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Post by starfoxxx on May 8, 2016 19:02:59 GMT -5
It was AMAZING!
Chock full if Avengers, and much like Avengers:Age of Ultron, most of this movie has the feel of a live-action comic book.
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Post by spiderwasp on May 8, 2016 21:07:56 GMT -5
It was AMAZING! Chock full if Avengers, and much like Avengers:Age of Ultron, most of this movie has the feel of a live-action comic book. I agree. I can't quite go along with the reviews that say that it was the best one yet but it was up there, especially once it gets really moving. Loved the new Spider-man (Although it totally creeps me out to be thinking that Aunt May is hot) and Black Panther. I was also glad to see that Ant-man is still getting the treatment he deserves. I've said this before but I just don't understand how Marvel consistently delivers the fun and excitement of old-school comics on screen but seems to have forgotten how to do it in the actual books. If the books were a tenth of the quality of the movies, I'd still be going broke buying tons of monthly titles. Come to think of it, maybe I'm better off that they've forgotten. |
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Post by pym on May 9, 2016 11:03:56 GMT -5
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Post by Marvel Boy on May 10, 2016 19:27:09 GMT -5
A fantastic film.
Excellent intros for Spider-Man and Black Panther. Every character gets a moment to shine. But what makes this film amazing to me is that the rift formed between Steve and Tony felt more real, more natural than anything put forth in such a measure within the comics.
Moral debates on accountability and responsibility are fine, everyone had their position and their reasons why. When Bucky's past action was revealed though, things became personal and the level of drama increased tenfold.
The airport fight scene was incredible almost like a classic Stan Lee-penned 'hero-vs-hero' fight come to life. For me though, the superior fight was the end scenes between Steve, Tony, and Bucky. That whole sequence was a gut-punch to watch.
Which is why I think Zemo was a great villain. Yeah, he may not have been in the classic comic version but his speech to T'Challa during that end fight was all the more damning. His motivations clear, his plan simple and elegant, his execution of it near-flawless. When he chastises Martin Freeman's character over did his plan really fail, I got chills. I hope we see more of him in the future.
With the culmination of ongoing plot threads from throughout this movie franchise, massive questions as to what is to come, and the high level of personal drama (especially at the end), this film became an instant classic for me, easily the best film Marvel has produced so far.
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Post by Crimson Cowl on May 25, 2016 18:12:16 GMT -5
Yeah, this movie was superb. My second favourite from Marvel so far (after Winter Soldier). The bombshell of the climax was just fantastic. the rift formed between Steve and Tony felt more real, more natural than anything put forth in such a measure within the comics. Couldn't agree with you any more. The development of the characters and their own experiences in previous movies led right here and made total sense. In contrast to the comic where I felt Millar just tried to force the characters to fit into his own ideological agenda (and this was even worse with Ms. Marvel. Can you think of any character who has suffered any more as a result of her enemies discovering her secret identity? She would be the very last person to support the Registration Act). Anyway, back to the movie: loved how the film turned out to not really be about the Sokovia (Transia?) Accords but actually about more universal, personal issues of family, friendship, loyalty, betrayal and revenge. It really pulled the rug out from under you, and of course the big reveal played a big part in this. I had actually really hoped they were going to do the Arsenal storyline for Iron Man 3 as they seemed well set up to do that but I can certainly see why they didn't if they had this in the works. (I still think Arsenal would make for a great Iron Man movie though). Boseman was fantastic as T'Challa and Ant Man's big moment must surely have made every true Avengers fan ecstatic. Spider Man was great too. Incidentally, regarding Wanda's powers, have they made her less of a Jean Grey clone and given her some of her real powers? When she escapes from the Avengers compound she does so by turning the Vision's power against himself not by telekinesis. I'm much happier for her to be the real Scarlet Witch! Sounds like Thor: Ragnarok could be interesting with the Hulk and Hela in it and a pretty exciting cast. Hoping for the best as they owe Thor a decent movie after the disappointment of The Dark World. |
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Post by spiderwasp on May 25, 2016 20:16:18 GMT -5
One reason that this conflict worked better than in the comics (And I agree that it did) was that the initial cause of the concern made more sense. In the books, the problem started with the New Warriors and the Stamford incident. This always seemed completely forced and artificial to me. In a world where incidents of this nature happen every day and have been for years and years with numerous heroes and groups, this particular incident didn't seem that extraordinary. The cinematic universe is newer and the Slovakia accords were prompted by numerous events. When you add the personal stakes involving Stark having been responsible for Ultron's creation and Cap's attachment to Bucky, you have something that seems real. I understood where both sides were coming from and even wavered in my agreement throughout the movie.
So far, the cinematic universe has surpassed all of my expectations. When I first saw that they were covering the Winter Soldier I shuddered. I hated bringing Bucky back in the books. His death, along with Gwen Stacy's, Uncle Ben's, Thunderbird's and Captain Marvel's (At least at that time) were the only lasting impacts death had ever had on the Marvel Universe. I didn't think it should have been undone. The movie handled it well though and because I had not already seen dozens of movie characters return from the dead, I wasn't bothered. When I saw that the second Avengers would be called Ultron Unlimited, I rolled my eyes. That was an awful comic book story and one of the last Avengers stories I actually read before giving up. I loved the movie. At the time that Civil War comic came out, I thought it was one of the worst stories ever. I'm still not a fan but will admit it was brilliant compared to most of the garbage that has followed. The Civil War movie was terrific. At this rate, I might even refrain from moaning if they do Secret Invasion. However, if they do Avengers Disassembled, I will still break out in a cold sweat since that was really the beginning of the end of my comic book love affair with the Avengers.
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Post by bobc on May 27, 2016 17:56:52 GMT -5
Isn't it weird how these Russo brothers seem to "get" the characters better than 95% of comic book writers? I think most of the excitement for us older fans is finally seeing our favorite meta humans on the big screen--there were plenty of plot holes that you could drive a truck through in Civil War, but for me it didn't matter! The scenes between Tony and Peter Parker were hilarious! Paul Rudd, to me, is a comedic genius and couldn't have been better and funnier than he was! Becoming Giant Man out of the clear blue knocked my socks off!!Rudd's likeability factor is off the charts (a new Ant Man film is in preparation and The Wasp will be in it!!!!)! Of course my favorite was Black Panther, but I'm biased, and I couldn't believe how the Russo brothers recovered some of the best elements of this incredibly under-rated and misused character, making him shine! Loved the fight scenes where Winter Soldier obviously knew he was outclassed--T'Challa was amazing and pretty scary! I also liked how, at the very end, BP showed his regal, wise side by acknowledging that he and Zemo and others were blinded by vengeance, and that it had to stop.
While I loved the movie, my only gripes were that the Scarlet Witch's personality doesn't even exist at this point (compare her to Black Widow and it's not even close), and I think the Vision looks ridiculous. I may be the only one who thinks so, but it's just my opinion. I did like the plot twist where it seemed like Vision was protecting Wanda, whereas he was really keeping her captive. SW's increasing his density to make him fall through many stories of that building was epic!!
I think The Black Widow really shined! They are obviously giving her more attention and it shows. She is finally seeming like a true core member of the team and not just the token female(That being said, I must clarify that I thought that first scene with her in the first Avengers movie, where she was tied to a chair and totally controlled her "interrogators" was the most memorable scene for me).
Hawkeye seems to be the least developed character. I think the guy who plays him was miscast. He just doesn't feel like Hawkeye to me, whereas all the other characters seem spot-on.
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Post by Crimson Cowl on May 28, 2016 6:41:19 GMT -5
Isn't it weird how these Russo brothers seem to "get" the characters better than 95% of comic book writers? I think most of the excitement for us older fans is finally seeing our favorite meta humans on the big screen--there were plenty of plot holes that you could drive a truck through in Civil War, but for me it didn't matter! The scenes between Tony and Peter Parker were hilarious! Paul Rudd, to me, is a comedic genius and couldn't have been better and funnier than he was! Becoming Giant Man out of the clear blue knocked my socks off!!Rudd's likeability factor is off the charts (a new Ant Man film is in preparation and The Wasp will be in it!!!!)! Of course my favorite was Black Panther, but I'm biased, and I couldn't believe how the Russo brothers recovered some of the best elements of this incredibly under-rated and misused character, making him shine! Loved the fight scenes where Winter Soldier obviously knew he was outclassed--T'Challa was amazing and pretty scary! I also liked how, at the very end, BP showed his regal, wise side by acknowledging that he and Zemo and others were blinded by vengeance, and that it had to stop. While I loved the movie, my only gripes were that the Scarlet Witch's personality doesn't even exist at this point (compare her to Black Widow and it's not even close), and I think the Vision looks ridiculous. I may be the only one who thinks so, but it's just my opinion. I did like the plot twist where it seemed like Vision was protecting Wanda, whereas he was really keeping her captive. SW's increasing his density to make him fall through many stories of that building was epic!! I think The Black Widow really shined! They are obviously giving her more attention and it shows. She is finally seeming like a true core member of the team and not just the token female(That being said, I must clarify that I thought that first scene with her in the first Avengers movie, where she was tied to a chair and totally controlled her "interrogators" was the most memorable scene for me). Hawkeye seems to be the least developed character. I think the guy who plays him was miscast. He just doesn't feel like Hawkeye to me, whereas all the other characters seem spot-on. I thought this movie went some way to giving Wanda a more defined personality (after being given virtually nothing in Age of Ultron). I think we a get a much better picture of who she is. My favourite Black Widow scene is still the one where she interrogates and dupes Loki. Scarlett gives a fantastic performance there (reminds me of Kate in Lost actually). The Hawkeye thing is definitely an issue. I think part of the problem is having him be a Special Forces type (something I was initially very enthusiastic about; but see the problem now). The whole family man bit seems to have got dumped on him in AoU because the writers presumably didn't think the character mattered and needed an interlude sequence in the middle of the movie. It's totally wrong for the character. I don't think Jeremy Renner is the problem at all -in fact I think he's doing a great job. I think it's more what he's been given to work with over the course of 3 movies. I also think the situation's improving with Hawk more like himself in this film and going forward being on the side of the Rebel Avengers may help to bring out more of Hawkeye's traditional fire. I didn't think the film suffered from plot holes really. They do skate over some of the issues surrounding the Accords though; which would be far more one sided in Cap's favour were they explored in a more balanced way -but I guess that's for dramatic purposes. |
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Post by humanbelly on Jun 4, 2016 20:13:21 GMT -5
Finally saw it this afternoon, and I loved it. Yes, yes-- it's much more an AVENGERS 2.5 film than a CAPTAIN AMERICA 3, but cripes, everyone is so on point that I don't fault it for that. I suppose the one slight criticism I could muster on that front is that Steve's "personal" story gets such short shrift that those few moments that do occur seem almost embarrassingly conspicuous. It's also not a cheer-at-the-end film, like so many Marvel films kind of are-- and I like that here. Given the ugly nature of the "family" rift in the team, and the paper-thin amends that are made by the end, this much more measured, sedate, mature ending is a more appropriate in tone.
And great job on the team of writers giving us an IMPOSSIBLY crowded film. . . and managing to make us care about each and every flippin' character that inhabits it-! What they managed to avoid (and I was watching for it) was giving everyone throwaway, cliche'd, sound-bite, "Character" lines in an attempt to force their visibility at the expense of actual depth. Particularly strong? --the obvious budding feelings between Vizh and Wanda; the combative sidekick-buddy relationship between Bucky and Sam; and wow, the BIGGEST surprise for me was that I was CERTAIN this version of Spidey was going to be the Mile Morales re-boot! Heck, I'm sure I read that more than once! This was not a bad take at ALL for giving us a truly geeky 15-year-old kid as brand-new web-slinger! I totally by this kid as that version of Pete-- although I do have trouble picturing him maturing fully into our older familiar Mr Parker.
Ahhhh- fine, fine film!
HB
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Post by bobc on Jun 6, 2016 16:55:37 GMT -5
Hi HB--apparently you never saw my many threats over on Bronze Age Babies to revoke your Marvel Nerd Card if you didn't hurry up and see this movie. I meant business! Glad you loved it (the movie, not my vicious threats). I just went to see it again Sunday and have to say The Black Widow, to me, really shined in this movie! I guess I didn't notice it much before because I was so excited seeing Spiderman and Black Panther for the first time. Scarlett Johanson really does a fantastic job.
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Post by humanbelly on Jun 8, 2016 10:55:12 GMT -5
Ha! Nope I didn't see those admonitions, BobC-- 'cause they were on the "Fully Spoiled" post, which I didn't read at all, 'cause I didn't want to go gettin' all spoiled-! I did catch up on it this morning, though, and added a much-belated acknowledgment. HBSon also saw it over the weekend, and we had a GREAT time comparing experiences on Monday (whilst waiting for HBGirl to get graduated from high school. . . )
In a way, the film has the feel of a really solid television series, which to me is a FAR superior story-telling format. It's truly committing to and owning its episodic/installment nature, and not being scared off by that misguided old concern that "People have to understand everything in this movie even if they've never seen any of the others". Number one, the source material managed to pull new people in and intrigue them with elements of story that they weren't fully familiar with-- it didn't alienate them. Number two, it's far easier NOW to get IMMEDIATE access to the entire canon of films for reference/binge-watch than it EVER used to be to pick up even a single back-issue! Really, it's a non-concern here. Glad to see Disney is able to shed that kind of Old Hollywood mindset.
HB
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Post by bobc on Jun 9, 2016 11:05:42 GMT -5
I agree, HB.
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