 7 isn't bad, and Black Widow has some history with the Avengers. Honestly, I think that's a fair number. Compare it to New Avengers where we have- and this is if we're VERY, VERY generous and count Spidey as an old Avenger even though he was a footnote and a reservist, we have 1 out of 8. That just sucks.
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Post by Black Knight on Jan 19, 2007 9:23:40 GMT -5
As a colossal West Wing fan, I don't agree that Bendis' dialogue is Sorkin-esque. Yes, there is banter and whatnot in Sorkin but for one thing Jed Bartlet has never once said "Oy" Seriously though, as I think I've made clear before- I have no major problems with Bendis' writing style itself, but I don't think it's Sorkin-esque- more, as someone said, the OC. Whether you like Millar or not, fellow Assemblers, he gave us our greatest chance in 2 years and Bendis RUINED it. Millar set up perfectly for an Avengers team with Falcon, with Hercules, even old Busiek-vengers like Firebird and Triathlon etc- plus Cap himself. Millar laid all the groundwork for a real Avengers team in NA. And Bendis ignored it and re-assembled his old team except this time with a few more favourites in there! Honestly? Bendis has gotten me to do something I never thought I would. Yes, fellow Assemblers. I, one of those who has consistently defended Marvel, may give up NA. Because I was buying it for Cap and Tony, and now we have neither. I despise Ronin and doubt it will be Cap with LUKE FREAKING CAGE leading the team. So I'll pick up one issue, maybe two, because Doc Strange, Iron Fist, Spidey- I like these characters. But then I may actual;ly drop it. I will still get MA though, Ultronia or no. Honestly, I think it's a bit silly to complain about the MA roster. I think someone complained that there were only 4 classic Avengers- but to be fair, 4 out of 7 isn't bad, and Black Widow has some history with the Avengers. Honestly, I think that's a fair number. Compare it to New Avengers where we have- and this is if we're VERY, VERY generous and count Spidey as an old Avenger even though he was a footnote and a reservist, we have 1 out of 8. That just sucks. Welcome to the ranks Doom. As for MA, I don't complain about the roster, actually I don't mind that roster at all and will give the comic a chance, but if it is writen as poorly as NA was (to me) then it will go the way of the do-do as well.
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Post by dlw66 on Jan 19, 2007 9:47:27 GMT -5
I was the one with the 4 out of 12 (14, whatever) report. And that's how I stated it -- out of the two teams, there were only four classic members. I'll give you Black Widow -- an original oversight on my part. But overall, the Avengers teams are lacking.
And since when did Widow start carrying all of those freaking guns?
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BigDuke
Reservist Avenger
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Post by BigDuke on Jan 19, 2007 12:01:32 GMT -5
Preach it, Doug!!!!!!
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Post by Doctor Doom on Jan 19, 2007 12:31:58 GMT -5
Also interesting how Wonder Man not only forgets how to fly.... he forgets how to fly between the climatic battle of civil war and the opening of MA. Like a month later or something. :\
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Post by dlw66 on Jan 19, 2007 12:49:56 GMT -5
Can someone clue me in as to how Simon got back his body? From what I recall from Vol. III, he was pretty much an ionic force. I guess I remember that he could take a human form (weren't he and Wanda "getting it on"?), but overall, I just remember his energy form.
Sucks getting old. I have to look this stuff up when I want to know something!!! I envy you guys (and gal) with the steel traps for minds!
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Post by Shiryu on Jan 19, 2007 17:45:08 GMT -5
As far as I know, that was never explained. Simon was just depicted with a normal body in Disassembled, HoM and beyond. Going back to the new roster, I, for one, am happy with it. Except for Spidey, I don't care for any of these characters, so I don't mind if they are not used properly, and there is no Cap or Thor that could be misused. In a while, NA will probably change name and Mighty Avengers will be the only Avengers book. In fact, it's MA I'm most worried for now...
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Post by The Night Phantom on Jan 19, 2007 17:47:41 GMT -5
Can someone clue me in as to how Simon got back his body? From what I recall from Vol. III, he was pretty much an ionic force. I guess I remember that he could take a human form (weren't he and Wanda "getting it on"?), but overall, I just remember his energy form. In #10, the Grim Reaper opened the door between life and death and resurrected a crew of dead Avengers, including Simon, whom Wanda had been able to temporarily summon over the last several issues. In #11, she marshalled her love and her chaos-magick to return him to the land of the living permanently. (The Reaper and the other revenant Avengers returned to the other side.)
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Post by spiderwasp on Jan 19, 2007 18:12:38 GMT -5
Can someone clue me in as to how Simon got back his body? From what I recall from Vol. III, he was pretty much an ionic force. I guess I remember that he could take a human form (weren't he and Wanda "getting it on"?), but overall, I just remember his energy form. In #10, the Grim Reaper opened the door between life and death and resurrected a crew of dead Avengers, including Simon, whom Wanda had been able to temporarily summon over the last several issues. In #11, she marshalled her love and her chaos-magick to return him to the land of the living permanently. (The Reaper and the other revenant Avengers returned to the other side.) That was how Simon initially got the energy form. I think the question was about how he went from that form to his current which appears to be a normal body. That was never explained. Maybe Wanda pulled a Franklin Richards. When he returned everyone from his alternate world after "Heroes Reborn",Tony Stark was no longer a teenager and Jan was no longer an insect. He simply put them back the way he remembered them. Otherwise, current artists just haven't felt like drawing him that way and the writers were just too lazy to explain (Nah, it couldn't be that.)
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Post by The Night Phantom on Jan 19, 2007 18:31:33 GMT -5
In #10, the Grim Reaper opened the door between life and death and resurrected a crew of dead Avengers, including Simon, whom Wanda had been able to temporarily summon over the last several issues. In #11, she marshalled her love and her chaos-magick to return him to the land of the living permanently. (The Reaper and the other revenant Avengers returned to the other side.) That was how Simon initially got the energy form. I think the question was about how he went from that form to his current which appears to be a normal body. That was never explained. Maybe Wanda pulled a Franklin Richards. When he returned everyone from his alternate world after "Heroes Reborn",Tony Stark was no longer a teenager and Jan was no longer an insect. He simply put them back the way he remembered them. Otherwise, current artists just haven't felt like drawing him that way and the writers were just too lazy to explain (Nah, it couldn't be that.) In earlier issues of volume 3, Wanda is able to temporarily summon Simon’s energy form; but at the end of #11, he appears to be regular flesh and blood, except for those funky red eyes.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Jan 19, 2007 18:46:07 GMT -5
For what it’s worth, Newsarama now has the epilogue to its introduction to the new New lineup, featuring a Q&A with Bendis. It looks fairly informative—a couple of portions even show spoiler warnings—and Bendis makes this startling claim: “I will say that Ronin's reveal is relatively soon. I'm not going to drag it out. Even I have my limits.”
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fatbob
Force Works-er
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Post by fatbob on Jan 19, 2007 19:19:53 GMT -5
From Newsarama _Bendis-"The characters dive right back into that main story, some of them not even realizing they’re diving right back into the story, but what they (and readers) want to know, they will find out, and it will set up an entire new agenda for the book about who they are fighting, why they’re fighting, and what the people they’re fighting against want. " Is it just me, or is this just s**t??
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daned
Probationary Avenger
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Post by daned on Jan 19, 2007 21:05:58 GMT -5
Is there anyone else thinking that the reason Bendis can't write dialogue well, is that he can't speak well?
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Post by redstatecap on Jan 19, 2007 22:18:58 GMT -5
"The characters dive right back into that main story, some of them not even realizing they’re diving right back into the story, but what they (and readers) want to know, they will find out, and it will set up an entire new agenda for the book about who they are fighting, why they’re fighting, and what the people they’re fighting against want. " Can someone translate? RSC
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Post by thew40 on Jan 19, 2007 23:04:32 GMT -5
New interview with Bendis. I like what he has to say, but I'm sure the rest of you will only find the negative. www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/newavengers/meet_the_new.htmlI really, seriously think that when he run is over, and time has passed for the story to be seen as one large work, it'll read better. ~W~
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Post by dlw66 on Jan 20, 2007 0:13:07 GMT -5
Time passed, like when I'm long since departed from this earth...
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