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Post by bobc on May 22, 2015 13:45:41 GMT -5
Did you all get the latest Avengers World? It is suddenly feeding into Hickman's Cabal storyline(s) and I am completely lost. It is mass chaos. Can anyone tellwhere this story fits into the overall timeline?
Oh and have you guys bought A Force, the all female Avengers? There is zero explanation as to why this team exists or how it fits into the other books.And why is She Hulk the leader with characters like Wasp and Medusa around?
Sigh...this is sad.
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Post by humanbelly on May 22, 2015 20:34:45 GMT -5
Oh and have you guys bought A Force, the all female Avengers? There is zero explanation as to why this team exists or how it fits into the other books.And why is She Hulk the leader with characters like Wasp and Medusa around? Sigh...this is sad. Even though I'm not buying any of these titles and have almost no point of reference. . . I still find myself compelled to submit that She-Hulk would make a very, very solid team leader in almost any circumstance I can think of. Historically she is, if anything, a far more Alpha personality than either Jan or Medusa, y'know? That doesn't take anything away from either of them, mind you-- I just want to speak up for Jen at the QB position, y'know? HB
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Post by starfoxxx on May 23, 2015 9:22:01 GMT -5
Did you all get the latest Avengers World? It is suddenly feeding into Hickman's Cabal storyline(s) and I am completely lost. It is mass chaos. Can anyone tellwhere this story fits into the overall timeline? Oh and have you guys bought A Force, the all female Avengers? There is zero explanation as to why this team exists or how it fits into the other books.And why is She Hulk the leader with characters like Wasp and Medusa around? Sigh...this is sad. comicperday.blogspot.com/2015/05/a-force-1.htmlyeah, after reading this ( a pretty good blog, IMO) I decided to save my $4.
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Post by spiderwasp on May 24, 2015 1:12:23 GMT -5
Did you all get the latest Avengers World? It is suddenly feeding into Hickman's Cabal storyline(s) and I am completely lost. It is mass chaos. Can anyone tellwhere this story fits into the overall timeline? Oh and have you guys bought A Force, the all female Avengers? There is zero explanation as to why this team exists or how it fits into the other books.And why is She Hulk the leader with characters like Wasp and Medusa around? Sigh...this is sad. Spoiler alerts here...sort of. Yep. Just bought it. I couldn't resist because I love so many of the female characters. Didn't understand a single thing. What is this Arcadia world they're living in? Why is Doom in charge? Why is Dr. Strange the sheriff? Did Dazzler go back to her original costume in other books or just here? Why is Namorita alive? Why is Sam Wilson one of the Thors? What are the Thors? The craziest part of the whole issue, for me, had to be the ending. Why? Because they ended it with a mystery line of "Who...are you?" I laughed out loud at the fact that I was supposed to be interested in this question when it was no more mysterious than every single other thing that occured in the book. Arghhhh!
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Post by Marvel Boy on May 24, 2015 16:23:02 GMT -5
Hey Marvel Boy! I really like your "cornerbox" avatar! I miss those....I guess with Hickman's "Expanded" Avengers roster, a cornerbox woulod take up the whole page! Thanks. It's the cornerbox from Avengers #227, my very first issue of the team. I miss cornerboxes, one of the more distinctive elements unique to the medium.
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Post by Marvel Boy on May 24, 2015 16:39:02 GMT -5
Did you all get the latest Avengers World? It is suddenly feeding into Hickman's Cabal storyline(s) and I am completely lost. It is mass chaos. Can anyone tellwhere this story fits into the overall timeline? Oh and have you guys bought A Force, the all female Avengers? There is zero explanation as to why this team exists or how it fits into the other books.And why is She Hulk the leader with characters like Wasp and Medusa around? Sigh...this is sad. Spoiler alerts here...sort of. Yep. Just bought it. I couldn't resist because I love so many of the female characters. Didn't understand a single thing. What is this Arcadia world they're living in? Why is Doom in charge? Why is Dr. Strange the sheriff? Did Dazzler go back to her original costume in other books or just here? Why is Namorita alive? Why is Sam Wilson one of the Thors? What are the Thors? The craziest part of the whole issue, for me, had to be the ending. Why? Because they ended it with a mystery line of "Who...are you?" I laughed out loud at the fact that I was supposed to be interested in this question when it was no more mysterious than every single other thing that occured in the book. Arghhhh! Arcadia is one of the baronies/kingdoms that comprise Battleworld. As for why or how Doom is in charge, we don't know. IN SW #1, he was seen meeting with the Beyonders, the powerful alien race that either started the Incursions or helped facilitate them. As for your questions about Strange, Namorita and Sam, we don't know why yet. The Thors are the corps responsible for enforcing Doom's laws, the cops of Battleworld. Your question about Dazzler hits upon a nagging point so far about this event, which version of our characters are we reading of? Is this Dazzler from our universe or the Ultimate Universe or a remnant of a destroyed universe? I've read hints elsewhere that Strange is indeed our 616 Strange. With A-Force, this is compounded because the women seem to be from different stages of the MU judging by the costumes they are wearing. Pixie, a mutant and member of the X-Men, is wearing her X-uniform. Did the X-Men exist in this world? I mean, we even have Jean Grey walking around in her Phoenix uniform. So is this version of her imbued with the power of the Phoenix Force? The simple answer so far is that we know little of the history of Battleworld at the moment. Indications seem to point to their being a long history of this world but of what nature is unknown. As for A-Force, I enjoyed the actual story, what happened within it, but the surrounding setup was confusing. Why have all these females gathered here in Arcadia? Who founded the A-Force? How and why is She-Hulk in charge? (As for the ending, that is apparently a new mysterious character called Singularity) What's really odd, I've read reports that when the MU is reborn or reset after SW, A-Force will be one element that makes the transition into the proper MU. So whatever their origin, they are apparently here to stay.
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Post by starfoxxx on May 25, 2015 17:46:59 GMT -5
Okay, this seems to be he thread to talk about new Avengers title...I just read Uncanny Avengers #4 and I'm actually kind of glad this title will disappear after #5....it's just not that good. What the heck is up with Quicksilver's dialogue/"voice" ? I NEVER remember Pietro saying "hey", "I'm gonna.." or "this guy". He always had a "regal", well-spoken, superior "voice". And that costume is horrible. And the High Evolutionary has always been a lame villain, IMO. I'm just not into a PINK villain. And even back in the "good old days", HE and his story/motives has always been confusing. Now Pietro and Wanda are involved, somehow, I really don't care what's happening at this point. The only real positive I have is Wanda and Rogue's new looks. But the art in this issue wasn't Acuna's best, IMO. And Marvel goes all out with a DOUBLE FOLD-OUT promotion for all the SECRET WARS titles-- None of which interest me..(well, maybe that SQUADRON SINISTER book). OLD MAN LOGAN would be a great franchise for Marvel to launch- if they had stuck with Millar instead of handing it off to BMB (already??). Too bad the Marvel movies capture the spirit of the MU much better than the actual modern COMIC BOOKS! I'll buy Uncanny AVengers #5, mostly to support my LCS who has been pulling UA for me since the beginning. Then that looks like that's it for me, none of the Secret Wars stuff looks interesting, and the reviews on these boards don't look reassuring (so far). The ONLY comics I'll have on my pull-list will be STAR WARS and DARTH VADER. (Both are excellent, IMO. Anyone who wants to talk about the new Marvel STAR WARS comic, let's do it!) PEACE, starfoxxx
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Post by spiderwasp on May 25, 2015 21:13:51 GMT -5
And Marvel goes all out with a DOUBLE FOLD-OUT promotion for all the SECRET WARS titles-- None of which interest me..(well, maybe that SQUADRON SINISTER book). OLD MAN LOGAN would be a great franchise for Marvel to launch- if they had stuck with Millar instead of handing it off to BMB (already??). Too bad the Marvel movies capture the spirit of the MU much better than the actual modern COMIC BOOKS! There's going to be a Squadron Sinister book? Okay, that I might have some interest in too and that's exactly how I feel about the movies. It's really uncanny how often we think just alike. I have a feeling we could be really good friends if we lived near each other. lol
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Post by starfoxxx on May 26, 2015 14:30:39 GMT -5
There's going to be a Squadron Sinister book? Okay, that I might have some interest in too and that's exactly how I feel about the movies. It's really uncanny how often we think just alike. I have a feeling we could be really good friends if we lived near each other. lol Well, we're not quite strangers, just friends who haven't met......yet. I am also "amazed" how "uncanny" it is I usually agree with spiderwasp and bobc. I am 40, started reading comic @1983-4 and knew enough about what I considered quality comics to get out of collecting right before the Image/McFarlane nonsense around 1991. I got back into comics with Busiek/Perez Avengers reboot, mostly just Avengers and the quirky X-force/X-Statix book, then started "collecting" again around Avengers Disassembled. So maybe we are contemporaries, as far as comics go. I'm a big-time Marvel Legends collector (not a completest, I just want the characters from my youth that Never had action figures, like Batroc or Hellcat). And I live in DELAWARE. BTW, Anybody reading the new Marvel STAR WARS comics???
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Post by bobc on May 29, 2015 11:06:54 GMT -5
Thanks for the link to that blog, Starry. Hah! I am telling you these books are so shamelesly mimicking Game of Thrones, it's just ridiculous. Glad I'm hardly the only one who noticed this.
I agree that Quicksilver doesn't speak the way we remember but on the other hand, which Quicksilver is this? There are so many parallel universes, timelines, worlds--who can say? I don't if you read my post about how Hickman had THANOS saying "How goes it?" to Maximus. Now does that sound like Thanos? Come on. Spiderman maybe, but not Thanos.
Re: A-Force. The book is one of the worst written Marvel comics I have ever read. I have wanted an all female team since the Lady Liberators appeared in Avengers #83. They promised to return, but never did.
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Post by bobc on May 29, 2015 11:09:33 GMT -5
While I liked the blog you linked to, Starry, I take issue with the megaladon being beautifully drawn. No. That isn't what they looked like. Whatever those spikey gill things were--pure fantasy. Megladon was just a great white but much bigger. My fossil hunter BS detector is glowing read!
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Post by bobc on May 29, 2015 12:55:10 GMT -5
Marvel Boy--without giving away much in the way of spoilers, Dr Doom has been revealed to be Rabum Alal--a supreme God over all other Gods
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Post by humanbelly on May 29, 2015 15:32:54 GMT -5
Marvel Boy--without giving away much in the way of spoilers, Dr Doom has been revealed to be Rabum Alal--a supreme God over all other Gods *sigh* I fear, bobc, that your concern over spoiling anything may be misplaced. I think this particular Denmark was rotten long before you came onto the scene. . . (I can't believe how awful all of this sounds. Just. . . just lazy and grandiose and unconsidered and masturbatory and illegitimate. That's without having read a word of any of it, of course. . . ) HB
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Post by humanbelly on May 29, 2015 16:05:35 GMT -5
While I liked the blog you linked to, Starry, I take issue with the megaladon being beautifully drawn. No. That isn't what they looked like. Whatever those spikey gill things were--pure fantasy. Megladon was just a great white but much bigger. My fossil hunter BS detector is glowing read! Y'know. . . we have a framed fragment of Mosasaur jawbone (w/ teeth) hanging on our mantle. . . And a terrific Trilobite reclamation piece in our foyer. . . And-- hoo-boy-- a 90-lb Orthoceras cluster on a big granite slab across from the piano. . . That stuff. . . it's just never NOT cool, y'knowattamean? (Actually, the middle and latter pieces belong to HBWife, believe it or not--) HB
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Post by starfoxxx on May 29, 2015 16:35:35 GMT -5
While I liked the blog you linked to, Starry, I take issue with the megaladon being beautifully drawn. No. That isn't what they looked like. Whatever those spikey gill things were--pure fantasy. Megladon was just a great white but much bigger. My fossil hunter BS detector is glowing read! I'm lost here... What link/blog has a megaladon? Sorry, I'm confused.
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Post by Marvel Boy on May 30, 2015 12:58:47 GMT -5
Marvel Boy--without giving away much in the way of spoilers, Dr Doom has been revealed to be Rabum Alal--a supreme God over all other Gods Really? Okay, now I'm confused. Did this happen before or after the final Incursion? For I thought Alal was mentioned before as a potential suspect for the origin of the incursions. In spite of the GoT similarities, there hasn't been enough background given about Battleworld's history to make sense of all this. Bobc, you may resent the switching of gears genre-wise but I'm content to leave behind all of Hickman's pseudo-technobabble for once, it forces him to focus on actual characterization for a change. What tie-ins that I've read have been enjoyable but the overall SW storyline seems wedged into it. The A-Force story itself was okay but the surrounding set-up for it was confusing. X-Men '92, based on the cartoon, was a blast to read, pitch-perfect in characterization and dialogue, but then went sideways with the arrival of Baron Robert Kelly (who rules this kingdom of Westchester). Some of these concepts are strong enough to stand on their own but it's like I have to put up with all this SW nonsense in order to read and enjoy them. @starfoxx I've been loving the Star Wars comic so far, in fact, I've enjoyed all the SW titles that Marvel has been publishing. Homicidal assassin droids in Vader, Leia searching for survivors of Alderaan, exploring the past of Kanan from the new Rebels cartoon, I'm also looking forward to the upcoming Lando mini-series. It's also been confirmed that Greg Rucka will be writing a mini-series that will help bridge the gap between the RoTJ and the upcoming Episode VII The Force Awakens.
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Post by bobc on May 30, 2015 14:38:18 GMT -5
Starry you posted a link to a blog on page 6 of this thread, and it mentions how well drawn the megaladon is.
HB glad to meet another fossil fan!
MB--I don't resent the switching of gears. I just don't like blatant copying. My God, the home of Baron Sinister is Bar Sinister. Anybody remember Simon Bar Sinister from Underdog?
You have a point that the switch to a Sword and Sorcery theme was just too quick and jarring.
And for those asking about continuity--there is none.
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Post by bobc on May 30, 2015 15:00:18 GMT -5
Adding to the chaos is that currently there are at least 15 different variations of Captain America in different comics at the same time. There is Steve rogers as an old man, Steve Rogers regular aged in another, then you have The Falcon as Captain America. Then there is a Ms. America, who is female and apparently Hispanic. In another comic there is a black female Captain America. I could go on.
If that wasn't bad enough, now there is a Thor "corps." Hundreds of Thors, copying GOT's Knight Watch.
Also there is a version of the FF where Reed is a farmer. But in another book, Johnny, Ben and Sue are dead and Reed is a villain. Then there is the "back in blue" FF where all are alive. And let's not forget another book where Sue is working for Shield, who are hunting Reed Richards and the Illuminati. This is all within about one month of comics. I'm probably forgetting other variations of the FF.
It is mass chaos and it is getting worse every day. I'm not enjoying 95% of what I'm buying. I picked up 3 comics Thursday and it came to over $16.
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Post by bobc on May 30, 2015 15:13:31 GMT -5
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Post by spiderwasp on May 31, 2015 2:24:06 GMT -5
Adding to the chaos is that currently there are at least 15 different variations of Captain America in different comics at the same time. There is Steve rogers as an old man, Steve Rogers regular aged in another, then you have The Falcon as Captain America. Then there is a Ms. America, who is female and apparently Hispanic. In another comic there is a black female Captain America. I could go on. If that wasn't bad enough, now there is a Thor "corps." Hundreds of Thors, copying GOT's Knight Watch. Also there is a version of the FF where Reed is a farmer. But in another book, Johnny, Ben and Sue are dead and Reed is a villain. Then there is the "back in blue" FF where all are alive. And let's not forget another book where Sue is working for Shield, who are hunting Reed Richards and the Illuminati. This is all within about one month of comics. I'm probably forgetting other variations of the FF. It is mass chaos and it is getting worse every day. I'm not enjoying 95% of what I'm buying. I picked up 3 comics Thursday and it came to over $16. Wow Bob, thanks for making me feel better than ever about all the money I'm saving not buying this crap. That sounds utterly, completely awful. I'm enjoying Ant-man, Silver Surfer, and Howard the Duck. I picked up the first A Force but won't buy any more until things settle from Secret War and I find out what direction it will be heading. Otherwise, I can't find a thing worth investing my comic $ on. Sad really.
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Post by humanbelly on May 31, 2015 10:32:58 GMT -5
Adding to the chaos is that currently there are at least 15 different variations of Captain America in different comics at the same time. There is Steve rogers as an old man, Steve Rogers regular aged in another, then you have The Falcon as Captain America. Then there is a Ms. America, who is female and apparently Hispanic. In another comic there is a black female Captain America. I could go on. If that wasn't bad enough, now there is a Thor "corps." Hundreds of Thors, copying GOT's Knight Watch. Also there is a version of the FF where Reed is a farmer. But in another book, Johnny, Ben and Sue are dead and Reed is a villain. Then there is the "back in blue" FF where all are alive. And let's not forget another book where Sue is working for Shield, who are hunting Reed Richards and the Illuminati. This is all within about one month of comics. I'm probably forgetting other variations of the FF. It is mass chaos and it is getting worse every day. I'm not enjoying 95% of what I'm buying. I picked up 3 comics Thursday and it came to over $16. Wow Bob, thanks for making me feel better than ever about all the money I'm saving not buying this crap. That sounds utterly, completely awful. I'm enjoying Ant-man, Silver Surfer, and Howard the Duck. I picked up the first A Force but won't buy any more until things settle from Secret War and I find out what direction it will be heading. Otherwise, I can't find a thing worth investing my comic $ on. Sad really. Same from me, Bobc ol' pal-! I got a little ways into that link, and then I was forced to admit- "I can't read this. I just can't read this."-- and clicked it away. Not to mention: Three comic books. Sixteen dollars. Three. Comic. Books. Six. Teen. Dollars. T. H. R. E. E (okay, okay, I can only Bendis-ize the point so far. You get what I mean.) I mean-- as the primary grocery-buyer & cook in our household, I can tell you that $16 is more than a basic meal for four costs when you're cooking from scratch. "Sorry family-- no dinner tonight. I bought myself three comic books instead!" We're not poor or strapped at all, but-- it's simply unconscionable, to my thinking. . . HB
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Post by bobc on May 31, 2015 14:16:08 GMT -5
It gets worse, HB. I picked up a few Secret Wars related issues and thumbed through them. Two were giant sized as we used to say back in the day, but they were split into separate stories--and guess what? Not only was the art like something a child would draw, but some of the stories were black and white! NO COLOR. They are charging that much money and you don't even get color. It is ridiculous.
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Post by Marvel Boy on May 31, 2015 19:31:48 GMT -5
A good deal of the tie-ins deal with alternate realities/futures. That accounts for the many different versions of the same character(s). Trouble is, there has been little sign or info about the 616 characters that survived on the Raft from SW #1.
Adding to the confusion is the slippery time scale. In the X-related Inferno tie-in, 4-5 years have passed. So, is that 4-5 years in just that domain or has that amount of time actually passed on Battleworld? Unknown at this moment.
I'm being very selective over which of these titles to buy (you're right bobc, at today's prices, you deserve to be entertained for the money spent. Man, do I miss the days when just 5 dollars could buy you the majority of Marvel's monthly titles). Spider-Man Renew Your Vows looks too interesting to pass up (basically what if One More Day had never happened?) Peter David writing Future Imperfect with Maestro looks decent. Given their prevalence, there are more X-related titles than Avengers although the upcoming Korvac Saga may be worth checking out, at least the first issue to see what it's about.
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Post by bobc on Jun 1, 2015 8:14:37 GMT -5
I know it's all about characters from different timelines and realities--but it's just too much. I mean where does the book Inhumans fit into any of this, for instance? Or A-Force? It's almost like Secret Wars was supposed to kind of bring the Marvel Universe together, but if anything it's made things worse.
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Post by bobc on Jun 1, 2015 9:13:06 GMT -5
This is a link to a podcast that explains EVERYTHING that has happened in New Avengers and Avengers. If you are prone to panic attacks, I wouldn't view it. It's unbelievably complicated.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jun 7, 2015 9:46:53 GMT -5
Well, we start to get some answers here in SW #3. Doom and Strange (and possibly Molecule Man) are responsible for the creation of Battleworld, Strange made the choice not to become a god which allowed Doom to become so. They tried to save what they could but had to replace what they couldn't. So the world is comprised of the remnants of actual Incursion points of the different universes.
Then, Doom and Strange had to streamline everyone's memories to make them conform to the new false history. Most of everyone here doesn't remember what came before. Now whether this was done through Doom's new godhood or one of Strange's spells or a combination of both, is unknown.
Doom and Strange have a partnership built upon mutual respect, which does seem odd at first. Does anyone know of any previous meetings between the two before all of this? I can only recall the Triumph and Torment GN by Stern and Mignola, where Doom solicits Strange's help in rescuing his mother's soul from Mephisto.
8 years have passed since the destruction of the MU. Strange found the Raft vessel holding our remaining heroes 3 years ago but held them in stasis until he released them here (after learning of the other Raft vessel the Thor Corps had found that held the Cabal). T'Challa, Reed, and the others are naturally upset and angry over the current situation but Strange begins to justify his decisions by claiming that Doom is actually very good at playing God....
Meanwhile, on the loose, the Cabal are investigating this unusual world when the Thor Corps finds them.
So far, this is the most that I've ever enjoyed Hickman's work. Some questions are answered while more questions are raised, the dialogue and characterizations are good, and while the GoT similarities may be inevitable and perhaps inescapable, the layers of creation that went into this new world are very interesting (the growing myth surrounding the Man in the Sun aka Johnny Storm for example). Ribic's art continues to amaze.
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Post by bobc on Jun 7, 2015 11:02:25 GMT -5
I'm with you, MB. This issue was more coherent. I am wondering how Reed Richards and Susan Richards are going to interact, seeing that she is now apparently Doom's wife.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jun 14, 2015 8:32:29 GMT -5
Based on her conversation with Doom in this issue, I wonder how much Sue may have been 'brainwashed' by Doom. She admits to her continued feelings of love for Johnny yet she seemed very willing to acquiesce to the punishment Doom enacted upon him. Strange's comments over adjusting memories may have some part to play in this as well. Would Sue even remember Reed at this point? Or would the sight of him be enough to start jogging her previous memory, that this place and history isn't 'right'?
I also liked Doom's comments in that conversation, about how, with so much power, he is still unable to heal himself. Or that while his creation of this world may be perfect, he considers himself to be the one flawed creature within that perfection. An interesting insight that I think fits well with his characterization.
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Post by bobc on Jun 15, 2015 11:11:20 GMT -5
Those are great questions, MB, but unfortunately I have no answers.
I'm sort of liking Doom as kinder and gentler for some reason.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jul 10, 2015 10:06:39 GMT -5
Secret Wars #4...Strange becomes aware of the Cabal's location, since they are currently in battle with members of the Thor Corps. A Thor prays to Doom for guidance and assistance and Doom observes the situation along with Sue and Valeria. Valeria reports that these beings, while being represented elsewhere in other domains/kingdoms, are significantly more powerful than those other versions.
But it's not till Strange arrives on-scene, with the 616 survivors in tow, that Doom decides to take a personal interest in the matter. For he spots Reed...the only Reed that he's been able to find throughout the parallel histories of Battleworld. Doom teleports to the battle site, where he engages in conversation with Reed and Thanos.
But Cyclops, imbued with the power of a Phoenix Egg, steps up to admonish Doom and attacks. Doom gets the upper hand and ends up snapping Cyclop's neck, apparently killing him. In the melee, Strange teleports all the 616 survivors and the Cabal away, spreading them across Battleworld (with the possible exception of Black Panther). Afterwards, Strange confronts Doom, telling him that even after going so far as to steal everything of Reed's life for himself and despite his awesome power, Doom still fears Reed...and rightfully so. Doom then, apparently, strikes Strange down, killing him.
Wow, you get a strong sense of the power that Doom commands in this new world. The conversation he has with Reed and Thanos was interesting, as was Stephen's accusations against Doom. I've read elsewhere that Strange may have pulled a trick here with T'Challa, something similar to what they did when they first interrogated Black Swan in NA. Strange may have turned T'Challa invisible, so as to witness his later talk with Doom. He may have also transferred his magical Eye over to T'Challa as well, but I'm unsure of that.
My only nitpick is with Scott. His finding a Phoenix Egg was Bendis' idea in UXM, we still don't know what all that means, and now he's apparently dead with little rhyme nor reason. I hope Hickman didn't bring him along just to serve as cannon fodder for Doom.
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