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New Avenger
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Post by tomk on Jun 3, 2012 21:01:35 GMT -5
Thanks for the heads up.
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Post by drew on Jun 4, 2012 4:28:09 GMT -5
Shiryu to the rescue once again! Guys, I'm not going to spoil anything, but the new episodes are just ... wow. EMH had a couple of lackluster episodes, but this is a return to greatness. It's like a renaissance of the series. The Skrull storyline is concluded, we see the team regroup, and we also see the best written Spider-Man I've ever seen. Yj was pretty cool this week as well, Impulse shows up, but there is a darker reason for his visit. I'm slowly warming up to the five year jump YJ.
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Post by ultron69 on Jun 4, 2012 7:15:10 GMT -5
Drew, did I miss something? The EMH that I got recorded yesterday was the one with Tony Stark vs. the technovore.
By the way, YJ was pretty good, though a bit confusing. The Invasion seemed to take a back seat, but then again, maybe not. I get the impression that the future that Bart came from was a post apocalyptic one in which the Kryloteans had taken over, as both Bart and the Kryloteans used the same slang. At first I was wondering if Bart was a spy or under their control, but by the end of the episode that appeared to not be the case. Anyway, I've always had a weakness for speedsters, so it was cool for me to see all those Flashes.
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Post by Shiryu on Jun 4, 2012 7:52:40 GMT -5
Ultron Avengers alert, 6 new episodes are now online! They are coming out daily from Australia, like it happened last year
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Post by ultron69 on Jun 4, 2012 8:37:51 GMT -5
I missed that. Thanks Shiryu!
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Post by drew on Jun 4, 2012 12:50:02 GMT -5
Ultron Yes! I'm so happy right now, EMH is back and tying up all those loose plot lines, we saw the Falcon(!) Red Hulk, eh, and the Skrull invasion moved forward. I was interested by the inclusion of Spider-Man. Perhaps the changing of EMH to Ultimate Avengers is one of those stupid marketing gimmicks and my favorite show will remain largely unchanged. I know it's foolish but I can hope. Seeing in the credits Chris Yost or Josh Fine gives me the same excitement as seeing a Jack Kirby or George Perez or .. well, you get the idea. As for YJ, I got the impression Bart was trying to stave of a negative future of Earth conquered by the Kroloteans. He only partially succeeded, and his happy go lucky exterior is kind of a mask to hide his true mission, to save the everybody. I did like the nod about Wally being somewhat slower than the other Flashes, pretty much due to a mental block. And Nightwing was great planting the tracer. It seems the series is moving away from the JLA
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Post by drew on Jun 4, 2012 12:59:06 GMT -5
Crud, I hit the wrong button because my phone went off. Anyway, I really like how EMH is finally giving Captain America some attention. He's Marvel's version of Superman, in a way. I think he's way more interesting than Iron Man or even the Hulk. (and Drew loves the Hulk.) BTW, Thundercats is still pretty great, I'd recommend it to anyone.
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Post by ultron69 on Jun 4, 2012 16:05:01 GMT -5
Drew, did you catch YJ?
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Post by Shiryu on Jun 4, 2012 20:06:13 GMT -5
EMH had a couple of lackluster episodes, but this is a return to greatness. It's like a renaissance of the series. The Skrull storyline is concluded, we see the team regroup, and we also see the best written Spider-Man I've ever seen. Totally agree! Episode 9 was ok, episodes 10-13 were great, but the best for me was episode 14. You-know-who was totally awesome and perfectly written.
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Post by drew on Jun 5, 2012 0:41:38 GMT -5
Shiryu, yes, finally seeing the synthezoid was awesome. I was under the impression it took a few seconds to shift densities, but EMH kind of ignored that. I didn't like that he mopped the floor with everybody, but then again Black Panther did the same thing and so did Cap when they were introduced. I think my favorite was the Spider-man episode. It's the standard 616 universe Spidey in many ways, and it also was a good showcase for Captain America. It was about teenagers seeking approval versus adults who are more comfortable just being who they are. I especially liked they got the costume right (the red stripe from shoulders to elbows is a small thing, but still.) they picked a good color palette and even included the Spider-light! I'm going to re-watch the newer episodes because I know there are many things I missed. ultron69 Yes, the way they set up and closed the YJ episode was a bit confusing at first, but I suspect Peter David really enjoys writing for Impulse. The super speed talk was also great. We also got the news that Robin is Tim Drake (unless Impulse was wrong, and Robin went along with it.) I'd really like to see a version of Jason Todd in the series, but it probably won't happen. In Teen Titans it was strongly hinted Red X was Jason, but even then he was voiced by the same actor as Dick Grayson.
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Post by Shiryu on Jun 6, 2012 16:16:09 GMT -5
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Post by humanbelly on Jun 6, 2012 16:38:41 GMT -5
Yep. Yep, it is. But. . . we did talk about this around here not too long ago, didn't we? That this was a completely 100% foregone conclusion? EMH's creative team has been done with the entire project for-- wow-- is it over 18 months, now? And the fact that a more movie-compatible version has obviously been in production for quite some time even further indicates unfortunate status of EMH as nothing more than a slot-filling zombie in the eyes of the programmers and executive producers. I feel just awful for the folks who are trying to gear up, like, protests and organized fan movements and all--- it's just hopelessly too late for something like that to make any difference whatsoever. I think it's too hard to fathom how far ahead film animation has to work. It's just about as un-nimble as a medium can get. I imagine it's quite tricky when something's an unexpected hit, 'cause then it's really tough to get new product out there while the fad is white-hot. Dare I say we give the new series a chance, though? Yeesh, it still looks better than that horrible Avengers cartoon from the 90's, with all the armor and elbow pads and extra weapons and what-not. . . ! ;D HB
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Post by Shiryu on Jun 7, 2012 10:53:28 GMT -5
True, but still sad. They could have continued EMH with the movie's cast, there was no need to cancel it altogether.
Oh well, at least we can still enjoy it. 3 more episodes are out online!!
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Post by ultron69 on Jun 7, 2012 16:28:33 GMT -5
Yeah, it's sad, but I'll most definitely check out the new series, full of hope.
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Post by drew on Jun 11, 2012 14:41:35 GMT -5
Guys the newer episodes are a true return to form. Although I am tired of the Serpent Society, the new episodes are just flat out great, especially when Cap is in the Skrull prison. I'll check out the new series, but those guys( the production crew) have their work cut out for them.
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Post by drew on Jun 11, 2012 23:55:59 GMT -5
ultron69 It just occurred to me that the Tornado Twins Don and Dawn Allen were killed by the Dominators, a yellow alien race, and Barry Allen II (Impulse) was taken into captivity. Substitute the Kroloteans for the Dominators and you pretty much have the current YJ storyline, just with a lot of the fat trimmed. As for EMH, in "Powerless" we see Hawkeye steal the show, and a nice nod to Sigurd Jarleson.
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Post by ultron69 on Jun 12, 2012 7:42:49 GMT -5
I am really looking forward to the new episodes!
Interesting thought on YJ, Drew! Is that Tornado Twins-Dominators storyline from the Legion of Super-Heroes? I don't recall it, but I've missed a good chunk of Legion lore, primarilly from the 90's.
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Post by drew on Jun 12, 2012 12:23:53 GMT -5
ultron69 Good question. The truth is, I don't know for sure. Every time I sink some time/money into the DCU they reboot the dang thing. Apparently speedsters, and Impulse in particular, have some goofy immunity to time shifts. If memory serves, though, then it was the '90's when Impulse appeared in the Flash, and established his cousin as Legionnaire Jenni Ognats/XS. If Bart was indeed under Krolotean/Dominator control since infancy it's only natural he'd pick up some of their phrases/manners of speaking. The latest YJ episode confirmed a lot of my other suspicions. I think you'll like the Yellowjacket episode of EMH. The only thing missing was the hornet's hideaway.
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Post by Shiryu on Jun 12, 2012 15:48:52 GMT -5
Drew, trying not to spoil anything to the others, in the Assault on 42 episode, did you also get the impression that a lot of characters were eaten alive? It was really creepy, and we never saw them again.
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Post by drew on Jun 12, 2012 16:22:44 GMT -5
Shiryu, Yeah, I thought it was just me. The Grey Gargoyle was killed off, Chemistro was transmuted, etc. With the series ending, why not kill or imply that characters were killed? It's cheap drama, but still suspenseful. Granted, everyone who "dies" on EMH could be brought back quite easily but since the series is ending why bother? I must admit I never took Annihilus seriously in the past, but seeing him in "Annihilation Wave" and Ultimate Fantastic Four changed that. He doesn't necessarily want to conquer; he wants to be safe. How he goes about it is terrifying. Seeing Mar-Vell and the Leader again was pretty cool. Jeff Combs, voice of the Leader, was in a recent Thundercats episode as a mentally tortured robot trying to successfully place his deceased family in surrogate mechanical bodies. I highly recommend it.
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Post by ultron69 on Jun 13, 2012 7:17:08 GMT -5
Drew, yeah, at first when I noticed the Kryloteans using the same slang as Bart, I thought he was a spy. Then, at the end, I thought maybe they implied that in the future, the Kryloteans had taken over and decimated earth. So, Bart could have picked up their slang if the earth was Krylotean dominated. I'm still confused.
I know what you mean about DC constantly rebooting. It's very frustrating, and nobody has a more convoluted and confusing history than the Legion of Super-Heroes. I did buy one Legion TBP from the 1994 reboot (the "Archie Legion"), and actually liked it quite a bit. I remember XS being on the team, but my memory is fuzzy on other speedsters. Anyway, in case you're interested, this is what Wikipedia has to say about the Tornado Twins: The Twins' fate has changed with each of the DC Universe's major temporospatial disruptions, although they usually involve death in some way. Post-Crisis on Infinite Earths, they were killed helping the Legion of Super-Heroes fend off a Dominator invasion during the Five Year Gap (a timeline in which Jenni did not exist). Post-Zero Hour, the Dominator invasion occurred about 15 years before the Legion's existence; President Thawne, a corrupt descendant of the supervillain Professor Zoom, arranged for the Twins' murder several months after their children's birth.
The Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds miniseries reveals that the post-Zero Hour characters (including both Meloni and Jeven Ognats, Jenni's father and Dawn's husband) originated on the same Earth as the post-Infinite Crisis version of the Legion (which was introduced in "The Lightning Saga"). Thus, continuity revisions have been made: after Barry's death in the original Crisis, the Twins and their families (Bart and Jenni having already been born) became the target of Professor Zoom, who was attempting to sabotage Don and Meloni's marriage. Both families escaped to Earth-247 (the post-ZH timeline) and the Twins died soon after in unknown circumstances. Both cousins were reunited with their grandmother Iris, and both also rapidly aged to teenagers within days (one can assume that Jenni's rapid-aging stabilized under her own volition, as she never showed signs of it during either Legion series she was featured in).
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Post by drew on Jun 13, 2012 11:02:26 GMT -5
ultron69 Yeah, that kind of data is why I don't read DC anymore. I got into the Archie Legion and not realizing how many previous versions had existed. So, buying back issues to catch up, I accidently bought issues from the previous run which was confusing. I eventually figured it out, enjoyed the comics, then boom! Legion Lost. LL was a very good story but the Legion seems to work better when it's sunny. Then there was the Waid reboot where he tries to be clever (and sometimes succeeds) then that horrible mess that was Legion of 3 Worlds, which I couldn't even follow. Somehow they managed to turn the Titans into a quagmire at about that point as well. I honestly wonder what an editor at DC actually does; because they seem to have the inability to say "no, that idea doesn't work." That said, I miss Jenni. She was fun.
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Post by ultron69 on Jun 13, 2012 14:08:44 GMT -5
Drew, I grew up with the Bronze Age Legion, with Paul Levitz in 1978, and was hooked. The Levitz run, and he was doing the Legion on and off from 1977 to 1989, is my favorite Legion run. In fact, to me, the "real" Legion runs from Adventure #247 up through the conclusion of Magic Wars, in 1989, with The Legion of Super-Heroes #63. In fact, somebody at DC must agree with me, as the recent reboot (the one before the one last September, I mean) essentially picked up from that point. Technically, that span does not contain any reboots, either, though things did get a bit messed up some time after 1986 with Crisis on Infinite Earths.
Still, I don’t think anyone has suffered more at the hands of DC’s messed up take on continuity than the Legion. Even so, this last reboot doesn’t seem to have messed them up much. Still, this is one thing I think Marvel does much better than DC.
I agree with you about the Waid run. I actually thought it was pretty well written, but it was too far a deviation from the traditional, “happy shiny Star Trek” future many of us grew up with, and more important, I think he went too far with the adults vs. kids theme. I think all of the Legion versions bring something interesting to the table, but I’ll still take my Bronze Age Legion. I liked Legion of 3 Worlds, and I thought they did some clever things, both with the writing and the art, but I didn’t love it nearly as much as many other Legion fans. I think you’re right about DC editors. As far as Jenni, I love speedsters, but in the handful of issues I’ve read with her, she hardly did anything, didn’t show me much, so I don’t have a good read on her.
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Post by starfoxxx on Jun 13, 2012 14:46:57 GMT -5
Drew, I grew up with the Bronze Age Legion, with Paul Levitz in 1978, and was hooked. The Levitz run, and he was doing the Legion on and off from 1977 to 1989, is my favorite Legion run. In fact, to me, the "real" Legion runs from Adventure #247 up through the conclusion of Magic Wars, in 1989, with The Legion of Super-Heroes #63. In fact, somebody at DC must agree with me, as the recent reboot (the one before the one last September, I mean) essentially picked up from that point. Technically, that span does not contain any reboots, either, I agree, MY personal Marvel Universe does not include most of the crap from the 90s (Cable, Bishop, Onslaught, etc....) Levitz current LOSH series is one of the few I continue to pick up regularly (along with Avengers Academy and Secret Avengers). I do not enjoy the writing of most current Marvel and DC writers, with Gage, Remender, and Abnett/Lanning the exceptions. Levitz writes comics the way I grew up enjoying them in the 80s, so I'm glad he's still around. And the art on LOSH has been pretty consistently good. I also enjoyed Roger Stern's story in Hulk smash Avengers #3, a neat done-in-one set during the 80s avengers roster (though the ret-conning was a bit unnecessary, IMHO.)
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Post by ultron69 on Jun 14, 2012 7:03:57 GMT -5
starfoxxx, I don't think there is a worse decade for any comic company than 90's Marvel. Almost everything they brought out was garbage. A bunch of gun toting, leather wearing, anti-heroes. I despise Cable and Bishop, and indeed all of those X-Men from some alternate future who for some reason decided to hang out in the mainstream Marvel universe.
I pretty much stopped buying new comics, but the last one I did continue collecting was the Levitz Legion. I also really enjoted the Abnett/Lanning Guardians of the Galaxy. It was probably my favorite Marvel comic at the time. I will definitely have to check out Hulk Smash Avengers #3, especially since it seems that we have similar taste in comics.
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Post by starfoxxx on Jun 17, 2012 14:08:34 GMT -5
Great News Assemblers (with cable)---
I just saw a listing for a new Avengers:EMH on Sunday, June 24th, 11:37 a.m. on DisneyHD.
Wiki says it will feature the Red Hulk, and Falcon shows up!
I TRIED to watch an episode of Ultimate Spidey (I was intrigued by the Taskmaster app.), but I was NOT impressed. Just seemed like it was trying too hard to be modern, i guess I'm just old. It sucked, IMO.
But I HAVE been checking out Young Justice (funny thing, when I've been browsing the posts and seen comments on "YJ" I thought everyone was referring to YELLOWJACKET. Ha.) But Young Justice is pretty darn good. Maybe it should get its own thread, unless it already does, of course.
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Post by spiderwasp on Jun 17, 2012 17:43:33 GMT -5
Great News Assemblers (with cable)--- (funny thing, when I've been browsing the posts and seen comments on "YJ" I thought everyone was referring to YELLOWJACKET. Ha.) LOL Until I just read this, that's what I thought too. I've never heard of Young Justice.
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Post by Shiryu on Jun 17, 2012 19:35:03 GMT -5
You should also check out the Green Lantern animated series. Once you get past the CGI, it's really pretty good.
I'd be happy to give YJ its own thread if everybody feels the same as Starfoxxx? I've been watching, and enjoying, it myself, but not much time for commenting so far. It's by Greg Weisman, the creator of Gargoyles, which IMO is one of the best cartoons ever, west of the Atlantic.
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Post by drew on Jun 18, 2012 1:41:13 GMT -5
Shiryu, I'm in for a Young Justice thread. I personally like watching Thundercats, GL, and YJ all in a row. If GL wasn't paired with the other shows, I probably wouldn't have gotten into it. Gargoyles was quite good; although some episodes were a little weird. It probably helped pave the way for EMH, as it was very comic-book like and action heavy. I never understood though, was if the Gargoyles were all Scottish, how come only Hudson had an accent?
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Post by Shiryu on Jun 18, 2012 8:59:27 GMT -5
I never understood though, was if the Gargoyles were all Scottish, how come only Hudson had an accent? Perhaps, being the oldest, he spent the longest time around humans and got their accent. Anyhow, I'm about to open the YJ thread, so we can talk about that series there.
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