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Post by bobc on Mar 25, 2011 11:40:32 GMT -5
If "decompressed storytelling" is a joke, why am I not laughing? Actually I am laughing--but I'm laughing at the attacks on Bendis on CBR: forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=295839&page=33Sadly, Drew, the video game field is no different. Once a type of game is a hit--right now Facebook games are huge--nobody wants to screw with the formula. In console games, zombie games are multiplying like coat-hangers, and I am hearing constantly that people are sick of zombie games. If you stick around in this field, you will watch these trends come and go. The big problem is that it usually takes at least two years to make a console title (and that is a very conservative estimate), so if a company notices the zombie trend, and wants to make a Z game, they start out at least 2 years behind the eight ball. So what was yesterday's somewhat original idea becomes a marketing cliche a few years later--and sales drop. Publishers fund us--and they are in it to make money, period. They don't give a d**n about the artistic or creative side of things, and anything new or original often creates great confusion and trepidation in the minds of publishers. Games are so expensive to make, that selling 300,000 copies is like a bare minimum before you actually start making a profit. Most do not. Anyway, back to Bendis, the consensus of the anti-Bendis crowd is the same as ours. All the characters sound the same--snarky, wisecracking clones of each other. That approach is great if you are writing Spiderman or Deadpool, but not the Avengers. It is comical reading posts from (obviously) older comic fans explaining to the younger guys what the term "characterization" means--because they obviously do not get it. The pro Bendis fans seem quite happy that everyone sounds the same. And that's fine--if they are happy it's none of my bizzness. But don't argue that Bendis is good at characterization if you cannot provide a single example to support this idea. I'd rather just hear "I like his work." Whatever blows your skirt up is what I always say.
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Post by drew on Mar 26, 2011 0:17:06 GMT -5
Ha! Thanks Bob, I hadn't heard the skirt phrase in a while. And you are exactly dead on with your POV on games. I will buy the Cap and Thor games, and the Green Lantern one, and they will probably be ok to lousy. From what I understand movie tie ins are very rushed and the company wants to make a quick buck instead of the long green. I've heard great things about Batman :Arkham Asylum, and while not a movie tie in it is a licensed title and those are generally not good. But AA seems like they put time and effort into it, and people will buy the sequel. I think my favorite comic related game is Hulk:Ultimate Destruction. It felt exactly like the Ultimate version of the Hulk, and the time and care put into it shows. Marvel Ultimate Alliance was also good, and X-men legends 1-2 were also very enjoyable. And I understand; bottom line the entertainment industry is a business like any other and it's about profit, but the short sightedness freakin kills me. I really dig Captain America, for example. I'm going to see the movie, I'm going to buy the game, anything with Cap will at least catch my attention. My first exposure to Cap was a dogeared comic I found in an orange crate. And it was good, even when I re-bought it many years later. (Mike Zeck is probably my favorite Cap artist.) But my point is the initial exposure was so positive I kept coming back. That was over twenty years ago. I honestly don't know why people enjoy certain things, but what really confounds me is why they come back for more shlock. It's a paint by the numbers approach, and all you get is mediocrity. I don't want to knock anyone's taste in anything, but if everything is a zombie game or every character is a wise cracking jokester what is the point? If you can switch around the word balloons or title and it sounds almost the same there is a problem. I heard recently the music/rhythm game genre (Rock Band, Guitar Hero) are being cut back or discontinued. I don't care for those types of game myself, but they over-saturated the market with sub-par fare and now instead of making money they are losing it. I see the same thing with comics; New Avengers, Mighty Avengers, Dark Avengers, Disassembled, Academy,etc, even the good titles get lost in the cesspool of crap. But. I saw another side of what you were saying Bob, and these goofy trends will eventually blow over; keep in mind at one point Rob Liefeld was popular. Hey, some people think "Jersey Shore" is cool, remind them of that in a few years. BTW, thank you for the link, some of those people are off the deep end!
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Post by Shiryu on Mar 31, 2011 11:36:55 GMT -5
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Post by humanbelly on Mar 31, 2011 16:17:55 GMT -5
Blessings and charms upon ya, Shiryu--- thanks for giving ease to our troubled souls-! Are we okay continuing with all of the ongoing tangents in this thread? There are a few things I've been hankering to chime in on, but was reluctant to, since I didn't want to make the field even messier. . . but if you're good with it, then I shan't worry so much---- ;D HB
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Post by drew on Apr 1, 2011 1:33:11 GMT -5
@hb Personally, I want to hear everyone's thoughts or experiences if they have them, good, bad or indifferent. I'd have preferred to talk about EMH directly, but with no new episodes what can you do? As long as it is somewhat relevant... cut loose! That said, I was watching a movie today (Dead Ringers) and it struck me that Jeremy Irons would be quite good as Dr. Doom. I'd rather he play someone like Baron Zemo or Von Strucker, but those are taken and done very well. I always liked how Doom was portrayed with some nobility, for example he protects the people of Latveria but demands absolute loyalty. I think Jeremy Irons could pull that off admirably. I have no idea what the chances are of actually getting him on the show are; but maybe he's a comics fan and would jump at the offer. Anyway, a couple of people have mentioned that pretty much no one has issues with small alterations EMH has made. In the interest of constructive criticism, is there anything you guys don't care for? I know Mockingbird's staff was mentioned a time or two, for example. If it helps get the ball rolling I didn't really care for Klaw being a sonic...thing. I like the MU Klaw just fine. I'm also not crazy about Wonder Man being an energy being as well. I get that they want to have him as a counterpoint to Hank Pym, but couldn't they have used Power Man/Atlas instead? That would be a cool story down the road... The Avengers save NY, but an upstart group of new heroes, the Thunderbolts steal the spotlight. The Hulk and Hawkeye have questionable pasts.. Is Captain America the real deal, or a phony? Is the whole team a publicity stunt bt Tony Stark? This would be quite fitting with the MU style of mistrusting super-heroes.
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Post by Shiryu on Apr 1, 2011 3:02:17 GMT -5
Are we okay continuing with all of the ongoing tangents in this thread? There are a few things I've been hankering to chime in on, but was reluctant to, since I didn't want to make the field even messier. . . but if you're good with it, then I shan't worry so much---- ;D HB Sure, as long as we go back to talking about the episodes once they come back, it's fine
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Post by humanbelly on Apr 1, 2011 19:06:35 GMT -5
. I've heard great things about Batman :Arkham Asylum, and while not a movie tie in it is a licensed title and those are generally not good. But AA seems like they put time and effort into it, and people will buy the sequel. I think my favorite comic related game is Hulk:Ultimate Destruction. It felt exactly like the Ultimate version of the Hulk, and the time and care put into it shows. Marvel Ultimate Alliance was also good, and X-men legends 1-2 were also very enjoyable. ! OMG, drew-- I'm in the process of replaying through X-Men Legends 1 right now--- and am having a grand time of it (and am actually playing it a lot more intelligently than I did 'way back when. . . ). Yes, the graphics are out of date, and it's certainly not up-to-date as far as flashiness and gimmicks and bells&whistles go--- but it's a perfect example of your point. The game is FUN, as opposed to being overly stressful. It's challenging, yet getting the hang of playing it is not at all intimidating. It's also PLENTY long-- which is by far my biggest issue with the last installment of this pseudo-franchise. Ultimate Alliance 2 was almost criminally short, when played as normal mission-oriented game. But I have to say that the fact that my generally non-gamer daughter really likes jumping in on them speaks volumes to their broader appeal. Sort of like MarioKart-- where pretty much anyone can get the hang of it and have a grand time quite quickly. These games do suffer, though, from overwrought, unnatural voiceover work that is laugh-out-loud bad in its MST3K level awfulness. . . Hulk: Ultimate Destruction is one of my favorite games ever, yes. Also enjoyed the Spiderman 2 game a lot (although it could get you bogged down with tedious side missions). And this recent Spiderman game- shattered dimensions- may be one of the best ever-- just again, kind of too short. It left my son & I both wanting to have a full-length game based in each of the 4 dimensions (the Noir Spidey was a particular favorite). And I don't know if there are industry awards for gaming voiceover work, but this game is immensely elevated by all four spidey voices. Neil Patrick Harris! Geeze, he was great! Let me state for the record, though-- I DO NOT DO THAT MUCH GAME-PLAYING-! Truly-- just the little 2-week frenzy every 2 or three months. . . HB
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Post by drew on Apr 2, 2011 3:02:27 GMT -5
Hey HB. I heard a new Spidey game is in the works. Regular Spider-man and his 2099 counterpart must interact to save present day Spider-mans life. I don't know anything else about it, but it's a neat concept, and it's encouraging to see a game that isn't tied to a movie storyline. I don't play a lot of games either, but I generally pick up superhero games just because I like comics but you can generally do a lot more in those games. I really liked Ultimate Alliance 1, but wasn't as entranced by part 2, and I really liked Civil War. The lack of customization hurt it, plus the fact that it tried to stick mostly to story meant you pretty much knew what would happen. I'm also not a fan of one console getting Colossus and one getting Moon Knight, for example (although I like both characters.) It seems like a scam of some kind. I generally listen to my ipod when I play; but Shattered Dimensions was an exception. The vocals were a real treat and the dialogue was pure Spider-man. I think Dan Slott wrote it, but I may be mistaken. While I think all media have some things in common, the most important is probably accessibility to the potential fan/customer (however you want to look at it.) That's why Mario Kart sells so well; anyone can pick it up and have fun with it but if you want to learn everything about it you're going to need to put some effort into it. So it appeals to a broad audience. Likewise, this is how comics tend to work. You (should) be able to pick up any issue of.. say Shang Chi and be able to have a basic grasp of what's happening. I'm not saying comics/games/whatever can't have complexity but if you can't hook new fans you will wither and fade away. I think it's neat your kids can enjoy gaming with you. My pet theory is that part of the reason the Wii sold like it did was because the remote is pretty simple; whereas the other consoles have more complicated controllers and it intimidates people. Perhaps Shiryu had a point when he said most Manga only goes 100 issues or so, then start over. Perhaps the issue number scares some people off. Does anyone have any stories of non-comics fans watching EMH? I'd love to hear stories of converts digging the show. P.S. HB, if you want to take me on on Mario Kart, I'm not above some Distinguished Competition.
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Post by Shiryu on Apr 2, 2011 17:53:25 GMT -5
Does anyone have any stories of non-comics fans watching EMH? I'd love to hear stories of converts digging the show. I did convert a friend to the show, and after watching it she fell in love with Thor and is now reading his entire comic run as I lent her my DVD. She is around issue #200, when Firelord shows up. But it was a bit of a job to convince her to watch the show (a combination of bribing and blackmailing is the way ;D) so I don't know how many non-fans would be following... I remember Batman TAS became a success in Italy, but only after the network stuck to it. It was aired back to back several times at lunch time, and schoolchildren began watching the episodes whilst eating. Justice League instead was only aired once and cancelled half-way through for poor ratings. The same may happen with EMH, if Disney believe in the show and continue airing episodes, possibly in better time slots, it has what it takes to be successfull. But if they let initial ratings prove them otherwise, we may never see Season 3... PS: talking of video-games, I'm a sucker for Marvel and DC-related games. Batman: Arkham Asylum was really really good, one of the best games I've ever played, but very different from ordinary superhero games in that you have to use stealth much more than brawl. I also liked the Wolverine game, the first two Spider-Man games by Activision, the first Marvel Ultimate Alliance (I have the 2nd but I prefer to play on PC so I haven't done much with it), Spider-Man Web of Shadows (despite some glitches) and X-Men Legends 2 (I don't have 1 and can't find it anywhere). On the other hand, the Iron-Man game was really poor IMO, and I remember being disappointed by Spider-Man Friend or Foe, Spider-Man 2 and a Fantastic Four game. A really good couple of not-comic-related superhero games were Freedom Force 1 and 2, with Kirby-like art and an absolute ton of hidden references to Marvel characters. It felt like playing a Silver Age comic book, with slightly goofy but still belieavable villains. Give them a try if you have the chance.
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Post by drew on Apr 3, 2011 1:18:03 GMT -5
Shiryu Congratulations on your convert! Figures it was Thor... he's so dreamy..sigh. It just baffles me that people have no problem forking over the cash for a couple of movie tickets for say Iron Man, they enjoy the movie and don't have any interest in an animated show. When I first saw the opening credits of EMH, I felt a sinking sensation the whole thing would be "Iron Man and his Amazing Friends." Thankfully that wasn't the case. That was what they tried on "Wolverine and the X-Men" and while it was a pretty good show, I liked seeing the other X-men instead of the focus typically being on Wolverine. I think EMH will find a broader fanbase if given some time to prove itself. I'm hoping to see more of the MU; they have all these nifty characters sitting there unused. JLU used to drive me crazy because it seemed like they were saying at first they would use the whole DCU and then we basically just saw John Stewart and Hawkgirl every week. In that respect, Batman the Brave and the Bold was a breath of fresh air. Plastic Man, Aquaman, the Spectre, Detective Chimp... they weren't afraid to take a risk, and it usually paid off. I'd really like to see EMH take on Cable. Not one of my favorite characters, but handled correctly he might be pretty neat, especially if his back story is condensed or ignored. He's a time traveler with mild tk powers, a lifelong soldier and the last X-man. I think that would work. I doubt it would ever happen, but how cool would it be to be to see Captain America clash with the Punisher on EMH? In some ways they are very alike, but they are also very different. It would be a great excuse for Cap to reflect on his life and what he's done in the line of duty. I just don't want to see EMH get into a "comfort zone" and ignore vast chunks of the MU. Sorry you can't find X-men Legends, it is quite good, but part two is arguably better. I picked it up for about seven dollars American, and only paid three for the sequel, so I figured they were probably lousy but I was pleasantly surprised. Countering that, I bought the Iron Man game brand new and that still hurts. I bought part 2 used and was amazed at how little it was improved. Spider-Man has had some decent games in the last few years, it's kind of surprising really. But I doubt we'll ever see a good FF game, even though I liked playing as them in Ultimate Alliance. EMH and the upcoming movies got me thinking about the possibilities of a new Avengers game. I remember the arcade game from the 90's and it was pretty decent. Heck, even a fighting game would be cool. The best idea I liked was an Avengers game in the style of the double screen X-men arcade game. Yeah, it was kinda cheesy but getting a bunch of friends together, deciding who has to be Dazzler, and taking on the evil mutants was a lot of fun.
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Post by owene on Apr 3, 2011 1:43:35 GMT -5
Hulk: Ultimate Destruction is one of my favorite games ever, yes. Also enjoyed the Spiderman 2 game a lot (although it could get you bogged down with tedious side missions). I loved the spider-man 2 game, I just can't do the final battle with Ock at all but up until then I loved it, just loved climbing all the skyscrapers looking for tokens and doing the web races and everything. I think I can honestly say it is the closest I've ever got to the original thrill of reading spider-man when I was 9 or 10. It really nailed the feel of it all. I'll have to have a look for that one, I like NPH and heard some good stuff about the game. can i add my praise to the Batman Arkham game as well.
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Post by humanbelly on Apr 3, 2011 6:04:15 GMT -5
That's why Mario Kart sells so well; anyone can pick it up and have fun with it but if you want to learn everything about it you're going to need to put some effort into it. So it appeals to a broad audience. Likewise, this is how comics tend to work. You (should) be able to pick up any issue of.. say Shang Chi and be able to have a basic grasp of what's happening. I'm not saying comics/games/whatever can't have complexity but if you can't hook new fans you will wither and fade away. Your point has some solid precedents to back it up, drew. Stan himself articulated this as pretty much (silver age) Marvel company policy. If not directly in one of his Soapboxes (although I think that's where he talked about this sort of editorial stuff), then on one of the bullpen bulletin pages. This policiy also popped up on letters pages now and then. A lot of pride was taken in combining depth with accessibility-- they weren't afraid to proclaim it as one of their strengths and as a selling point. You are, indeed, Old Marvel to the bone! Ha! Aaaaaand you would mop up the raceway with me! SonBelly got to the point where he was ridiculously handicapping himself (GameCube controller, slowest, most awkward vehicles, etc), and I still could barely maintain competition! (I must also confess that we've never hooked up our Wii system's online capabilities--- there's a bit of the luddite in the HB family compound. . . HB
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Post by Shiryu on Apr 3, 2011 9:47:15 GMT -5
they have all these nifty characters sitting there unused. JLU used to drive me crazy because it seemed like they were saying at first they would use the whole DCU and then we basically just saw John Stewart and Hawkgirl every week. In that respect, Batman the Brave and the Bold was a breath of fresh air. Plastic Man, Aquaman, the Spectre, Detective Chimp... they weren't afraid to take a risk, and it usually paid off. That could be a double-edged sword though. As a non-DC fan I absolutely hated the episodes focused on anyone outside the core 7. I didn't mind the occasional guest star, like Aquaman, Metamorpho or Etrigan, but I felt that all those season 3 episodes revolving around Captain Atom, Supergirl, Hawk and Dove were such a waste of time that even now I skip them when rewatching the DVDs. My thinking was: why bothering with someone who won't even be here next week? On the other hand, I knew next to nothing about Hawkgirl, but eventually started caring for her as she was there all the time. Now, as Marvel fan I'd like to see as many guest stars as possible in EMH. But is this what the non-fans out there would like? I'm not sure. I'm even inclined to say no because those characters would mean nothing to them. Except for the occasional big name, I think at best there should be recurring guest stars or a bigger rotating roster, but I'm not sure about character-galore... This also ties into a bigger matter: should the animated shows try to win over new watchers who don't know the comic-books, or should they be content to attract as many comic-book readers as possible? With current sales level and television standards, would readers alone even make a big enough audience?
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Post by drew on Apr 3, 2011 14:39:36 GMT -5
Shiryu, you may have a point. That makes me wonder about a rotating roster. Does anyone remember when the government forced the Avengers to cut their roster and admit the Falcon for affirmative action? I can't imagine EMH touching that story with a ten foot pole, but they could easily do something like have Cap on undercover missions for Shield, so they bring in a guest hero to help out. I like seeing unfamiliar characters and then trying to learn more about them, but maybe that's not for everyone. With JLU I think part of my problem was the recurring characters weren't very well fleshed out, imo. Hawkgirl was the loose cannon, GL was the uptight military guy, Supergirl was the rookie, etc. There were a few nice touches, but overall it just seemed formulaic, so I always liked seeing the spotlight on other characters because it always brought something fresh. I think it might boil down to the essential difference between Marvel and DC, and for me it's that the Marvel guys are generally more well rounded. And with the quality of writing and the voice acting, it seems like a shame to not utilize those strengths. I would contend that any character on EMH has more depth than anyone on JLU. The Avengers are written as humans first, superheroes second, JLU was pretty much the opposite. For example, in EMH, we hear first names; Hank, Janet, Tony etc. a lot. We've seen T'Challa with his mask off and he's the stealth character! How many times did anyone in JLU use first names or unmask? It was probably only in the Thanagarian arc. The Avengers have Cap and Hawkeye who rarely appear as civilians, but Cap is falling back into his job because he has nothing else, and Hawkeye is a circus guy who probably feels more comfortable in a costume. You could view the Hulk as a mask for Banner, but Bruce is an emotionally damaged person, so it's natural that he wants to present a strong facade. Or even Thor, they ditched the Don Blake/Jake Olson/Sigurd Jarlson alter ego and a thunder god is still very relatable. He wants to be a dutiful son but clashes with his father. He is sometimes a bit arrogant. He is nervous around a woman he likes, and has sibling issues. I've experienced all those, we all have. To me, that is the secret to EMH, and Marvel comics in general. I like DC too, but it's just different. ...Just a few things I'd noticed. @hb Too bad you aren't playing online; I picked up quite a few tricks watching people from other countries race! I got really good when I was trying to unlock everything, then I took a break for a few months and came back, and those kids are now stomping me into the ground. It's a bit humbling actually. I always enjoy reading any kind of behind the scene stuff I can find, especially from the older guys. I remember reading a thing where Stan Lee was writing monster comics etc. And he went home one day and told his wife he was thinking of trying something new, even though he thought it would flop. That was FF#1. To hedge his bets he put a monster on the cover and they wore street clothes. Les Daniels has written some really cool stuff about the history of comics, if you want to take a look.
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Post by bobc on Apr 4, 2011 11:24:58 GMT -5
Shir--I think it depends on the rate and speed in which you introduce new characters. I think showing quick shots of, say, the Black Knight, is exciting to us older fans, but not distracting to new viewers who aren't familiar with him. It's all about pacing. God only knows I don't want EMH turning into the XMen where there are 10,000 mutants running around--it's impossible to care about the characters when they come at you like a 100 year flood.
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Post by Shiryu on Apr 4, 2011 16:40:53 GMT -5
Oh yes, I liked that Black Knight cameo too. But it was more like an Easter Egg two-second appearance, like Mr Fantastic in another episode. I was talking about having two or three new characters guest-starring in each episode, with only one or two regular Avengers alongside them. It's great fun once in a while, like with the Captain Marvel episode, but as a regular feature in several consecutive episodes it would be too confusing for non-fans I fear.
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Post by drew on Apr 4, 2011 17:15:02 GMT -5
I wouldn't be very surprised to see the Black Knight return at some point. Keep in mind what they did with Doc Samson and Mockingbird; they give them a cameo to establish a foundation then later introduce them. Notice how they've shown/mentioned the FF? Each appearance gets bigger and bigger. I would view more guest stars as validation of my hope of an integrated animated MU, which seems like it would be an obvious draw. Speaking of Easter eggs, did anyone notice the two second teaser of Executioner and Enchantress in "Some Assembly Required?" When the Hulk is standing on the sidewalk they walk right past him! And the dog is there too!
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Post by Shiryu on Apr 4, 2011 17:59:57 GMT -5
I did! I think that's meant to be the moment when she casts her spell on the Hulk.
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Post by drew on Apr 5, 2011 3:49:11 GMT -5
Shiryu Hey! I never thought of that! I wonder why she doesn't just control Thor instead? Does Mjolnir protect him or is like his immunity to Gamma radiation? Something else I was wondering about was Captain Marvel. The Kree are blue skinned, so why is CM in the comics a white guy? I never did figure that one out. And didn't CM have the Nega Bands? That was probably my least favorite episode, not because it was bad but because it seemed like they missed a lot of chances to throw in cool little tidbits. (Like a War of the Worlds reference, for example) Anyway, for everyone who enjoyed Spider-Man: Shattered Dimensions, the new one will be called Edge of Time and stuff Peter does in the present will affect Miguel in the future. It's supposed to be out this fall, probably for all the consoles. That got me thinking; (which is not to be done) everyone here is probably aware the Spider-Man movie is going to be rebooted (sigh.) Well, my thought was why not make a Spider-Man 2099 movie instead? It has name recognition, plus the unknown element, a different setting in Nueva York... I don't know, it could be quite neat. I got the the idea after wondering why comic movies tend to fizzle after three films.
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Post by bobc on Apr 5, 2011 8:31:07 GMT -5
Did you all see the new episode, number 20? It's really, really good.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 5, 2011 11:05:07 GMT -5
The Kree used to come in 2 colors: blue and caucasian. I don't know if this still holds true, though... .
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Post by humanbelly on Apr 5, 2011 11:13:57 GMT -5
Nrghn--- unused memory cells creaking under the strain. . . grargh. . . Wasn't the original explanation that there were two Kree races, with skin color being the only difference? The "pinkies", though, were a very, very definite minority? Hmm, I wonder if I could google it. . . or, heck, probably in Wikipedia
That. . . is an excellent question. Possibly because movies historically haven't looked at individual films as being a part of a larger story? (Star Wars and Star Trek being the exceptions) And so they often end up just covering the same ground in a sequel that they did in the original film. Or they'll have really told as much of the story as necessary, and end up trashing what's happened in the earlier films in order to create a "bold, new direction" for the next one (Think: "Alien 3").
A huge problem, of course, is that movies are too big, too expensive, and take too long to make to sustain longer-term story-telling. Actors in pivotal roles quit (how many guys played Batman in the first go-round??), directors/writers quit or are fired, studios tend to interfere w/ an eye on marketing. . . usually at the expense of adherance to the source material. And there's ALWAYS an underlying sense that what was once great & bold & visionary is now just kind of mundane as everyone jumps on the bandwagon. . .
I'm just sort of free-associatin', here,. . . . probably should get back to work. . .
HB
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Post by bobc on Apr 5, 2011 12:17:44 GMT -5
uhhh--no one's listening. There's a new episode up online.
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Post by Shiryu on Apr 5, 2011 12:23:20 GMT -5
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Post by humanbelly on Apr 5, 2011 13:38:18 GMT -5
uhhh--no one's listening. There's a new episode up online. "Sorry I didn't finish getting the set built, Mr. Artistic Director-- but my pal Bobc said I had to go and watch Earth's Mightiest Heros online! And he means RIGHT NOW!!!" I dunno, I just---- I don't think that's quite gonna fly. . . ;D ;D ;D (Okay, okay-- but a big ol' EXALT to you for delivering the good word to us w/ the speed of Quicksilver. . . ) HB
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Post by bobc on Apr 5, 2011 15:18:12 GMT -5
Hee hee! I prefer "panther-like speed," but I'll take Quicksilver! Yeah apparently these episodes aren't airing yet, but Witchcraftial has them up.
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Post by Shiryu on Apr 5, 2011 16:14:56 GMT -5
Mistery solved! The episodes aired in Australia, and Witchcraftial got them from there.
Anyway, wondeful to have the show back! I'll be editing this post with comments later on
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Post by bobc on Apr 5, 2011 20:33:49 GMT -5
I love how the writers allow all the Avengers to shine. We all have our favorites, but this cartoon lets everybody have his or her moment(s). HB--forgive me--but I always saw the Hulk as a great villain or guest star, but thought he was too erratic to be on a team like the Avengers. EMH has made me a believer. The Hulk is probably the funniest character on the team, along with the Wasp. Any scene with the Hulk and Hawkeye, or Wasp and Hulk, grab my attention.
Did you all catch the great nod to that time in the 80's where Hawkeye had Ant Man on his arrow on the Avengers' cover? Man--what more could we old-schoolers ask for? And when Hawkeye whined that they should move the team to the West Coast--well, I felt totally respected as a fan of more than 30 years.
I will buy ten copies of this DVD when it comes out. Just to support these creators.
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Post by Shiryu on Apr 6, 2011 7:07:55 GMT -5
I hadn't thought about that cover! But it was a nice touch when Clint talked about moving the team on the West Coast ^^ Did you see his tan? Arms and face were darker matching the parts left uncovered by his costume! I thought such attention to detail really sums up the quality of this great show. They even used a fairly minor character like Malekith whom I hadn't seen in the comic books in years.
Even when episode 21 seemed to foreshadow things like the Superhero Registration Act and the Winter Soldier, somehow I didn't mind. It makes sense that the one thing Cap would wish for if he touches the Cosmic Cube is for Bucky to survive that explosion.
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Post by bobc on Apr 6, 2011 8:51:23 GMT -5
I'm with you, Shir. There are so many great little snippets in every show! But yeah the minute I saw Ant Man on the arrow I was like "AHA!!!" I know where that came from!
You know Shir even if the writers bring in some recent storyline that we're not all that wild about, I feel like they'll somehow make it seem good. They are that good, from what I've seen. The writers seem to have a real talent for picking old and new stuff, and making it all fit.
It's so nice to see non-lazy writing for a change--these guys seem to have done their homework and it shows.
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