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Post by Shiryu on May 11, 2013 19:16:23 GMT -5
And #8 is out too, nice follow up to its predecessor. I loved the Thor / Sunfire, especially Shiro's arrogance, and also Cap in Sudan and the growing Avengers/mutants suspicions.
My only problem is that there are a lot of references to Remender's previous work on X-Force, which I've never read, so it requires some digging online to understand what the Apocalypse Twins are talking about.
But that's no fault of the book - this is another very enjoyable issue with the right mix of action and talking.
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Post by tomspasic on May 12, 2013 5:13:32 GMT -5
And #8 is out too, nice follow up to its predecessor. I loved the Thor / Sunfire, especially Shiro's arrogance, and also Cap in Sudan and the growing Avengers/mutants suspicions. My only problem is that there are a lot of references to Remender's previous work on X-Force, which I've never read, so it requires some digging online to understand what the Apocalypse Twins are talking about. But that's no fault of the book - this is another very enjoyable issue with the right mix of action and talking. I have the same problem as I generally avoid everything with the X-men in like the plague. Still, normally my complaints with modern Marvel comics are along the lines of "not enough continuity". So this makes a pleasant change, to be going "Hunh? What? Who are these people? What the hell are they talking about?" and know that if I could be bothered, I could actually find out. I've always found Apocolypso really boring. One of these really badly defined, no clear powers, but supposedly awesome villains that were endemic in the 90's. But maybe Remender can make me give a d**n, though he has an uphill struggle ahead of him. A pretty good issue, liked Acuna's art, was largely lost and mildly disinterested in the story, though.
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Post by Marvel Boy on May 12, 2013 9:48:53 GMT -5
It's nice that Remender is able to pick up plot threads from UXF here, but UXF remains one of the few X-titles I can't get into for some reason. So some confusion abounds.
Apoc's storyline back in the 90s, the whole immortal/survival of the fittest tied into Cable's and Stryfe's stories, it dragged on for too long. It soured me on the character. My highlight of him was the whole Age of Apoc event, when all the X-titles switched over for a few months. It didn't succeed on all levels, but it was daring and ambitious and did have some lasting consequences.
Heading to my LCS this week so will pick up this issue then.
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Post by Marvel Boy on May 23, 2013 22:18:54 GMT -5
I missed a few earlier issues but having acquired those, I went back and re-read this title from beginning to now. I must say, it holds up rather well.
I was unaware of the changes to Apoc's position and don't know much about what happened to Archangel. I'm not sure if I ever read it, but why is Simon frowned upon by the other Avengers?
I like the mistrust sewn into this group between the X-members and the Avengers. When Rogue and Logan go off to have their discussion over what Rogue thinks Logan knows about the Twins, Janet automatically assumes they are keeping secrets. The X-members play by their own set of rules and it's interesting how that factors into their being Avengers now.
My only quibble would be the constant reminder that both Rogue and Wanda were former members of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. But that was what, 20, 30+ years ago? So their public perception in the MU is still as villains? (Although this may be understandable with Wanda given what she has done over the past decade, but I don't know if the general MU public are aware of her role in those events)
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Post by Shiryu on May 25, 2013 13:49:12 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I ever read it, but why is Simon frowned upon by the other Avengers? Towards the end of Bendis' run, Simon decided the Avengers had caused more harm than good to the world and created a team to defeat them, the Ravagers. They didn't accomplish much, and I think Simon later repented his methods, if not his views, but now he is no longer trusted like before.
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Post by humanbelly on May 26, 2013 17:44:26 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I ever read it, but why is Simon frowned upon by the other Avengers? Towards the end of Bendis' run, Simon decided the Avengers had caused more harm than good to the world and created a team to defeat them, the Ravagers. They didn't accomplish much, and I think Simon later repented his methods, if not his views, but now he is no longer trusted like before. Now, I had given up on reading the title(s) regularly before this came about. But I have to say that, story-telling execution aside, this isn't really an implausible arc for Simon at all. With the caveat that we're talking about the Bendis-era iterations of the Avengers (Mighty, Dark, Initiative, etc) being what Simon was so irate about, I could well imagine him deciding it was time for a bit of a house-cleaning at least on behalf of the memory of what the Avengers used to be. Mind you, my guess is that it likely wasn't handled as well as that. . . but it COULD have been, y'know? God bless 'im, whether he was trying to be a reformed bad guy, or get over his death-phobia, or his sense of inferiority, or his later egomania, or wrestle with his hopelessly tangled personal & emotional life, the consistent aspect of Simon- intentional or not- is that he's always had to think about being a hero. Unlike Cap or Thor or Spidey (or really most folks out there), it doesn't happen at an instinctual level for him. He has to make the effort to identify the right thing to do, and then make a conscious choice to do it, regardless of what circumstances might be sticking clay on his boots. He's never been my favorite character, but that aspect has always made me admire him a bit more-- because it just doesn't come easily or naturally to him. HB
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Post by bobc on May 29, 2013 8:08:46 GMT -5
Issue 8 is out. The Bendis virus has infected this book. I won't be buying it anymore.
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