I didn't like the art very much in this issue, but most of everything else was great! The Mansion, Wasp, Simon (acting more like his normal self for a change), Kang and the Grim Reaper... it was like jumping 15 years back in time.
Post by Marvel Boy on Mar 30, 2013 22:49:13 GMT -5
In Mike Carey's last run on X-Men Legacy, Rogue was able to gain considerably more control over her powers. This would also help to explain why she was able to steal Simon's abilities when going all the way back to her first appearance in Avengers Annual #10, her powers had no effect on him.
I just read this issue and I have to say it is dynamite!! Finally they have a great artist (this guy's ability to draw human anatomy is phenomenal) and the fight scenes were really spectacular! I have to admit that Uncanny Avengers sounded like a bad idea when I first heard it, but I've been proven wrong. I really like the tensions between the X-Men and old school Avengers! Does anyone know how The Wasp was brought back? Didn't she die? I think I missed something but she's such a great character, I don't mind her coming back at all.
Does anyone know how The Wasp was brought back? Didn't she die?
In the very last arc of Bendis' run, it was revealed she had never been killed, only shrunk down to the microverse, with no means of getting back. On the run from the local warlord, she managed to send a distress call to the Avengers, who rescued her.
I actually went back and REREAD this issue----something I rarely do since I started reading comics again. This one has everything that makes the Avengers comics my favorite; A great cover, as well as interior art, great villains, chemistry (and respect of history) between members, tensions between members, recruitment of members, the use of older/classic stories and characters, as well as a mix of new ones.......the ACTUAL fighting between a villain and the Avengers. Nicely done.
That's what I found lacking in New Avengers #4. Just talk, talk, talk. It's still interesting, and my second favorite Avengers title right now. ....I'm dropping Avengers and Avengers Arena, pretty disappointed in both, I'll just pick them up when there's a good issue, and I like to read the feedback on these boards to see what's happening.
As stated before, Uncanny Avengers is THE Avengers, IMHO.
I've been busy lately so I hadn't read issues 4 or 5 of Uncanny so I decided to just start at the beginning and read all the way through. I did the same thing with Avengers about a week ago. Still VERY disappointed with Avengers and do plan on dropping it BUT I can't believe there are actually Avengers titles out now that I'm excited about. I'm enjoying Young Avengers, Avengers Assemble, and New Avengers a great deal and look forward to each issue. They are leaps and bounds above the Avengers books of the past 10 years. However, Uncanny Avengers has me feeling a kind of excitement I haven't felt since Busiek. Isn't it fun to get to come on here and share our excitement with one another for a change instead of our frustration? Turns out we aren't just a bunch of old fogies who can't accept anything new after all.
Re: Avengers Academy is cancelled « Reply #4 on Sept 6, 2012, 8:49pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'd heard rumblings that this might be coming. Well, there goes the one and ONLY book I buy on a regular basis. Very sad spiderwasp
>>>hey spiderwasp, this is from a thread I started back in September, we were very bummed about AAcademy being cancelled. Things have got better, just like we hoped it would!
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I don't know how many of you keep up with comic news sites, but Havok's M-word speech this issue has caused quite a stir this week, even earning Remender threats from fans over Twitter and his actual phone.
Alex equates the term 'mutant' on par with a racial slur such as the n-word. This is an instance where the X-Men's usual metaphor of 'being outcasts, feared and hated' strays far too close to actual real-life issues and concerns. As whenever this occurs, the metaphor breaks down.
I see this more as a fundamental issue rather than a cultural issue. Mutant is the accepted scientific description for them within the MU. Everyone from Xavier to Moira to Beast to Reed has used the term. So Havok is not only railing against cultural perceptions but also accepted scientific nomenclature. (It also doesn't help that he neglected to offer any alternatives other than his name)
I don't know if any of you have given any thoughts to this particular point but this speech has overshadowed what is a terrific issue all around. (Love that Kang is back to his old manipulative ways)
I'll throw my two cents in here. I am counted in two different minority groups (Don't care to go into it) and I understand what the author was trying to say, although maybe he wasn't upfront enough. No matter what "group" you belong to, being identified with that group carries with it endless baggage. Who needs it? In fact I resent it. I want to be known as Bob--my work, my personality, my writing, whatever. I hate the fact that because I belong to a certain group, that I am politically liberal or less often conservative. I am proud of who I am as a person, not a group member. I will be turning 50 in less than two years, and I recall a time when everybody wasn't shoved into little boxes defined by race or other things. I looked at my high school year book the other day and was shocked to realize how many other "minorities" I went to school with--frankly, it never crossed my mind. Kids were just kids. Today everyone is walking on eggshells, banning words, and worst of all, morally preening. We have gone backwards, IMO.
Now I don't agree with banning the word mutant, but I understand bristling at all the baggage. I think Havok was just saying that. Maybe joining the Avengers was his way of setting down that bag. After all, the Avengers have never been without mutants on the team but they have never been seen as "a mutant team." The X-Men, of course, are known as that because the team is exclusive to mutants.
Now you may argue that they are technically a school for mutants--but I don't think that secretly separating themselves from the general public did them any favors. And why deal only with training mutants? Didn't Bruce Banner need a bit of help that he never got? Peter Parker? She Hulk?
When mutants like Beast, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, etc joined the Avengers, their mutant problems, for the most part, disappeared. They were no longer in a box.
One of the reasons I stopped reading the X-men was all the self-pity. I say proudly be yourself and to hell with anybody judges you before they know you.
Yes, when I started reading comics (the early 80s) the X-men were still a close-knit group, and the "mood" of the book was still pretty lighthearted and fun. The mid-80s brought in grittier, more serious comics, and the X-men started down that path, while the Avengers stayed "fun"----therefore, I stuck with the Avengers (every issue from #240-343) while I only picked up the X-men comics that interested me. The x-books were so "whiney", full of the self-pity bobc refers to.
And by Avengers #343, pretty much all the "fun" was sucked out of the book (as well as super-hero comics in general......the dreaded 1990s), so that was it for me.
Right. I liked Busiek's writing because he wrote some serious stuff but he never forgot to put some funny, light hearted stuff in there--like Beast's "reunion" with Wonder Man or the parade that New Yorkers had for the Avengers.
You know what I'd like to see? Howabout fans of mutants? Most kids would love to have super powers so it stands to reason that the X-Men would have fans!! Kids start off very accepting of things --so why not have an X-Men fan group that gets in fights with the humans who don't like them, maybe? You know, stuff like that to balance out the flip side.