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Post by woodside on Jul 3, 2012 22:40:19 GMT -5
Wow. popwatch.ew.com/2012/07/03/marvel-now-jean-grey-exclusive/To recap: - Rick Remender will be writing a "flagship" Marvel title called "Uncanny Avengers" (seriously). It will be a feature members of both the X-Men and the Avengers together. - Jonathan Hickman will be writing Avengers, focusing on big cosmic stories and interchanging 5-to-6 part stories with smaller, single issue stories. Shang-Chi is the only confirmed member thus far. - Bendis will be writing a bi-weekly X-Book called All New X-Men. It will feature the original five X-Men time traveling into the future and encountering their present-day counter-parts . . . and being horrified. I'm not exactly sure how I feel about all this. Uncanny Avengers just feels hollow, though I like the idea of Cap reaching out and doing more for Mutants. We speculated about Hickman's approach to Avengers in a different thread. Guess it's confirmed. All New X-Men? Uhhhhhhh. No comment? |
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Post by spiderwasp on Jul 4, 2012 0:10:17 GMT -5
I like Hickman's comment about including lots of Avengers and combining A-listers and B-listers.
Shang-Chi seems like an odd choice to me if the stories are going to be so cosmic. I never really read his books in the 70s but he seems more of the Earth-bound type, but oh well.
I also like the idea of some single issue stories focusing on one character, assuming of course, that the one character won't always be the ones that already are featured in their own books.
Also, the 5-6 issue stories lines will be easier to keep up with since the book will come out twice a month, however, I'm not sure if that will help or hurt sales. If the books weren't so darned expensive, I think it would help. With the costs, I'm not so sure. Personally, I buy so few titles right now that I'm good with twice a month.
Not sure how I feel aobut Uncanny Avengers but I'll give it a try.
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Post by tomspasic on Jul 4, 2012 10:11:53 GMT -5
Uncanny Avengers sounds like creative bankruptcy writ large.
They've been getting their arses kicked by DC, and have literally no idea what to do, so some idiot decided to combine the X-men and Avengers into one mega-popular title.
Given how stupid people are, it might work.
I've liked Hickman's FF stuff, and he's not Bendis, so it might be ok.
But mostly I just think Marvel is decades past having any real ideas, and coasting on past successes.
As for Bendis on x-men, lol@x-fans. I hope he stays there for 2 decades, but since his star is on the wane I'm betting it'll be a few years, three tops till he "decides" to move on again.
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Post by woodside on Jul 4, 2012 10:46:52 GMT -5
Uncanny Avengers sounds like creative bankruptcy writ large. They've been getting their arses kicked by DC, and have literally no idea what to do, so some idiot decided to combine the X-men and Avengers into one mega-popular title. Given how stupid people are, it might work. I've liked Hickman's FF stuff, and he's not Bendis, so it might be ok. But mostly I just think Marvel is decades past having any real ideas, and coasting on past successes. As for Bendis on x-men, lol@x-fans. I hope he stays there for 2 decades, but since his star is on the wane I'm betting it'll be a few years, three tops till he "decides" to move on again. Wow, a little hateful, much? I think assuming someone is "stupid" just because they like a certain book is pretty insulting. And if you think so lowly of Bendis being on X-Men, then why should X-Fans suffer? Just because Avengers fans "suffered?" I do think that Uncanny Avengers feels like a big marketing exercise. It doesn't feel natural or organic. I think Marvel sees the financial success of AvsX and sees two of their biggest franchises and intends to just smoosh them together. Though Remender writes both an X-books and Avengers book right now, so . . . I don't know really what to expect. I'm left scratching my head. |
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Post by humanbelly on Jul 4, 2012 15:08:44 GMT -5
Good god-- it's just "Bigger-bigger! More! More! 10 times the heroes and 100 times the thrills!!!" I'm referring mostly to the Uncanny Avengers proposition. I have to completely, COMPLETELY agree with the creative bankruptcy assessment. Just jamming and piling the popular franchises into one another is about as juvenile a creative strategic plan as one could ever come up with. How is it remotely sustainable?? Could Secret Wars 1 (which seems to me what this idea echos) have gone on indefinitely? Heavens no. It really had trouble staying compelling for its own limited run.
Really, what the idea sadly has more in common with are the more recent Superbowl halftime shows- particularly this most recent one- where there's hopeless and unsatisfying chaotic parade of HUGE STARS trying to make the most of their frenetic 30 seconds in the world's spotlight. You get completely insubstantial entertainment because no one voice or face is heard or seen in depth.
It's also silly and redundant. While every Avenger, I suppose, couldn't be an X-Man (Hmm. Has that discriminatory standard ever been explored in their books-??), there's no reason, technically, that every X-Man couldn't be an Avenger--- as several of them have. They're all super-people, for pete's sake. What's the purpose of a special "combined" super team-- beyond the painfully obvious ploy of trying to suck more $$ out of the other faction's fans?
Gad- the disappointment just mounts. . .
HB
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Post by starfoxxx on Jul 4, 2012 16:32:36 GMT -5
Yeah, but i heard the original Van Halen is playing the half-time SuperBowl this year. Sounds pretty good to me. I wonder if Michael Anthony is with them still? But I HAVE been pretty dissapointed, esp. with the Stones. The last really good halftimes in recent memory , IMO, were Prince and Paul McCartney. And as far as comics go, I'll just stick to NOT BUYING the gimmicky stuff. It's not really voting with your dollar when most comic buyers will be buying the hyped-up stuff, but no one forces you to BUY it. I look to reviews and forums to inform me of what I should spend my $$ on according to my own tastes. Right now all I can recommend is Avengers Academy, Secret Avengers, and Levitz' Legion of Super-Heroes. They're the only comics I've bought regularly since Guardians of the Galaxy was cancelled  -----speaking of bad decisions by Marvel.  |
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Post by woodside on Jul 4, 2012 23:59:35 GMT -5
(Hmm. Has that discriminatory standard ever been explored in their books-??) Yes and no. The majority of the team is currently and has always been Mutants. After Decimation, some of the few de-powered X-Men and associates (Prodigy and Dani Moonstar, to name a few) stuck around as full-time members. The X-Men have always had plenty of human allies - Moira, Stevie Hunter, Charlotte Jones, Dr Kavita Rao, Tom Corsi, etc etc. Some of them have gone off on adventures with those pesky X-Men. When the school was open during Morrison's run, there was at least one human student. Captain Britain and Daytripper/Magik II are both humans, but were technically only members of Excalibur. Oh, and Longshot wasn't a Mutant. He wasn't human either, if that counts. |
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Post by humanbelly on Jul 5, 2012 6:04:41 GMT -5
(Hmm. Has that discriminatory standard ever been explored in their books-??) Yes and no. The majority of the team is currently and has always been Mutants. After Decimation, some of the few de-powered X-Men and associates (Prodigy and Dani Moonstar, to name a few) stuck around as full-time members. The X-Men have always had plenty of human allies - Moira, Stevie Hunter, Charlotte Jones, Dr Kavita Rao, Tom Corsi, etc etc. Some of them have gone off on adventures with those pesky X-Men. When the school was open during Morrison's run, there was at least one human student. Captain Britain and Daytripper/Magik II are both humans, but were technically only members of Excalibur. Oh, and Longshot wasn't a Mutant. He wasn't human either, if that counts. Hunh. I'm sure I'm not the first person ever to bring this up, then, but-- to be a true, active, super-powered X-Man, it would appear that one has to at least have been a congenital mutant-- born Homo Superior, as it were. Or an inhuman alien, like Longshot or Warlock, say (although wasn't there some weak case made for both of them that they were somehow subtle "mutations" from their own respective races-? I think?). I guess otherwise they're just considered a "friend of" or associate? I dunno-- it just seems a bit touchy to me. No wonder mutant/human race wars seem to be so easily ignited. There's an inherent exclusivity in the very supergroup whose mission is to make the world safe for the co-existence of both groups. . . Of course, Uncanny Avengers may be exactly a way in which to address that-- so I should probably keep a bit more of an open mind. . . in spite of the obvious, cynical sales play. . . yeesh. . . HB |
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Post by woodside on Jul 5, 2012 19:04:29 GMT -5
You are most certainly not the first to bring it up, my friend. It's been something on my mind too, at times. Why so many allies, but no real human members? (outside of Maddie Pryor) Even a super-human would be an excellent addition.
That being said, the X-Men have a pretty big target on their backs since Mutants are feared and hated. A "normal" human might simply want to keep their distance, super-powered of bhhyyt \\
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Post by humanbelly on Jul 5, 2012 19:52:14 GMT -5
You are most certainly not the first to bring it up, my friend. It's been something on my mind too, at times. Why so many allies, but no real human members? (outside of Maddie Pryor) Even a super-human would be an excellent addition. That being said, the X-Men have a pretty big target on their backs since Mutants are feared and hated. A "normal" human might simply want to keep their distance, super-powered of bhhyyt \\ 'ny nju ymku my ny l\] Oh my lord, WS has keeled over onto his keyboard. I am SURE there's a sleep-deprivation issue in play, here. . .  HB |
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Post by woodside on Jul 5, 2012 22:12:32 GMT -5
Oh gosh! I leave the computer, come back, just hit "Post Reply" without paying attention, and then see that LittleW has messed up my post.
Sigh. Kids.
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Post by freedomfighter on Jul 5, 2012 23:43:29 GMT -5
Yes and no. The majority of the team is currently and has always been Mutants. After Decimation, some of the few de-powered X-Men and associates (Prodigy and Dani Moonstar, to name a few) stuck around as full-time members. The X-Men have always had plenty of human allies - Moira, Stevie Hunter, Charlotte Jones, Dr Kavita Rao, Tom Corsi, etc etc. Some of them have gone off on adventures with those pesky X-Men. When the school was open during Morrison's run, there was at least one human student. Captain Britain and Daytripper/Magik II are both humans, but were technically only members of Excalibur. Oh, and Longshot wasn't a Mutant. He wasn't human either, if that counts. Hunh. I'm sure I'm not the first person ever to bring this up, then, but-- to be a true, active, super-powered X-Man, it would appear that one has to at least have been a congenital mutant-- born Homo Superior, as it were. Or an inhuman alien, like Longshot or Warlock, say (although wasn't there some weak case made for both of them that they were somehow subtle "mutations" from their own respective races-? I think?). I guess otherwise they're just considered a "friend of" or associate? I dunno-- it just seems a bit touchy to me. No wonder mutant/human race wars seem to be so easily ignited. There's an inherent exclusivity in the very supergroup whose mission is to make the world safe for the co-existence of both groups. . . Of course, Uncanny Avengers may be exactly a way in which to address that-- so I should probably keep a bit more of an open mind. . . in spite of the obvious, cynical sales play. . . yeesh. . . HB There was a very good reason for the X-Men to be all mutants- it made the book stand out. Forgetting the fact that it's primarily supposed to be a school and not a super hero hangout, the concept works better when it is all mutants who can't ever fit into society and it can work as an allegory for racism or homosexuality or whatever it needs to be to readers. Yeah it does seem to be a bit ridiculous that they never tried to integrate the team, but being able to touch on that whole alienation worked pretty well in terms of sales for a real long time. Also as an aside, I don't know why Marvel persists in calling Namor a mutant. He's a hybrid, the product of interspecies romance that produces a viable offspring that possesses traits from both progenitors. As far as I've seen, Namor is the most likely result that you get when you mix Atlantean and human DNA. That's not mutation... |
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Post by humanbelly on Jul 6, 2012 7:24:15 GMT -5
Oh gosh! I leave the computer, come back, just hit "Post Reply" without paying attention, and then see that LittleW has messed up my post. Sigh. Kids. Oh wow-- which is exactly what the message looks like-! It's an unintended delight exactly as it stands, WS, make no mistake. . . Hmm, wonder if there's a way to preserve it? ("And here's the time you helped DaddyW send a very important message to his friends. . . ") HB |
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Post by humanbelly on Jul 6, 2012 7:59:58 GMT -5
Hunh. I'm sure I'm not the first person ever to bring this up, then, but-- to be a true, active, super-powered X-Man, it would appear that one has to at least have been a congenital mutant-- born Homo Superior, as it were. Or an inhuman alien, like Longshot or Warlock, say (although wasn't there some weak case made for both of them that they were somehow subtle "mutations" from their own respective races-? I think?). I guess otherwise they're just considered a "friend of" or associate? I dunno-- it just seems a bit touchy to me. No wonder mutant/human race wars seem to be so easily ignited. There's an inherent exclusivity in the very supergroup whose mission is to make the world safe for the co-existence of both groups. . . Of course, Uncanny Avengers may be exactly a way in which to address that-- so I should probably keep a bit more of an open mind. . . in spite of the obvious, cynical sales play. . . yeesh. . . HB There was a very good reason for the X-Men to be all mutants- it made the book stand out. Forgetting the fact that it's primarily supposed to be a school and not a super hero hangout, the concept works better when it is all mutants who can't ever fit into society and it can work as an allegory for racism or homosexuality or whatever it needs to be to readers. Yeah it does seem to be a bit ridiculous that they never tried to integrate the team, but being able to touch on that whole alienation worked pretty well in terms of sales for a real long time. Also as an aside, I don't know why Marvel persists in calling Namor a mutant. He's a hybrid, the product of interspecies romance that produces a viable offspring that possesses traits from both progenitors. As far as I've seen, Namor is the most likely result that you get when you mix Atlantean and human DNA. That's not mutation... You're right about the original intent behind the creation of the team. I've always kind of admired Stan for more or less offering his own take on the evils of prejudice at a time when it was such a hot-button topic in society. And it did maintain its relevance for a long time, as different folks were able to relate to it on different levels (or as a different analogy) over the years. "School" cover story aside, I guess that maybe the conceit just doesn't wear too well over many, many years with the same cast of characters because, a) If integration/acceptance is perpetually thwarted or unobtainable, then the reader (and possibly the characters?) will tend to become numbed, cynical, bitter, and/or uninspired. The pointlessness would weigh too heavily over the course of time; and b) the very nature of being perpetually "outside" of society creates an unavoidable "us vs. them" mind-set. If the tone of interaction w/ the broader swath of humanity is always adversarial, then the line between the X-Men and the Brotherhood of Mutants becomes very hard to distinguish. One assumes it will never be accepted by a lesser-gifted humanity, the other assumes that it's superior to humanity. Really, it's the same problem we've discussed elsewhere: the premise for the series (or book or character) can't be maintained indefinitely. There has to be some kind of resolution, or it becomes stagnant. (Mind you, I've never thought this out-- this is coming right off the top of my head-- so I'm sure there are flaws in my reasoning here somewheres. . .  . Boy, you sure nailed my exact reaction when the masthead for John Byrne's NAMOR proclaimed him to be Marvel's "First & Mightiest Mutant"-! Yes, he's a HYBRID, exactly right! And, I'm afraid, a wildly silly, illogical one at that. Exactly where in either DNA did ankle-wings occur? And from which side of the family tree comes the Thor/Hercules/near-Hulk level of strength?? No, he's much more like those dolphin/killer whale hybrids, or horse/zebra or horse/donkey hybrids-- none of which, I'm pretty sure, are able to produce offspring of their own. Namor may very well be a genetic mule, not a mutant. Well, I suppose, unless his mother or ol' Captain McKenzie had some sort of exposure to Uranium, or cosmic rays, or something-- I suppose I could even buy that as a very late-in-the-game retcon, if necessary. Sheesh, it would actually make Namor's existence more sensible (in the MU, anyhow). Boy oh boy-- big ol' thread-jack in progress again, eh? HB |
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Post by spiderwasp on Jul 6, 2012 9:34:24 GMT -5
Exactly where in either DNA did ankle-wings occur? And from which side of the family tree comes the Thor/Hercules/near-Hulk level of strength?? HB Isn't this exactly the logic Byrne used to determine that Namor was a mutant? Since these characteristics are not attributed to either side, they are a mutation. I"m not necessarily crazy about the notion either as it was simply a way to try to capitalize on the mutant craze but I think this was what he was going for. Of course, Namorita somehow had the same ankle wings but a repeated mutation (Banshee/Siryn, Quicksilver/Speed) wouldn't be completely unprecidented either.) Maybe his real mutant power is the ability to defy logic as well as gravity by being able to flap tiny ankle wings and fly with complete control. |
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Post by sharkar on Jul 6, 2012 11:08:44 GMT -5
bhhyyt \\ 'ny nju ymku my ny l\] Oh gosh! I leave the computer, come back, just hit "Post Reply" without paying attention, and then see that LittleW has messed up my post. Sigh. Kids. LOL! Well then, I'd like to exalt little Wanda-Wolverina for her adorable contribution ;D. (Exalt goes to her father, since he's the account holder here.) |
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Post by humanbelly on Jul 6, 2012 13:14:51 GMT -5
Exactly where in either DNA did ankle-wings occur? And from which side of the family tree comes the Thor/Hercules/near-Hulk level of strength?? HB Isn't this exactly the logic Byrne used to determine that Namor was a mutant? Since these characteristics are not attributed to either side, they are a mutation. I"m not necessarily crazy about the notion either as it was simply a way to try to capitalize on the mutant craze but I think this was what he was going for. Of course, Namorita somehow had the same ankle wings but a repeated mutation (Banshee/Siryn, Quicksilver/Speed) wouldn't be completely unprecidented either.) Maybe his real mutant power is the ability to defy logic as well as gravity by being able to flap tiny ankle wings and fly with complete control. Ah, yeah-- this is probably a level of comic-geek semantic hairsplitting that could easily qualify us for guest appearances on BIG BANG THEORY. I suppose. . . I suppose we should watch out for that sort of thing as we get older. Looking at it broadly, Namor was born the way he is, so on some level, that does make him a mutation from any genetic norm. Heck, I guess John B even deserves some credit for trying to graft some sort of "normal" explanation (in MU terms) onto Namor's otherwise completely absurd origin. In fact, wasn't JB the guy who removed the ankle-wings in some sort of "accident"? I mean, there's gotta be a point where a serious writer/artist simply can't look the other way any longer. . . BUT-- did he ever show up on Cerebro?? Aha! Defense rests! (Someone call Charles Xavier to the stand. . . ) HB |
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Post by freedomfighter on Jul 6, 2012 21:42:42 GMT -5
Isn't this exactly the logic Byrne used to determine that Namor was a mutant? Since these characteristics are not attributed to either side, they are a mutation. I"m not necessarily crazy about the notion either as it was simply a way to try to capitalize on the mutant craze but I think this was what he was going for. Of course, Namorita somehow had the same ankle wings but a repeated mutation (Banshee/Siryn, Quicksilver/Speed) wouldn't be completely unprecidented either.) Maybe his real mutant power is the ability to defy logic as well as gravity by being able to flap tiny ankle wings and fly with complete control. Ah, yeah-- this is probably a level of comic-geek semantic hairsplitting that could easily qualify us for guest appearances on BIG BANG THEORY. I suppose. . . I suppose we should watch out for that sort of thing as we get older. Looking at it broadly, Namor was born the way he is, so on some level, that does make him a mutation from any genetic norm. Heck, I guess John B even deserves some credit for trying to graft some sort of "normal" explanation (in MU terms) onto Namor's otherwise completely absurd origin. In fact, wasn't JB the guy who removed the ankle-wings in some sort of "accident"? I mean, there's gotta be a point where a serious writer/artist simply can't look the other way any longer. . . BUT-- did he ever show up on Cerebro?? Aha! Defense rests! (Someone call Charles Xavier to the stand. . . ) HB the problem with calling Namor a mutant simply because he isn't like his two progeny is that since there are so few like him, that we don't know if this is the natural result of Atlantean/Human mating. Given that Namora seemed to have the same exact mutation, who is to say it isn't simply what happens when you cross human and Atlantean genes? Also seeing as Namorita was a clone of Namora, it does seem to be ingrained in their DNA that this specialization and modification will occur. So if this is something that happens every time you cross these particular genes, I don't know that that's a mutation... If its his strength, again both Namora and Namorita display incredible strength. As for any other abilities, well don't forget Namor is "chosen" by Neptune and may have some special gifts in that regard. As for the early X-Men appearance, it's actually covered in depth at this website (and no Xavier doesn't use Cerebro to suss out if ol' pointy ears is a mutant, he just decides to...guess. Great use of scientific method, Charley...) www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/uncanny_xmen_6.shtml |
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Post by humanbelly on Jul 7, 2012 6:45:17 GMT -5
Excellent reference, FF. I'd completely forgotten about X-Men #6-- though that splash panel was an immediate reminder (I believe it appeared in the NO-PRIZE BOOK one-shot, in fact). And it certainly manages to leave the question steeped in ambiguity, eh? Just TURN ON YER BIG FIND-A-MUTANT COMPUTER GIZMO, DOC-! Sheesh.
It looks like the donkey/horse hybrid-- producing either a mule or a hinny, depending on the genders of the sire/dam pair-- is kind of the closest model to what we'd be talking about w/ Namor & Namora. Genetically, they should be the same, although physiologically there'd be some differences, because the genders of their respective parents were reversed. But, boy, you still come up with the issue that Namor (as a male) is almost certainly sterile. I checked back a bit on the theory that there was some interbreeding occurring between neanderthals and ancient homo sapiens in Europe, particularly (which has gained a lot of supportive DNA evidence in the past 10 years), and got the impression that genetic trail is traceable only through the female DNA being passed along. I wonder if the very faintness of that trail would suggest that the male offspring of those pairings simply weren't producing offspring of their own?
Man, I feel like this would be a very interesting, personal, human storyline for Namor. The guy's the king (sort of. . . off & on. . . ) of a major chunk of the planet, and at some point producing an heir would have to become a priority for him. And. . . what if he can't?
Hmm. Not up on Sub-Mariner's broader history at all. Has this ever been touched on? (As we wheel maniacally from OT to OT??)
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Post by woodside on Jul 7, 2012 9:44:03 GMT -5
I think the biggest problem with Namor is that his books just never do as well as Marvel wants them to. There is most certainly an audience for him, but it's just never big enough to support his own, solo title. With Namor being such a major character in the MU and one of the very first characters (was he the first or second?), there's a need to keep him around and relevant.
So I think that's why we've seen him take so many sides in his history. Hence right now why he's with the X-Men, an idea I originally hated, but now really enjoy. He seems a good fit with him, as he was the first Marvel anti-hero and most of the X-Men are anti-heroes these days.
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Post by freedomfighter on Jul 7, 2012 16:24:08 GMT -5
Re: Namor and heirs: this was all covered actually in a plotline in one of Namor's titles: www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/llyronnamor.htmIt appears indeed that he can't conceive children, yet that didn't stop Llyra from a) claiming Namor had a child and b) being a hybrid herself giving birth... Sheesh. However I do recall at least two issues of What If where Sue Storm and Namor married and she did indeed give him children, so who knows if that's a gift from Neptune who is often seen doing nice deeds for Namor in the old Tales of Suspense run. I mean Gods were often associated with fertility... Here's a link to one of the stories: siskoid.blogspot.com/2010/02/what-if-invisible-girl-married-sub.htmlas to his book constantly being cancelled, honestly as long as they approaching subby as a super hero, it will be cancelled. He's a monarch, and a far better example of one than say, Thor. Sub Mariner should be full on Game of Thrones as he tries to annex every other kingdom in the marvel universe. He rules by divine right (Neptune himself gave him his trident) and Namor should feel the need to take over Latveria, Genosha and Wakanda and any other kingdom that might present a threat to his reign. I realize these are land kingdoms, but a) there's plenty of stuff that he can use from the land and b) plenty of wars were fought over who would control oceans and seas, so land could be important to Namor as well... (by the way if some mod wants to split these reponses from the main thread, I wouldn't be opposed at all. I realize this a pretty major thread hijack) |
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Post by humanbelly on Jul 8, 2012 7:02:48 GMT -5
Re: Namor and heirs: this was all covered actually in a plotline in one of Namor's titles: www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/llyronnamor.htmIt appears indeed that he can't conceive children, yet that didn't stop Llyra from a) claiming Namor had a child and b) being a hybrid herself giving birth... Sheesh. However I do recall at least two issues of What If where Sue Storm and Namor married and she did indeed give him children, so who knows if that's a gift from Neptune who is often seen doing nice deeds for Namor in the old Tales of Suspense run. I mean Gods were often associated with fertility... Here's a link to one of the stories: siskoid.blogspot.com/2010/02/what-if-invisible-girl-married-sub.htmlas to his book constantly being cancelled, honestly as long as they approaching subby as a super hero, it will be cancelled. He's a monarch, and a far better example of one than say, Thor. Sub Mariner should be full on Game of Thrones as he tries to annex every other kingdom in the marvel universe. He rules by divine right (Neptune himself gave him his trident) and Namor should feel the need to take over Latveria, Genosha and Wakanda and any other kingdom that might present a threat to his reign. I realize these are land kingdoms, but a) there's plenty of stuff that he can use from the land and b) plenty of wars were fought over who would control oceans and seas, so land could be important to Namor as well... (by the way if some mod wants to split these reponses from the main thread, I wouldn't be opposed at all. I realize this a pretty major thread hijack) Yeesh, that's one convoluted backstory reference, isn't it? It almost comes across as being a parody of itself. . . sort of like with long-running soap-operas. I bought that Namor title by John Byrne for quite a long time-- I'm guessing I must have dropped it right before Lyron showed up. . . or else I've blocked it all from my memory! At least it does sort of acknowledge the fact that male hybrid mammals are sterile creatures. In defense of Lyra's machinations, female hybrids are sometimes (although it's minimal) able to reproduce. I didn't even begin to follow the whole mind-overwriting sequence of events, though. Good grief. Tiny, tiny, tiny correction-- Subby's early title was in Tales to Astonish, rather than Tales of Suspense, and it was generally quite good. There's some particularly great work by Gene Colan (under the name "Adam Austin", as I bet Sharkar can verify--)-- and it often does feel a touch more Game of Thrones-ish. A more grown-up strip than the Hulk was at the time, I think. Re-directing this thread would be fine-- I fell terribly guilty for running off with WS's topic and hiding it under the seven seas. . . (and heck, Subby was a highly interesting Avenger, so I'm sure there's a spot for discussing him somewhere on this board-!) HB |
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Post by woodside on Jul 8, 2012 10:45:54 GMT -5
Nah! I don't think anyone really cares about Marvel NOW! here, including myself. I think it's safe to keep it in this thread.
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-----speaking of bad decisions by Marvel. 
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