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Post by Tana Nile on Oct 27, 2006 17:51:08 GMT -5
Like most things, it seems 'quality' storytelling in comics is cyclical. When I got back into comics about 5 years ago, it seemed to me that the writing and art were better than ever. Now...well...it seems like we are seeing a real mix.
I have bought New Avengers despite my anger at Avengers Dissassembled, in hopes that this new team would be exciting, and also because Avengers has always been my favorite book. But I think I really have to stop buying it. I know I am only contributing to the problem by giving Marvel my money.
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Post by thew40 on Oct 27, 2006 22:13:02 GMT -5
Ah, yes, and this is the part where I shake my head at the monitor and think "geez, they really hate Bendis" and walk away.  Is there anything he's done right by you guys? ~W~ |
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Post by Van Plexico on Oct 27, 2006 22:16:50 GMT -5
Daredevil... Ultimate Spidey....
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Post by spiderwasp on Oct 27, 2006 22:47:36 GMT -5
Ah, yes, and this is the part where I shake my head at the monitor and think "geez, they really hate Bendis" and walk away. Is there anything he's done right by you guys? ~W~ Yes, he has had a few good issues and has given some characters some good lines, however, I don't think that's enough. Just because everything someone writes doesn't suck doesn't mean he's okay. No rational person expects excellence from any writer all the time, but if you have to search for what they've done that's good, which I think is the case with Bendis, maybe it isn't worth looking for. |
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Post by thew40 on Oct 27, 2006 22:59:14 GMT -5
Just because everything someone writes doesn't suck doesn't mean he's okay. Then what would that make him? I would think that if someone was writing something that continually doesn't suck, that would mean he's "okay." That's a very confusing sentence. I've pretty much said my peace over and over about Bendis, so I don't really think there's much more of a point in arguing it. ~W~ |
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Post by uberwolf on Oct 27, 2006 23:42:44 GMT -5
My return to comics has been limited to Avengers. NA is the only work of Bendis I have seen. It sucks, therefor he sucks imho. I don't care about Daredevil or any Ultimate titles. I want my Avengers dammit!
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Post by thew40 on Oct 27, 2006 23:59:41 GMT -5
You should try some of his other titles. While I have enjoyed NA, his work on Alias, Daredevil, Powers, and Ultimate Spider-Man have been far better.
~W~
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Post by Engage on Oct 28, 2006 2:09:37 GMT -5
I have a weird faith that the Sentry is going to be a really good character one day. Its going to take another miniseries and a couple of solid Avengers arcs but the character is going to take off.
A man with all the power anyone could ever want but without the power to overcome his own mental roadblocks. If that isn't the easiest set-up to a Doom manipulation story I don't know what is.
Maybe Sentry is manipulated into hurting some of his "friends" by a villain like Doom. Then is destroyed in a fight by someone like Thor in retribution before the lights come on and he fights back against the villain. Maybe even going to far and moving back into doubt, afraid of the power within himself. A force capable of winning any fight if only he could let himself be a hero.
To me this could be interesting. The character right now has done very little, but a writer who decides to make Reynolds his own could turn The Sentry into a character that makes a good read. The Superman of the Marvel Comics Universe, with as much doubt as he does strength, as much flaw as he has glory.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Oct 28, 2006 2:13:00 GMT -5
Well, up to this point, I have never, ever said anything positive about the Brain/Mind Bender. Keep in mind that, like uberwolf, my focus on him is totally related to the Avengers... Yet, to be fair, IMO, his piece in the special "Stan Lee meets Doctor Strange" was really good & quite funny... Completely self-serving & not a little self-indulgent, but still really good & quite funny... It showed me he can write humor well, too, besides noir books & books about individuals.
For the record, as I said before in some other thread, I don't hate Bendis personally, as a human being, but I DO HATE & despise what he's done with the Avengers & the MU in general.
This goes along the lines of "Hate the sin, not the sinner."
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Post by uberwolf on Oct 28, 2006 2:39:54 GMT -5
Then they should take Bendis off a team book and let him stick to his strengths. Apparently he's better with a smaller cast of characters. He's writing the Avengers like a reality TV show and I hate reality TV shows.
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Post by bobc on Oct 28, 2006 9:11:30 GMT -5
I love it when somebody asks if Bendis has done anything good with the Avengers, and people answer Amazing Spiderman or Daredevil. That pretty much says it all. I didn't even know who Bendis was until he came on NA, and as Uberwolf so succinctly says, New Avengers SUCKS.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Oct 28, 2006 13:29:51 GMT -5
I think you're unto something, uberwolf, a reality show...!!! Yes, his lazy dialogue writing does indeed remind one of one of those... Perhaps a surreality show as well...?
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Post by Doctor Doom on Oct 29, 2006 18:28:03 GMT -5
Heh, throwing this in because earlier I commented on Bendis not respecting Thor as a joke. Just browsing 'The Immortal Thor of Asgard' (which I thoroughlly recommend) and lo and behold....
"Wizard: Who would win in a fight between Ares and Thor?
Bendis: Ares! I believe you will be seeing that."
Well it's nice to think that one of marvel's most powerful heroes will face Ares and apparantly lose decisively enough for Bendis to answer so decisively. It seems I was right on the money- the latest of bendis' favourites, anyone?
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Post by dlw66 on Oct 29, 2006 20:01:12 GMT -5
Hasn't Hercules kicked Ares butt, and hasn't Thor bested Herc? Hey, I know the "any given day" bit, but c'mon...
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Post by bobc on Oct 29, 2006 21:41:45 GMT -5
sigh. Bendis is the worst thing to ever happen to Marvel Comics.
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Post by uberwolf on Oct 29, 2006 22:20:44 GMT -5
I suppose it would be wrong to pool our resources and hire a hit man....
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Post by Doctor Bong on Oct 30, 2006 0:49:30 GMT -5
I know just the right guy: It's this down-on-his luck greek war god, Ares...
He's been seen at the Lower East Side of Manhattan sporting a sign that reads: "I'll kill for a good writer."...
I started a thead discussing this topic sometime before at the Thor section of this site, titled "FREAKIN' ARES?".
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Post by bobc on Oct 30, 2006 8:38:57 GMT -5
And I'm sure Ares will bellow "Oy VEY!!" as he beats down Thor!
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Post by uberwolf on Oct 30, 2006 8:55:49 GMT -5
I think I'm going to give up comics again. This is getting too retarded.
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Post by bobc on Oct 30, 2006 9:40:53 GMT -5
Yeah I agree. No other writer has had the power to make me want to stop reading comics altogether.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Oct 30, 2006 11:05:26 GMT -5
It would be. ...Death's too good for him  No but seriously, you guys know I've never held the Bendis-hatred you have. The man has written excellent stuff and is a very long way for being the worst thing ever to happen to Marvel. Now the worst thing to happen to the AVENGERS on the other hand...  |
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Post by Doctor Bong on Oct 30, 2006 11:49:50 GMT -5
I'm getting to the point were I agree with uberwolf & bobc... I don't WANT to, but my disgust, frustration & dissatisfaction keep growing and, as I have maintained at other threads before, to me, reading comics should be, above all, about fun, about wonderment; if you don't get them, what's the point...? And I thought about giving DC or perhaps even another, smaller company a try but, frankly, after over 30 years of being a Marvel fan, the thought of starting over again seems too much like work to me.
I mean, when you get so desperate that you find yourself reading Marvel Adventures Avengers on a regular base, perhaps it's time to seek help... I'm thinking of sticking to rereading the old stuff as messrs Quesada & Bendis have so kindly suggested, as I pray every night for the Lord to deliver us from their clutches.
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Post by dlw66 on Oct 30, 2006 12:12:29 GMT -5
And there's nothing wrong with reading the old stuff. As you've seen in my Crystal and Pietro post, I've done A LOT of reading off the ROMs these past weeks. AND IT'S BEEN A BLAST!!! Stuff I haven't read in decades, coupled with issues I missed lo those many moons ago. I am just having a great time. I've even re-read things on the ROMs that I'd read only weeks earlier. Great stuff -- it's where my fix is coming from these days!
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Post by bobc on Oct 30, 2006 12:30:43 GMT -5
I resent what Bendis has done to Marvel. I think he is by far, the worst thing to ever happen to Marvel. BY FAR.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Oct 30, 2006 12:51:49 GMT -5
I hate being such a sourpuss, but I agree with bobc... Perhaps I'm giving too much credit & power to "Mr. Yiddish" Bendis, but I, too, think he's the worst thing ever to happen to the Avengers & to my favorite characters, worse than the Crossing & worst than Heroes Reborn...
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Post by Doctor Bong on Oct 30, 2006 12:58:53 GMT -5
But you're right as well, dlw66...!
Amidst all the many things, IMO, that Marvel's doing wrong these days, I agree that the ONE great thing in which they did right by all of us was releasing all those wonderful ROMs.
Lets all exalt Marvel for that one...!!!
(God knows we've smitten them oft enough...).
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Post by bobc on Oct 30, 2006 16:00:09 GMT -5
I'm not a sourpuss. I am happy and fluffy, usually. In fact my boss says "Bob loves everybody," which is true, most of the time. But I've watched things at Marvel get worse and worse and worse for over two years and anybody who thinks Bendis' clammy sausagelinks aren't all over the changes is in serious denial. It'd be different if this guy knew his chit and was talented and went off in some direction I didn't care for. This is different. Bendis doesn't seem to know or care anything about these characters and is destroying everything. His smartass attitude doesn't make him any more likable either.
I have nothing but respect for the house Stan Lee and Jack Kirby build. These people re-defined comics and gave me years of enjoyment. 99% of the people who came afterwards respected their vision. But not Bendis. Ares beating Thor? COME ON.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Oct 30, 2006 20:31:23 GMT -5
Sorry, bobc, I was qualifying your attitude, only mine... It just seems to me that all I do of late is to go on, and on and on about how much I hate his & other people's treatment of the MU & its inhabitants... Frankly, I would like to find something to gush, rant & rave about... But in all honesty, I don't... Oh, to be sure, here & there I still see around sparkles of Marvel's former glory, but not enough for my taste... not nearly enough.
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Post by bobc on Oct 31, 2006 10:27:29 GMT -5
I know whatcha mean. I feel the same way. Who wants to complain all the time? I don't! But I can't pretend to like something I don't.
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