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Post by wundagoreborn on Mar 12, 2013 13:32:19 GMT -5
Say, wundagore, do you live in California...? Near to where the Avengers' Compound is/was supposed to be...? When I got promoted to WCA status here, I thought it was fitting to make my location match.
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Post by Doctor Bong Crosby on Mar 12, 2013 14:14:50 GMT -5
Ahhhhhhhhhh.... silly me! I see, said Matt Murdoch... .
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Post by ultron69 on Mar 12, 2013 15:25:07 GMT -5
quote fail -- this was in reply to ultron69 re: Mar-Vell Yup, I figured that.
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Post by humanbelly on Mar 12, 2013 15:57:45 GMT -5
Ahhhhhhhhhh.... silly me! I see, said Matt Murdoch... . Oh lordy-- where's that Smite button-?? *click* *click* *clicklicklicklicklickliclk. . . * ;D HB
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Post by spiderwasp on Mar 12, 2013 20:36:40 GMT -5
Okay, so Moondragon was not a favorite for me but this one is. I know there are some folks on this board who are not Patsy Walker fans but I love me some Hell-cat. For a character with relatively few Avengers appearances, she's got some pretty awesome covers too. As with many, the first is the best. I love this cover. Also, like the Black Knight, no floating heads - only floating people. I like the title on this one too. "A tale of two kitties" - nice I hated it when Patsy was unceremoniously and pointlessly killed off so this cover really made me happy in 2000
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Post by ultron69 on Mar 13, 2013 7:55:16 GMT -5
Okay, so Moondragon was not a favorite for me but this one is. I know there are some folks on this board who are not Patsy Walker fans but I love me some Hell-cat. For a character with relatively few Avengers appearances, she's got some pretty awesome covers too. I like the title on this one too. "A tale of two kitties" - nice I liked Hell-Cat too. That cover seems odd to me right now, because I just finished reaading Avengers #305 (below) in which Cap invites just about every current and former Avenger (even Moondragon showed up!) to announce that there'll from now on be only one Avengers team, rather than separate East & West Coast teams, and to get commitment from all the reserve members to be on call (I counted about 26 Avengers). Anyway, in this issue, Tigra starts insulting Hell-Cat for no particular reason, and they almost come to blows. Tigra's always been my least favorite Avenger, and that scene just reinforced it.
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Post by humanbelly on Mar 13, 2013 8:23:51 GMT -5
Okay, so Moondragon was not a favorite for me but this one is. I know there are some folks on this board who are not Patsy Walker fans but I love me some Hell-cat. For a character with relatively few Avengers appearances, she's got some pretty awesome covers too. I like the title on this one too. "A tale of two kitties" - nice I liked Hell-Cat too. That cover seems odd to me right now, because I just finished reaading Avengers #305 (below) in which Cap invites just about every current and former Avenger (even Moondragon showed up!) to announce that there'll from now on be only one Avengers team, rather than separate East & West Coast teams, and to get commitment from all the reserve members to be on call (I counted about 26 Avengers). Anyway, in this issue, Tigra starts insulting Hell-Cat for no particular reason, and they almost come to blows. Tigra's always been my least favorite Avenger, and that scene just reinforced it. Never-Noticed-Before Dept.-- That is a particularly. . . unfortunate. . . outfit that Jen is sporting on the cover of #305, there. Perhaps she's striving to defeat the Lava Men with an all-out chromatic assault. . . ? HB
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Post by Doctor Bong Crosby on Mar 13, 2013 11:30:57 GMT -5
Okay, so Moondragon was not a favorite for me but this one is. I know there are some folks on this board who are not Patsy Walker fans but I love me some Hell-cat. For a character with relatively few Avengers appearances, she's got some pretty awesome covers too. I like the title on this one too. "A tale of two kitties" - nice I liked Hell-Cat too. That cover seems odd to me right now, because I just finished reaading Avengers #305 (below) in which Cap invites just about every current and former Avenger (even Moondragon showed up!) to announce that there'll from now on be only one Avengers team, rather than separate East & West Coast teams, and to get commitment from all the reserve members to be on call (I counted about 26 Avengers). Anyway, in this issue, Tigra starts insulting Hell-Cat for no particular reason, and they almost come to blows. Tigra's always been my least favorite Avenger, and that scene just reinforced it. They never really got around implementing that idea, though, right...? I think it was inmediately all but forgotten until around the end of Busiek's run and especially right after it.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Mar 13, 2013 11:42:49 GMT -5
Okay, so Moondragon was not a favorite for me but this one is. I know there are some folks on this board who are not Patsy Walker fans but I love me some Hell-cat. For a character with relatively few Avengers appearances, she's got some pretty awesome covers too. As with many, the first is the best. I love this cover. Also, like the Black Knight, no floating heads - only floating people. I like the title on this one too. "A tale of two kitties" - nice I hated it when Patsy was unceremoniously and pointlessly killed off so this cover really made me happy in 2000 'You Wanted Her, You Got Her!' and 'The Hellcat Cometh!" Nothing beats great cover blurbs. If I'd seen that issue on the spinner rack, I'd have to buy it. Though I'd never read all the much of Hellcat so I have no opinion on her either way. Tigra, on the other hand, I would agree with you on. She's never been one of my favorites either.
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Post by spiderwasp on Mar 13, 2013 20:59:27 GMT -5
It's actually surprising that there are enought Two Gun Kids to make the list but here they are. I know I just posted this same cover for Moondragon but it was because it was an okay cover for her but a great one for TGK Reasonalbly cool cover and nice return for the character Okay, I did have to go into alternate covers to get a third BUT it's a really good third. I wish I had this cover instead of the one that I do have.
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Post by wundagoreborn on Mar 14, 2013 9:37:03 GMT -5
Two Gun probably got some cool covers because putting a Western theme on a super hero book would make it stand out from a typical offering. I agree that AF cover is fantastic.
Two Gun always reminds me of the folly of adolescence. In the 6th grade, my teacher saw me reading comics and decided to give me his old collection. It was packed with Two Gun Kid, Kid Colt, Rawhide Kid books. Then a few years later, I decided I was too cool for cowboys so I traded them all away for some other junk. I'd love to have the collection back now.
I kept one book, because it was the oldest comic I'd ever seen. A 10 cent cover price issue of Kid Colt. Glad I still have that one.
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Post by humanbelly on Mar 14, 2013 9:59:14 GMT -5
Something that caught my eye on #142, there- which I noticed the first time, too- was how anthropomorphized Iron Man's faceplate is! A furrowed brow, high cheek-bones, and a prominent chin. . . . . . it does seem to be pushing the envelope a bit. I'd noticed the same thing w/ the cover to #133. . . . . . seems to be an awful lot of in-the-moment human expression going on there. (I know, I know- this has LONG been a bit of a winked-at artistic hedging when it comes to Iron Man. How many times has his faceplate seemed to somehow be smiling? HB
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Post by Doctor Bong Crosby on Mar 14, 2013 11:21:21 GMT -5
Speaking of just-noticed things: anybody else thought Moondragon needed pronto a cowboy hat to cover that obviously so sensitive bald pate of hers from the fierce western sun...? ;D Oh, it's terrible to become a sensible middle-aged person, I tell ya... .
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Post by spiderwasp on Mar 14, 2013 19:57:09 GMT -5
This was another of those characters that made me dig deep to come up with three covers - the Whizzer This was definitely his best cover This is not an awful cover but it's just the type that probably prompted word balloons to disappear. How could someone possibly have time to say "He - He knocked the whole building over on us. We'll be crushed!"but not have time to run away- especially if you are a super-speedster. That always bugged me inside the books too with speedster characters and others as well. Sometimes Hawkeye or Cap could deliver a whole monologue while an arrow or shield soared across the room. At first, I thought there wasn't another Whizzer cover appearance but lo and behold, here it is. If someone can find one with something better than just his head, please post it.
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Post by wundagoreborn on Mar 15, 2013 7:43:26 GMT -5
It breaks the rules, because it's not an Avengers cover. But when I think of for an intense cover featuring Whizzer, I picture Vision & Scarlet Witch, first series, #2.
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Post by humanbelly on Mar 15, 2013 8:06:08 GMT -5
It breaks the rules, because it's not an Avengers cover. But when I think of for an intense cover featuring Whizzer, I picture Vision & Scarlet Witch, first series, #2. That's a good one, WGB-- I'd totally bring it into the discussion, since VISION & THE SCARLET WITCH was a spin-off limited series of two characters known only as Avengers in the first place. Had to get scrappy to find the image. . . Is that a Ron Frenz cover? Am I remembering that right? Boy, I had to look through the covers of the following maxi-series as well--- and I have NO MEMORY, for the most part, of reading those books, which I know I bought faithfully. HB
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Post by wundagoreborn on Mar 15, 2013 13:17:29 GMT -5
Marvel wiki credits the cover to Rick Leonardi, who pencilled the story too.
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Post by humanbelly on Mar 15, 2013 13:22:14 GMT -5
Rick Leonardi, that's right-- thanks. Always kind of liked his pencils, but didn't think his style was a perfect fit for straightforward super-hero fare.
HB
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Post by spiderwasp on Mar 16, 2013 22:51:20 GMT -5
This character was the Rodney Dangerfield of the Avengers - She got no respect. Of course I mean Jocasta A nice cover. Jocasta comes across more as a damsel in distress than as a hero but that's okay. At this point, that's pretty much what she was. Again, not the most heroic of depictions but pretty good nevertheless Finally, she looks like a real Avenger. I didn't care for the Dark Reign storyline but, at least the cover gave her a decent depiction.
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Post by spiderwasp on Mar 18, 2013 17:45:17 GMT -5
This is one of those characters I like but I think he works better outside the Avengers than in it - the Falcon. I enjoyed his original run because it showed just that. Recent writers have been determined to make him a more important member though. This cover isn't all that special but most of his aren't. It's a shame too because he's a very interesting character visually. The actual pose on this is pretty good. Another great pose on a not so great cover Finally. This cover really does Sam justice.
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Post by wundagoreborn on Mar 19, 2013 6:02:12 GMT -5
LOVE the Falcon and that last cover is a thing of beauty indeed. Yesterday, I was rummaging a 25 cent box and found this interesting cover portrayal of Falcon. Incoming!! I also submit, for late consideration, this one for Hellcat:
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Post by spiderwasp on Mar 19, 2013 21:19:58 GMT -5
Ms. Marvel had some awesome covers on her own books, but not that great in Avengers - at least not that I could find. Notice that none of this choices have her in her new Captain Marvel costume. She looks just awful these days IMO. This issue was certainly not kind to her as a character but she did look good on the cover. This was a pretty interesting cover for Miss Scarlet, uhm I mean Ms. Marvel as Atlanta and everywhere else burns in the background. Okay, I hate including a title written by you know who for anything and, in all honesty, the cover isn't all that great but the pickins were kind of slim.
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Post by humanbelly on Mar 20, 2013 4:48:45 GMT -5
Ms. Marvel had some awesome covers on her own books, but not that great in Avengers - at least not that I could find. Notice that none of this choices have her in her new Captain Marvel costume. She looks just awful these days IMO. . I know this is a bit tangential, but seeing the masked Ms. Marvel had me wondering-- does Carol still have a secret identity? Which then led me to asking- how many folks besides Spidey have an undisclosed "civilian" identity these days? Was putting an end to that convention one of the purposes of Civil War, do you suppose? HB
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Post by ultron69 on Mar 20, 2013 7:15:49 GMT -5
This was a pretty interesting cover for Miss Scarlet, uhm I mean Ms. Marvel as Atlanta and everywhere else burns in the background. Wow, Carol, I get the "point" here, if you take my meaning.
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Post by wundagoreborn on Mar 20, 2013 8:49:59 GMT -5
Yes, her chin is rather sharp there. The pose, especially the hands, in this one strikes me like the figure was drawn as Tigra and then colored as Carol. "]
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Post by humanbelly on Mar 20, 2013 18:48:24 GMT -5
Yes, her chin is rather sharp there. Oh, this'll be the tangent to kill them all, but. . . since the issue has been breached (broached?): In college, I was in the modern dance company for my last two years, and there was simply no question that the bigger-chested girls (and most of the rest as well) wore brassieres under their leotards and danskins. Or even the equivalent of early sports-bras. Clearly, it was physically uncomfortable for them not to do so, and the lack of support otherwise would hamper their ability to move quickly and freely and expressively. I have ALWAYS found the need for latter-day artists to draw our heroines- without exception- as though they'd never even owned a support undergarment for their upper torso laughable and even slightly embarrassing. My point? Oh, it's the usual curmudgeony fussing, but-- these super-women are all basically ATHLETES, and underneath the gaudy costuming, they would still outfit themselves in that manner, right? Not as runway models, certainly. Interestingly, I happened to look through an old Archie comic from, like, the 40's, maybe? Betty & Veronica were both portrayed with perhaps a touch more being visible beneath their blouses than one would ever expect. A definite suggestion. Who knew? HB (about whom NO ONE wants to speculate what's goin' on under the outer layer-!)
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Post by spiderwasp on Mar 20, 2013 20:08:42 GMT -5
Now that we've got HB on a role about women and how they dress - what a perfect time to introduce TIGRA! While not the most heroic of images, this cover really does a good job of expressing what Tigra's character was like at this point. I haven't done many consecutive issues for any character but I thought this one was interesting. I'm not sure if I like it all that much but it's very interesting. This was one of Tigra's most important issues as it helped her turn a corner on her fear and it's a pretty nice cover to boot. As a strange side-note - I was surprised when I googled "West Coast Avengers covers Tigra" how many porn drawings someone had posted featuring Tigra with Black Knight, Moon Knight, Cap and others. Wasn't expecting that. Now, I wonder how many people will do that google search out of curiosity - lol.
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Post by ultron69 on Mar 21, 2013 9:17:53 GMT -5
Yes, her chin is rather sharp there. Oh, this'll be the tangent to kill them all, but. . . since the issue has been breached (broached?): In college, I was in the modern dance company for my last two years, and there was simply no question that the bigger-chested girls (and most of the rest as well) wore brassieres under their leotards and danskins. Or even the equivalent of early sports-bras. Clearly, it was physically uncomfortable for them not to do so, and the lack of support otherwise would hamper their ability to move quickly and freely and expressively. I have ALWAYS found the need for latter-day artists to draw our heroines- without exception- as though they'd never even owned a support undergarment for their upper torso laughable and even slightly embarrassing. My point? Oh, it's the usual curmudgeony fussing, but-- these super-women are all basically ATHLETES, and underneath the gaudy costuming, they would still outfit themselves in that manner, right? Not as runway models, certainly. You don't think these ladies would want to fight crime in high heels and thongs? Aw, what do you know?
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Post by wundagoreborn on Mar 21, 2013 14:03:10 GMT -5
I haven't done many consecutive issues for any character but I thought this one was interesting. I'm not sure if I like it all that much but it's very interesting. . Yes, it's interesting, but it fails totally to do what the 215 cover does. The fierce expression does not at all capture how torn Tigra was when she got that shot to kill Owie. Re: "Ladies' Intimates" department - HB's logical objection is right on, but I don't bite the hand that teases me.
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Post by spiderwasp on Mar 21, 2013 20:32:34 GMT -5
Tonights entry is another of my personal favorites - the sensational She-Hulk. However, like Ms. Marvel, she has had some great covers to her own books but not that many great ones for the Avengers. For some reason, when Jen gets nicely featured, it's often when she's on a rampage. Not one of my favorite covers but she does come across as a force to be reckoned with. This is a really nice cover IMO
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