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Post by tomspasic on May 31, 2013 3:02:04 GMT -5
It's a really good comic in my opinion. Yes we are still mired in some glacially moving, impenetrable over-arching storyline that may seem pompous and obtuse. Yes, one might argue that "not much happened" and that it's decompressed. But this is an example of good decompression, of actually giving space to see who the characters are, and how they act. Yeah, that's pretty much how I feel about this issue. It's a good character study, had some good moments from both Hyperion and Thor, Spidey-Ock's comments were funny, even Tony tele-commuting from deep space was decent. But that it's tied in with this glacially paced story is what drags it down some. Another facet of Hickman's storytelling that I find annoying is the length of time taken between the various sub-plots. What is going on with Starbrand and Nightmask? How many issues before we learn what Shang-Chi's team accomplished? Will the appearance of the High Evolutionary here be followed up on in the next issue or next month's issue? Sub-plots are fine and welcome, but at least touch upon what is going on with them each issue. I feel it will help immensely to read this title in TPB. You are entirely correct. This is being not just "written for the TPB" but actually "written for the Omnibus". A monthly reader has a really hard time both remembering but also caring about those longer range plot points. The shame of it is, with a freaking recap page every month, that they don't at least give a nod to all the balls in the air. What about those weird Alt. Universe ships from a while back? Were those just flavour for the white event, or will that resurface? I'm one of the people who actually really like this iteration of Avengers, but I'm not completely blind to it's faults, and probably it's main one is it's Omnibus-Pace.
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Post by bobc on May 31, 2013 8:19:17 GMT -5
I like it too but wish it would move as quickly and be as focused as the first few issues.
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Post by Shiryu on May 31, 2013 17:41:07 GMT -5
IMHO, it was ok. Some nice moments of characterization, and I really like Deodato Jr's artwork, but, seriously, it felt like reading a fill-in issue. Some point and meaning may eventually emerge, but Hickman's pacing here is even worse than Bendis'. He is doing a far better work over at New Avengers.
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Post by tomspasic on Jun 9, 2013 4:13:23 GMT -5
So another issue of this comic came out, and some stuff happened and there was writing and drawings and stuff...
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Post by starfoxxx on Jun 9, 2013 9:32:09 GMT -5
I skimmed through the newest ish at my LCS----and it looked like a hot mess!
I'm glad I dropped this $4 steaming turd of a title----the art looked messy and rushed, IMO.
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Post by tomspasic on Jun 10, 2013 18:41:13 GMT -5
Well, it had some fight scenes, and further character development. I wouldn't call it a "turd", by any means. But, there were WAAAAAAY too many full page or near-enough full page spreads for a book spending 3 pages on title/credit/recap. (And yes, I'm still complaining about that). If you liked what came before, you'd probably like this issue, if you didn't, it's kind of more of the same, so you still wion't.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jun 11, 2013 23:18:31 GMT -5
Actually, #13 is probably the best issue I've enjoyed of this title so far.
Why? Because it has a definitive plot, with established goals, with a beginning, middle and end.
High Evolutionary kidnaps kids to help resurrect Terminus to whom the Avengers defeat while rescuing the kids. If it wasn't tied into this glacial story, it would almost be a decent Done-In-One story (remember those?)
The Thor/Hyperion friendship is still interesting, but SpideyOck's comments were annoying. Has no one noticed the change in his attitude??
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Post by bobc on Jun 16, 2013 11:11:17 GMT -5
I love the artistic imagery in this comic. I love the weird symbols, the environments--and loved the final shot of Terminus frozen in the pose he died in. Very effective and memorable art!
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jun 27, 2013 21:07:02 GMT -5
So.....issue #14........the scenes with the teams effecting rescues and gathering intel, good usage of teamwork and focus.
As for the other stuff, I'm beginning to think I am not enough of a pseudo-intellectual to truly understand this material, I'm merely hoping that some of it, if not most of it, will be properly explained at some point.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jul 21, 2013 10:36:27 GMT -5
Issue #15.....pretty pictures, that's about it.
My frustrations stem from the fact that I don't know who the ultimate bad guy here is or what their ultimate goal is. The teams are trying to handle these bomb sites and stop some...sort..of signal but who is signalling whom and why? I feel like I'm missing a part of the picture.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Sept 22, 2013 11:12:52 GMT -5
Oh my, I'm a bit behind here. We're up to #19 but I haven't gotten that yet via mail so my last issue was actually #18.
The Infinity event has begun!
After handling those bomb sites, the team bolsters their ranks significantly for their upcoming fight with the mysterious Builders. With Thor, Hyperion, Smasher, Capt. Universe, adding Nightmask and Starbrand, not mention getting Ex Nihlio and Abyss to join as well, this is the most powerful Avengers grouping I've seen in quite awhile.
They join the Galactic Council's war efforts against the Builders (consisting of the Sh'iar, Kree, Brood, and the remnants of the Skrull Empire).
What I found strange is that, normally, whenever the Avengers join in some cosmic fray, they usually just butt their way in, handle things in their own unique way, and whoever else is involved plays catch-up. But here, Cap makes the group into just another squad/platoon in Gladiator's assembled army. Even Clint makes the snarky comment to Cap over how does it feel taking orders again.
The Avengers participate in an ambush of the Builders' fleet near a black hole, things go horribly wrong, and an Avengers team on a Quinjet space plane face the possibility of being sucked into the black hole.
I like the pace better here, no more quasi-philosophy, just action and reaction. I may even check out the actual Infinity event mini, seeing as the reviews I've read of it elsewhere, Hickman seems to be doing a much better job as an event writer/manager than Bendis did on AOU (or in general for that matter).
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Post by Marvel Boy on Sept 25, 2013 20:39:16 GMT -5
Alright! I get my copy of #19 in the mail on the same day #20 is released. :lol:
This issue sees an Avengers squad (lead by Carol and Clint) in a damaged Quinjet that is being sucked into a black hole, escape only to be captured by the Builders' fleet. Carol is interrogated because the Builders are extremely curious as to how humans have an Abyss, a Nightmask, and a Starbrand amongst their ranks.
Meanwhile, Cap and the rest regroup with the shattered remnants of Gladiator's coalition fleet as they plan their next move.
While the recap pages help (in case you're not reading the main Infinity mini), these issues really do feel like part of a larger canvas epic if you are reading the main mini. There's action, intrigue, and drama here, a nice change of pace and quality from the early issues.
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Post by Shiryu on Sept 26, 2013 18:03:01 GMT -5
It does read like a novel split up in multiple parts and books. The problem with such structure is having very little Avengers in an Avengers title. So far I would say Infinity is ok, but nothing special. The Thanos storyline looks the more interesting of the two.
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Post by bobc on Oct 4, 2013 8:29:02 GMT -5
I am absolutely loving everything Hickman is doing--especially New Avengers. It's not old school, but I love it.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Oct 4, 2013 8:59:04 GMT -5
Issue #20.....I will say, at the beginning of this title, I wasn't all that thrilled over Ex Nihilio and Abyss, but now that Hickman is expanding their role and focusing on their reactions and actions to the Builder's devastation, I'm growing to like the pair more.
The pair may have just helped plant the seeds of revolt amongst the other Gardeners of the Builders, given how they feel obsolete ever since the Builders engineered their New Universal system.
Cap's master plan now....surrender?! Waiting for his other boot to drop on this plan.
It may not seem like the Avengers are the sole focus in their own title anymore, but Hickman is weaving a huge tapestry here, of which the Avengers are playing a major part. So far, I'm enjoying it.
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Post by tomspasic on Oct 31, 2013 8:18:50 GMT -5
I just read #22 and am unimpressed. I get that in a mega crossover there may be issues where less happens, but in this issue virtually nothing happens. And seriously, we are now up to SIX interior pages devoted to credits/titles/whatever. This is no longer a matter of design choice, it's now just taking the piss. Bear in mind that the issue also features two full page spreads and a number of pages where one large panel dominates three or so others. And I'm not a massive fan of Yu, but this looks rushed and sketchy. Possibly the biweekly schedule is taking it's toll on both the writing and art, because both seem stretched and lacking here. It will probably read as OK within the vast Omnibus of Infinity and whatever else, but on it's own the issue smacks of filler, of having to put something out when the writer has nothing much to say. Theres some character work, but essentially this entire issue could have fit in the gutter between two panels in a Lee or Thomas story, because it can be summed up as "the Avengers start traveling from Titan to earth".
Overall, Infinity is still pretty decent, and one expects the odd bum note in a symphony, but I'm sort of looking forward to a time when we don't get filler issues because of a tight schedule.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Nov 15, 2013 22:44:40 GMT -5
I just read #22 and am unimpressed. I get that in a mega crossover there may be issues where less happens, but in this issue virtually nothing happens. And seriously, we are now up to SIX interior pages devoted to credits/titles/whatever. This is no longer a matter of design choice, it's now just taking the piss. Bear in mind that the issue also features two full page spreads and a number of pages where one large panel dominates three or so others. And I'm not a massive fan of Yu, but this looks rushed and sketchy. Possibly the biweekly schedule is taking it's toll on both the writing and art, because both seem stretched and lacking here. It will probably read as OK within the vast Omnibus of Infinity and whatever else, but on it's own the issue smacks of filler, of having to put something out when the writer has nothing much to say. Theres some character work, but essentially this entire issue could have fit in the gutter between two panels in a Lee or Thomas story, because it can be summed up as "the Avengers start traveling from Titan to earth". Overall, Infinity is still pretty decent, and one expects the odd bum note in a symphony, but I'm sort of looking forward to a time when we don't get filler issues because of a tight schedule. Totally agree. This is the first issue so far that's felt like complete filler material to me. Basically it was morale-boosting as the team (and their allies) head back to Earth. Although the Cannonball-Sunspot-Smasher scenes were nice.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Dec 4, 2013 17:48:10 GMT -5
#23 and the end of Infinity:
This issue was better, showing Cap's plan for re-taking the Peak space station and breaking Thano's blockade of Earth. I think the majority of the tie-in issues throughout have done rather well in expanding the drama and action of the main event.
Speaking of which, Infinity #6 sees a core squad of Avengers (consisting of Cap, Carol, Thor, Hyperion, and Hulk) take on Thanos and two of his strongest lieutenants, Corpus Glave and Proxima Midnight. It's a spectacular fight that's grounded amidst the drama of Thane, the last son of Thanos, deciding if he'll continues to deny his heritage or, stand up and accept his father's legacy.
I think Hickman's method of weaving this personal angst amidst the background of a brawl of titans was quite good. We learn the eventual fate of Thanos, the new status of the Kree, Sh'iar, and Skrull Empires, and the burgeoning chaos of the Inhumans.
Overall, this is the best event I've read from Marvel in quite awhile. For once, it was actually game-changing as it altered characters' statuses and created plenty of new and exciting story potentials.
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Post by bobc on Jan 2, 2014 8:48:36 GMT -5
I've been a huge fan of Hickman's Avengers/New Avengers but New Avengers 13 is horrible. There is a new artist whose work is beyond sketchy--half of his figures look like they are melting, and sometimes he doesn't even bother drawing faces on some of the characters. After Deodato's (sp) incredible art, this is such a let down. Look closely at the how Captain Mar-Vell is drawn in that first panel--half the face is missing. Hickman's writing is so dense and complicated that it must have clear, well drawn art to keep the story understandable. This is no match made in heaven. UHG. I'm sad.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jan 17, 2014 8:53:53 GMT -5
I've been a huge fan of Hickman's Avengers/New Avengers but New Avengers 13 is horrible. There is a new artist whose work is beyond sketchy--half of his figures look like they are melting, and sometimes he doesn't even bother drawing faces on some of the characters. After Deodato's (sp) incredible art, this is such a let down. Look closely at the how Captain Mar-Vell is drawn in that first panel--half the face is missing. Hickman's writing is so dense and complicated that it must have clear, well drawn art to keep the story understandable. This is no match made in heaven. UHG. I'm sad. Ah, Simone Bianchi, I believe. I've liked some of his work, notably on Astonishing X-Men with Warren Ellis, but he can be one of those hit-or-miss artists. I am getting behind but then again so is the US Post Office. Finally got my copy of #24 (even though it clearly has a big ol' #1 on the cover, being the start of a new arc/season/whatever. Marvel's numbering methods of late is enough to make you want to pull your hair out) For starters, my copy had a number of printing errors on three pages, the colors were off, the backgrounds whited out, and while dialogue balloons are there, there is no dialogue. This happens during the party scene twice and Tony's first talk with Future Iron Man. It definitely affected my view of this issue, which I must say, a lot happens, a bit too quickly for my tastes. We have a future intervention by an Iron Man, a new world threat in that 'someone' aimed a rogue planet at Earth and the future Iron Man helps enact a rather startling plan to save the Earth while also giving hints that Tony's actions (presumably in NA) are about to have real negative repercussions. I gather Hickman has all this planned out and resolutions (of some form) are coming, but the quick pace of this story, the possibilities raised (especially by what happened to the rogue planet) and the lingering questions left me dismayed by this issue. In this instance, I wouldn't have minded some decompression in order to better understand these events.
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Post by bobc on Feb 3, 2014 16:48:50 GMT -5
As an artist myself (for a living)I can say Bianchi's art in this issue is just frikkin' lazy as hell. On top of the fact that he often doesn't bother drawing faces (reminds me of Rob Liefeld and his hiding of feet), he also just blackens in close to a third of the characters in this book, by that I mean they are just basically silhouettes. That is beyond lazy. I'm paying $4 an issue for this? Come on man just show some effort. I just went to Marvel.com and apparently New Avengers 14 is coming out but this time I'm not gonna be a chump and buy it without checking to see if I'm getting my money's worth art-wise.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Feb 7, 2014 21:03:41 GMT -5
#25 - On top of having a parallel universe version of the Illuminati running around in NA, now we have a parallel universe Avengers team turn up, courtesy of AIM's inter-dimensional portal thingy device.
Taken from a universe beset by the same collision event phenomenon that's been threatening ever since Hickman took over, this Avengers team features a semblance of a classic line-up but their attitudes and demeanor suggest a more harsher outlook on life and their duties.
The only saving grace of this issue for me was the mystery confronting Maria Hill. Unaware of the arrival of a parallel universe Avengers, their actions have lead Hill to question our Avengers, especially given the (apparent) 'death' of the alternate universe Hank Pym.
Otherwise, I didn't like the AIM scenes with all the technobabble concerning their portal device and their vague purposes of using it. (And how this fits in with the AIM action in Avengers World, I don't know). Frankly, was bored by it all and all this alternate universe stuff is getting old as well.
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Post by humanbelly on Feb 8, 2014 9:28:13 GMT -5
#25 - On top of having a parallel universe version of the Illuminati running around in NA, now we have a parallel universe Avengers team turn up, courtesy of AIM's inter-dimensional portal thingy device. Taken from a universe beset by the same collision event phenomenon that's been threatening ever since Hickman took over, this Avengers team features a semblance of a classic line-up but their attitudes and demeanor suggest a more harsher outlook on life and their duties. The only saving grace of this issue for me was the mystery confronting Maria Hill. Unaware of the arrival of a parallel universe Avengers, their actions have lead Hill to question our Avengers, especially given the (apparent) 'death' of the alternate universe Hank Pym. Otherwise, I didn't like the AIM scenes with all the technobabble concerning their portal device and their vague purposes of using it. (And how this fits in with the AIM action in Avengers World, I don't know). Frankly, was bored by it all and all this alternate universe stuff is getting old as well. Oh man, MarvB, your first passage up there could come right out of an old (and dearly missed) Mighty Marvel Checklist-style syonpsis. Except, it would itself be for, like, the Dark Marvel Universe. . . or perhaps, MARVEL: The Dark Universe. . . or MARVEL DARK. Y'know, something like that. And in that vein, it has the similar dark-parallel effect of truly, TRULY making me not want to ever buy the book. Sheesh. It's like those horrific disclaimers at the end of pharmaceutical commercials. . . "It might do WHAT?? Uh, never mind. . . I'm good, thanks. . ." HB
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Post by Marvel Boy on Feb 22, 2014 19:23:45 GMT -5
Avengers #26 - I read this issue twice mainly because I found myself becoming intrigued by this 'other' set of Avengers.
But first, I want to say how much I miss and would have loved to have seen in this issue, that long-standing yet now forsaken comic element, the footnote! Yes, you remember footnotes, right? Those loving little boxes from Ye Ol' Wise Editor that would remind you, the True Believer of a Reader, of the previous issue in which a important event occurred. This issue sorely needed a footnote at the beginning.
Why, you may ask? If you may recall, earlier in Hickman's run, the majority of the Avengers team fought a robot enemy that wiped the floor with them. As they lay unconscious after the battle, a team of AIM scientists were seen around them. We didn't know what those scientists were doing to them.....until now. Thus, it would have been nice to have a footnote to remind me of this event. But alas, it was not to be.
But I digress.......
Those scientists took genetic material from the Avengers that they then used to create superior Adaptoids, which they intended to use to explore the Multiverse through AIM's new interdimensional portal thingy. So you have a bunch of super Adaptoids with the mashed up abilities and power of the various Avengers.
Flash to now and this 'other' set of Avengers. Again, this group seems more militant, as Thorr (not a mistype) willfully scatters civilians with his lightning, delighting in 'teaching' these mortals their proper place. But then, some AIM scientists appear with the super Adaptoids, intent on using them in a field-test by capturing these 'other' Avengers and returning them to AIM Island.
They engage in battle wherein Wasp uses a controller to make Hulk attack the Adaptoids. Things are going well till her controller is crushed, turning Hulk back into Banner, who then flees once he discovers that he is free of Wasp's control. Hank Pym intends to subdue Banner when he is caught by an Adaptoid. By now, they realize that capture is no longer possible, they adapt their purpose to exterminate the problem and the Adaptoid snaps Hank's neck, killing him. Wasp realizes they're outmatched and tells General America (not another mistype) that the Avengers need to retreat, which they do. The AIM scientists realize the Adaptoids have exceeded their mandates, gathers them up and retreats, leaving a dead Hank Pym to be found by Maria Hill and her SHIELD agents.
The various Avengers responses to Hill's accusations were amusing, then Tony figures out a way to track the 'other' Avengers using Hyperion's observations to conclude that they are extra-dimensional. Meanwhile, the 'other' Banner runs to a hideout, only to find our Bruce Banner! Meanwhile, the Adaptoids realize that the AIM scientists' motives are not up to their par and seek to adapt themselves to their ultimate purpose of being explorers.
All in all, a very interesting issue, looking forward to seeing how our Avengers confront/contain the 'other' Avengers.
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Post by bobc on Mar 30, 2014 9:10:20 GMT -5
New Avengers #16, which for some reason has a giant "#1" on the cover (?) was just terrible. I am scratching my head as to how this book as gone into such a tailspin. I am just astounded. As if New Avengers and Avengers needed to drown in millions of more characters, Hickman has introduced whole new teams, more multiple realities, and if that weren't enough, now we have multiple past and future worlds. Does anybody have the slightest idea what is going on in terms of plot? He even introduced three new Black Swans, when we don't know crap about the first one. Is Hickman ever going to wrap up any of thousand dangling plotlines? I just started skimming after a while because I find it impossible to care about anything that's going on because it is sheer chaos.
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Post by starfoxxx on Apr 1, 2014 17:57:12 GMT -5
New Avengers #16, which for some reason has a giant "#1" on the cover (?) was just terrible. . I haven't read New Avengers or just plain Avengers for a while now (I think I lasted about six months for both). I kept reading the adverts in Marvel Previews for New Avengers, and it seemed like every month they were promising "The Secret Behind the Black Swan".....is this story ever going anywhere? And like bobc has stated, WTF? is up with the #1 on the cover for an issue #16? Uncanny Avengers #18 had the same stupid #1 on the cover......and that's just the beginning of my complaints about THAT issue. It sucked. I forgot where I placed my copy of Uncanny Avengers #18, but when I get around to reviewing it, I won't have many nice things to say...... starfoxxx
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Post by bobc on Apr 2, 2014 8:16:43 GMT -5
I don't really think this is a spoiler, Starry--but the "secret behind the Black Swan" is that the Black Panther has found 3 Black Swans in separate timelines, but he only gets little glimpses into anything they are actually doing when observed. I think these glimpses are supposed to be tittilating but for me it's just more confusion. This is starting to seem more and more like Bendis. Huge promises, no delivery. And guess who is right by BP's side while watching these alternate swans? Namor. As if nothing happened between the two. Has their conflict just been tossed into the dumpster like Bendis does when he's too lazy to actually tie up a plot line?
I am liking Uncanny Avengers better than New Avengers now but I agree that the last couple of issues haven't been stellar. I think the deaths have been so frequent and unwarranted that it's hard to take any of it seriously. I like how he's writing the Wasp, though. It's nice to see her back as a major player.
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Post by starfoxxx on Apr 2, 2014 18:01:11 GMT -5
Hey bobc, I actually was REALLY enjoying Uncanny Avengers up until #18. I'll review it once I reread it. Big disappointment.
I really don't even care about "deaths" anymore---they hardly register for me. I've been doing a lot of reading Twomorrows "Companion" books: Flash, Hawkman, JLA, JSA (Thank you Delaware Library System), and if you look back to the "good old days" of DC, they were constantly "killing off" characters.....only to have them return the very next issue! LOL.
And yeah, wasn't the "war" between Wakanda and Atlantis started in the early issues of New Avengers? Sounds lazy AND confusing (as bobc stated) and I'm glad I jumped off NEW AVENGERS when I did.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Apr 22, 2014 22:46:05 GMT -5
Better late than never (and for that, we thank the US Postal Service) But onwards to Avengers #27 and the 'other' Avengers..... ...we get an interesting discussion between Bruce Banner and Doctor Bruce Banner. While both men suffer from their inner monsters, we start to discern the difference between the types of monster that haunt these men. AIM's Scientist Supreme wants this mess of the 'other' Avengers cleaned up and orders a team to capture/kill/bring their bodies back. The 'other' Avengers are currently in combat with our stalwart heroes. Iron Man learns to his horror that his counterpart is actually Jarvis! (who admits to some despicable acts in order to acquire the Iron Man armor). Thorr seeks to sway Thor to his side, that is, until Hyperion shows up and Cap gets blindsided idealistically by his counterpart General America. The Wasp tries to settle the fight down until (a) Hulk shows up. At this time, the AIM team strikes, freezing everyone in a temporal bubble and stealing the 'other' Avengers away and possibly taking the wrong Hulk with them......... The last half of this issue, for a reason unknown to me, is a reprint of the All-New Invaders #1. I may start another thread over that, suffice it to say, I was intrigued enough by this story to check out the following issues. Oh, as for the Omega Super-Adaptoids, they finish their recalibration, access AIM's multiverse portal thingy, and set off to discover unknown lands. Still kinda confused over that part, but mostly enjoyed the main story.
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Post by Marvel Boy on May 31, 2014 19:42:02 GMT -5
Okay, two issues for the price of one post. Hooray!
Quick summaries here though:
#28 features a turning point of sorts. The 'other' Avengers are set off into the great unknown Multiverse with the help of AIM, content on finding a new world to 'help' (IE conquer). Meanwhile, Bruce has fathomed exactly what Tony has been up to, reforming the Illuminati and structuring this new version of the team in a way so they can handle any big problems that come up, thus freeing Tony and the others to handle the bug picture. Bruce's reward for his amazing deductions? He joins the Illuminati! Secretly though as the 'other' Banner is captured publicly to allay the fears of the Hulk's attack on Stark Towers. Ooh, we're all hiding secrets now.....
#30 has secrets being revealed. Cap finally remembers having his memory wiped by Strange as he was kicked out of the Illuminati. Naturally enraged, he gathers Clint, Natasha, Thor and Hyperion to confront Tony over this. Cap's plan seems rather basic; he intends to collect his pound of flesh in retribution over Tony and the others' continued desire to do whatever it takes to solve the crisis at hand. But things go wrong when the Time Gem, which disappeared instead of cracking like the other Gems when Cap last used the Infinity Gauntlet to stop an Incursion, appears, apparently hidden on Cap the whole time. A time jump/accident occurs as we now seem to be in the future......
We seem to be getting closer to seeing the vast plans of Hickman come together. Both Bruce and Cap learn the extreme lengths Tony has gone to and kept hidden from everyone yet their reactions to this discovery is very telling. Bruce wants in, Cap wants to punch.
Though I did not like how Hickman handled Cap and Tony's character in #30. These are old friends who are about to clash philosophies yet again. While the dialogue conveyed the proper outrage and indifference on their parts, I felt the lack of personal involvement as such between the two. This should have been a bigger gut punch to the reader.
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