Post by Marvel Boy on Sept 22, 2013 11:25:50 GMT -5
I think the Apocalypse Twins are one of the good surprises springing from the the NOW! premiere. They are turning into some really intriguing, powerful villains.
But like all villains, they believe that what they are doing is necessary. Here, we learn of their plan along with Wanda's possible role in it (along with Simon). Again, Remender makes some interesting points and discussion on the state of relations between mutants and humans. The Twins cover all the previous philosophies concerning those relations (from Xavier to Magneto to Apoc to even Cyclops' current methods), all in an attempt to convince Wanda to help them achieve their goal of mutant freedom. (They also touch upon the frightening implications of Red Onslaught)
We also get some great interactions with the Four Horsemen. While Banshee is sadly absent, Grim Reaper argues the futility behind Simon's pacifism, Sentry is just gonzo crazy as Thor continues to deal with him, and some great dialogue from Daken as he attacks his father Logan. Rogue and Sunfire also have a heartfelt conversation, highlighting their unique relationship as they seek to rescue their comrades.
Nothing much may have happened in this issue, but this was more focused on motivations for everyone involved, an exercise that I'm glad Remender took the time to employ. Still loving this title.
Post by starfoxxx on Sept 24, 2013 17:44:34 GMT -5
This is now the only Avengers title I'm buying. I picked up Mighty Avengers, but it was pretty lame (does everyone --ie. Cage, Monica, etc-- think Superior Spidey is the same old Spidey??? He doesn't talk/sound remotely like Peter Parker, with the snarky jokes, etc. It just seems dumb to me).
Anyhoo, Uncanny Avengers is also a big dissappointment, IMO. BOOOOORING! Nothing ever happens, talk talk, talk. It sucks, again IMHO.
I desperately hope SOMETHING happens in Uncanny Av soon. I'm down to it and Fearless Defenders ( and that book is starting to lose touch of the "voices" of its long established characters (it's a pet peeve of mine, sorry). Since Legion OSH is cancelled, its hard for me to stick with ANY new comics right now.......
at least there's Back Issue magazine to keep me excited about my (50 mile) trip to my LCS.
I'm just soooo dissappointed in the Avengers titles and material Marvel is currently cranking out. C'mon Marvel, how come you can't get it right?
Post by spiderwasp on Sept 24, 2013 21:21:36 GMT -5
starfoxxx, I'm right there with you. I still like Uncanny well enough to keep buying it even though I haven't picked up #11 yet. However, it's only working for me because it's better than the other Avengers titles - not because it's particularly great. I hate that I'm now settling for buying titles because they're "Not bad" when I used to not be able to resist buying books even though I couldn't afford them because I thought they were "Really good."
Regarding Mighty Avengers, I think I'll start a thread for that and respond there.
Post by spiderwasp on Sept 24, 2013 21:32:19 GMT -5
or maybe I won't. Have we changed the way to start a new thread? I've done it before but I do see where to do it so: Regarding Mighty Avengers -I actually thought it had potential BUT the Superior Spidey factor is a major turn-off. I haven't even read an issue of Spider-man since Brand New Day and only know that it's Doc Ock in the costume because of what I've read elsewhere, but like you said - how could anyone not know that that's not Peter. I also didn't like the usual throwing us into the midst of a story in a first issue. There were several unfamiliar characters and the writer just acted like I show know them and know what's going on in the current storyline. For a first issue, that's not very inviting. The respect shown to Monica is the factor that will bring me back for a little while at least.
It was occurring to me that Marvel keeps launching new titles and they never last for long. I know that they do this because collectors will buy first issues due to the potential of them increasing in value and are reluctant to jump on board an old title. However, I have another theory. Many of us buy the first few issues of books because we are so hopeful that this will be good. After only a few issues, we give up on that idea and stop buying it. Marvel then launches another new title, and in our misguided hope of recapturing the love we used to have for comics, we buy it. This keeps repeating. As a result, Marvel misinterprets that we love first issues. The reality is that we'd prefer to stick with a title for the long haul but nothing is good enough to make us do it. I'm pretty close to giving up new comics altogether at this point.
or maybe I won't. Have we changed the way to start a new thread? I've done it before but I do see where to do it so:
Hmm-- seems like the way is still there. You have to click on one of the forum names first, right? Then the "start a new thread" option is amongst a couple of others near the top, on the right?
. The reality is that we'd prefer to stick with a title for the long haul but nothing is good enough to make us do it. I'm pretty close to giving up new comics altogether at this point.
I have to say that the withdrawal process wasn't nearly as traumatic as I thought it would be. Just as you're experiencing, continuing to read the new comics was making me actually feel worse than not reading them at all has proven to. There are still some pangs of loss-- but also a sense of freedom. . .
Post by starfoxxx on Sept 25, 2013 16:10:51 GMT -5
Yeah, I'll let the AA boards know when I finally call it quits on new comics....
I'm sticking in there with Uncanny Avengers and fearless Defenders for now....
(and Kick-ass, for some reason, although I've been buying them but haven't read any since the first series), also if Marvel and DC decide to put out some quality handbooks again, I'd pick those up.
Again, I'm always up for checking out something recommended by fellow Assemblers on these boards, but excitement about new stuff is kinda few and far between, IMO.
I would think that Marvel would have something cool and respectful to long-time Avengers fans planned for the 50th anniversary, but right now I'm not very impressed with their handling of the numerous Avengers projects. Too bad.
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Post by starfoxxx on Sept 25, 2013 16:22:08 GMT -5
Also, Marvel Boy, I am sorry if I've brought negative vibes to your thread about Uncanny, which you obviously are enjoying. I admit the art is great, it's just been getting more an more dissappointing for me as the story continues. Confusing and plodding are two words that come to mind, whereas I'm looking for something more in line with an older style of comic book story. I actually was going to put up reviews of Uncanny for the last few issues explaining my dismay, but instead I glommed onto the first thread concerning a new title I'm reading.
Keep up the great reviews, it's great to hear from someone reading a new Avengers book, who loves the team as much as spiderwasp and I do!
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Post by Marvel Boy on Sept 25, 2013 20:58:41 GMT -5
In recent interviews, Remender has said that something MAJOR happens in #14. Now, that just may be hyperbole, but based on everything I've read about him, he does pay off on long-running plots and story arcs.
I still enjoy this title because while it may be mostly talking here lately, it's dialogue that makes you think. The acceptance of mutants within Marvel society is a long-standing divisive issue and Remender has pointed out some interesting and fresh perspectives on that issue.
Plus, he's done rather well with the differing characterizations of the mutants and the Avengers. Wanda's harsh welcome back into the group, Alex struggling to be the leader that Cap believes he is, Rogue's suspicions, Simon's commitment to pacifism, Cap dealing with fallout of his own adventures, and Janet trying to hold everything and everyone together.
But the action seems to be on the horizon though......
I think there has been a decent balance of action and talking in recent issues. Yes, more words than punches, but unlike other books some degree of fighting always took place, and there seems to be more to come.
it's dialogue that makes you think. The acceptance of mutants within Marvel society is a long-standing divisive issue and Remender has pointed out some interesting and fresh perspectives on that issue.
Ditto. They offered some interesting points of view, the likes of which people could really discuss if mutants were to exist in the real world.