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Post by Shiryu on Jun 2, 2010 18:04:57 GMT -5
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Post by dlw66 on Jun 2, 2010 22:34:33 GMT -5
I believe Sharkar expressed reservations about the casting of Chris Evans in the role of Cap. While I think the costume they've chosen is quite good -- straight out of The Ultimates, which I think most people assumed would happen -- I also don't see Evans as looking like what I would expect Captain America to look like. As much as Robert Downey, Jr. nailed Ultimate Tony Stark, this one's a "miss" in my opinion.
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Post by Shiryu on Jun 3, 2010 6:22:01 GMT -5
I thought what made Evans perfect for the Human Torch, was that "don't take me too seriously" expression of his, which fits with Johnny Storm. But Cap takes himself rather seriously and I agree that Evans, while having the phisique, doesn't look quite charismatic enough. I would see him more as Hawkeye for example.
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Post by humanbelly on Jun 3, 2010 12:03:55 GMT -5
Ohmigod, Hawkeye would be an inspired casting choice for him! Nice one. Sadly, you know who would have been PERFECT as Cap? Young, young Robert Redford. There's an old Twilight Zone episode where he plays Death masquerading as a wounded policeman. If you ever see it (2nd season, I think), just watch it & think "Steve Rogers" to yourself. There he is. What a shame that he was misplaced in time for this opportunity. . .
HB
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Post by kidcage on Jun 3, 2010 16:39:40 GMT -5
Ohmigod, Hawkeye would be an inspired casting choice for him! Nice one. Sadly, you know who would have been PERFECT as Cap? Young, young Robert Redford. There's an old Twilight Zone episode where he plays Death masquerading as a wounded policeman. If you ever see it (2nd season, I think), just watch it & think "Steve Rogers" to yourself. There he is. What a shame that he was misplaced in time for this opportunity. . . HB Wow... my turn to exalt you sir. Pulling a Hawkeye reference, Cap, AND Twilight Zone in one shot. Actually, seeing I absolutely LOVE that episode... a young Redford would have been PERFECT for Cap. As for the costume, it is decent for being an Ultimates take, but I'd have preferred the wings on the side of the head  |
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Post by sharkar on Jun 3, 2010 19:47:36 GMT -5
...Sadly, you know who would have been PERFECT as Cap? Young, young Robert Redford...just watch it & think "Steve Rogers" to yourself. There he is. What a shame that he was misplaced in time for this opportunity. . . Wow, HB, great minds think alike!  ... For Cap, you'd need someone along the lines of a young Robert Redford, who had the perfectly angled square jaw--plus the gravitas-- to play Cap. They sure look good in turtlenecks, don't they? ;D  |
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Post by humanbelly on Jun 4, 2010 5:20:18 GMT -5
...Sadly, you know who would have been PERFECT as Cap? Young, young Robert Redford...just watch it & think "Steve Rogers" to yourself. There he is. What a shame that he was misplaced in time for this opportunity. . . Wow, HB, great minds think alike! ... For Cap, you'd need someone along the lines of a young Robert Redford, who had the perfectly angled square jaw--plus the gravitas-- to play Cap. They sure look good in turtlenecks, don't they? ;D Ha! I knew something had reinforced that comparison for me-- and appropriately enough it was you, Sharkar ol' pal! Boy, that's some "Twin sons of different mothers" graphic you've provided. Certainly worthy of initiating a thread of its own-- a Who-would-you-cast? kind of thing. Perhaps not limited to current stars, eh? HB |
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Post by humanbelly on Jun 4, 2010 8:48:46 GMT -5
Ohmigod, Hawkeye would be an inspired casting choice for him! Nice one. Sadly, you know who would have been PERFECT as Cap? Young, young Robert Redford. There's an old Twilight Zone episode where he plays Death masquerading as a wounded policeman. If you ever see it (2nd season, I think), just watch it & think "Steve Rogers" to yourself. There he is. What a shame that he was misplaced in time for this opportunity. . . HB Wow... my turn to exalt you sir. Pulling a Hawkeye reference, Cap, AND Twilight Zone in one shot. Actually, seeing I absolutely LOVE that episode... a young Redford would have been PERFECT for Cap. As for the costume, it is decent for being an Ultimates take, but I'd have preferred the wings on the side of the head Ah, you're too kind, KidCage. Y'know, for some reason Redford's performance (& that episode in general) tends to get lightly panned in Tw.Zone books/reviews, and I just don't get it. Redford's gentleness, warmth & sincerity at the end, and the older woman's (curse me for not recalling her name just now) achingly reluctant surrender to him despite her all-consuming fear leaves me in tears every time I watch it. My 11 year old daughter has become a huge Twilight Zone fan, and it's absolutely one of her favorite episodes. Oh! Wings on the helmet? I'm pretty certain they're one of those details that can be carried off in graphic form, but just look silly when put on a live, moving actor. Catch the live-action Tick series-- it'll make the point perfectly. Most of the costumes used for various heroes/villains throughout aren't really any more outlandish than the traditional comic-book variety-- but they get put on a live body, and suddenly accessories that look great on the page (capes, tall boots, fancy gauntlets, helmet wings, etc) become delightfully & comically absurd--! HB |
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Post by sharkar on Jun 4, 2010 11:59:53 GMT -5
Ah, you're too kind, KidCage. Y'know, for some reason Redford's performance (& that episode in general) tends to get lightly panned in Tw.Zone books/reviews, and I just don't get it. Redford's gentleness, warmth & sincerity at the end, and the older woman's (curse me for not recalling her name just now)... Gladys Cooper! In her youth she was one of the most celebrated beauties of her time, and a fair actress to boot. I've only seen excerpts from this episode (in Redford bios on TV)...what I've seen is very moving. My parents love to tell me about a Playhouse 90 episode (I looked it up--"In the Presence of Mine Enemies", from 1960). There was a young blond actor in the role of a Nazi soldier who stood out because, in their words: "He was awful! So wooden!" Years later, they realized it was the young Mr. R. |
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Post by sharkar on Jun 4, 2010 12:15:08 GMT -5
Ha! I knew something had reinforced that comparison for me-- and appropriately enough it was you, Sharkar ol' pal! Boy, that's some "Twin sons of different mothers" graphic you've provided. Certainly worthy of initiating a thread of its own-- a Who-would-you-cast? kind of thing. Perhaps not limited to current stars, eh? HB, you've just given me the perfect excuse ;D to re-post an image that was originally posted by the much-missed von bek a while back: a model sheet by John Buscema of the male Avengers (presumably done in advance of Avengers #41, John's first Avengers issue). This model sheet is reproduced in Alter Ego #42, along with the fascinating information that someone (Stan? Roy? ) had jotted down suggestions of actor prototypes for John. I guess these choices made some kind of sense in 1967, but I'm betting much of this casting will strike us today as, well, odd. Here's the model sheet:  And here's the "casting:" Hercules= Steve Reeves (okay, to be expected) Quicksilver = Fred Astaire Hawkeye= Anthony Quinn Goliath= Robert Culp Cap= Burt Lancaster |
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Post by humanbelly on Jun 4, 2010 13:11:31 GMT -5
Ha! I knew something had reinforced that comparison for me-- and appropriately enough it was you, Sharkar ol' pal! Boy, that's some "Twin sons of different mothers" graphic you've provided. Certainly worthy of initiating a thread of its own-- a Who-would-you-cast? kind of thing. Perhaps not limited to current stars, eh? HB, you've just given me the perfect excuse ;D to re-post an image that was originally posted by the much-missed von bek a while back: a model sheet by John Buscema of the male Avengers (presumably done in advance of Avengers #41, John's first Avengers issue). This model sheet is reproduced in Alter Ego #42, along with the fascinating information that someone (Stan? Roy? ) had jotted down suggestions of actor prototypes for John. I guess these choices made some kind of sense in 1967, but I'm betting much of this casting will strike us today as, well, odd. Here's the model sheet: And here's the "casting:" Hercules= Steve Reeves (okay, to be expected) Quicksilver = Fred Astaire Hawkeye= Anthony Quinn Goliath= Robert Culp Cap= Burt Lancaster Liking young Burt Lancaster as Cap a lot. NEVER would have thought of it, but-- tall, very buff (I believe his career began as a circus acrobat or aerialist or something?), wonderfully self-possessed & quietly self-confident manner. Robert Culp as Hank Pym? That's a great one! Culp had leading-man looks, but was certainly on the quirky side. Perfect for Hank. Anthony Quinn as Hawkeye?? The Dashing Young Archer??? Hanhh?? Clint: Fairly tall, blond hair, blue eyes. Tony Quinn: Average height (possibly short?), very dark & swarthy. Dashing?? For pete's sake, Quinn played Quasimodo early in his career. Even in the fullest bloom of his youth, I don't think "dashing" would have been the first descriptive word to come to mind. . . And I can sorta see Astaire's physique for Pietro. . . but wow, not his face. Heh-- I don't think Quicksilver could have sustained his prickly personality if he'd been sporting Astaire's rather soft, heavy-lidded, unconcerned pate all these years-! Hmm-- maybe Orlando Bloom could swing Quicksilver? Or Leo DiCapprio? HB |
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Post by goldenfist on Jun 5, 2010 14:00:21 GMT -5
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Post by humanbelly on Jun 6, 2010 5:35:29 GMT -5
Boy, if you'd taken the accompaning photo from that article, and captioned it as "Jeremy Renner as Hawkeye in Upcoming Avengers Film", I would have completely believed it. I think his look is dead-on. He's even got Clint's oft-seen sideburns! Much as I liked the Chris Evans idea, I may be fickle enough to abandon that choice already. . . HB |
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Post by Commander Benson on Jun 6, 2010 12:44:01 GMT -5
I did a "Casting the Avengers" article in my Deck Log column last year. Because I'm not familiar with modern-day actors and actresses, I limited myself to using only performers from the '30's through the '60's (with the caveat that the actor would be taken from the time when he was age-appropriate to the character). Because it's a bunch of "olden-days" folks, you may not be interested, but here is a link to the article: www.captaincomics.us/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=768&Itemid=1In my responses, I got a much better suggestion for the actor to play Quicksilver: a young Horst Bulcholz (with appropriately lightened hair). That was a much better choice than my original selection. Bucholz had that sense of impatient energy and the European accent, to boot. |
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Post by humanbelly on Jun 6, 2010 15:31:10 GMT -5
Say, was Horst the young German fellow who played the young hot-headed Mexican fellow in "Magnificent Seven"? (I actually did not realize he was truly supposed to be Mexican until the DVD commentary features. I assumed he was a seriously displaced German kid. . . ).
If so--- yeah, he'd be solid for Quicksilver-- I think much more preferable to Michael Landon.
Neat article-- well worth hopping over to, especially for us middle-agers. Although, wow, you do pull some good choices from some obscure places! Nice depth of research--
HB
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Post by Commander Benson on Jun 7, 2010 11:34:02 GMT -5
Yep, that's the fellow.
As I mentioned in the article, I had been working on casting the Justice League for literally years. But I had only been thinking about who I would choose to play the Avengers for a week, so I was bound to miss some better choices.
One responder suggested the young Horst Buchholz based on his performance on One, Two, Three (United Artists, 1961). I have seen One, Two, Three, and the suggestion was spot-on. In that film, Buchholz displays vague arrogance, vague disdain, and seems ready to burst with energy, even when standing still---all qualities perfect for Quicksilver. The young Michael Landon had the dynamism and impatience, but, in retrospect, he would have come across as too sympathetic.
The "casting" game is compelling. My "Casting the Justice League" article was posted just before my "Casting the Avengers", and in the former, I mentioned that I originally tried to avoid such contemplations. But the thing is: if you disagree with someone else's suggestion, then your mind immediately turns to thinking about whom you would cast yourself.
Thanks for the kind words about the piece.
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Post by sharkar on Jun 8, 2010 18:28:23 GMT -5
Boy, if you'd taken the accompaning photo from that article, and captioned it as "Jeremy Renner as Hawkeye in Upcoming Avengers Film", I would have completely believed it. I think his look is dead-on. He's even got Clint's oft-seen sideburns! I'll say! This is Clint! |
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Post by sharkar on Jun 8, 2010 18:53:24 GMT -5
Liking young Burt Lancaster as Cap a lot. NEVER would have thought of it, but-- tall, very buff (I believe his career began as a circus acrobat or aerialist or something?), wonderfully self-possessed & quietly self-confident manner. I think of Lancaster as Clay Quartermain, since it's generally accepted Lancaster was the model for Steranko's Quartermain. Robert Culp as Hank Pym? That's a great one! Culp had leading-man looks, but was certainly on the quirky side. Perfect for Hank. I could see Culp's Bob and Carol co-star Natalie Wood as the Wasp back in the day. Anthony Quinn as Hawkeye?? The Dashing Young Archer??? Hanhh?? Clint: Fairly tall, blond hair, blue eyes. Tony Quinn: Average height (possibly short?), very dark & swarthy. Dashing?? For pete's sake, Quinn played Quasimodo early in his career. Even in the fullest bloom of his youth, I don't think "dashing" would have been the first descriptive word to come to mind. . . I know! This comparison is very far-fetched. Well, the only way I can rationalize this in terms of a connection to Hawkeye is to consider Quinn's Zorba persona...you know, the "live for today", flouting authority, irreverent attitude--or something like that.  And I can sorta see Astaire's physique for Pietro. . . but wow, not his face. Yes, I guess here the connection here was Astaire's nimbleness, his fleet footwork, and so on. And since Michael Landon (God, how I LOVED Little Joe!) was mentioned, let me add I've long pictured his Bonanza cohort David Canary (circa 20-30 years ago) as Pietro--he's sported a mane of silvery white hair for some time, and facially he has a fine yet strong bone structure with chiseled features. (I guess he could've also played Magneto.) I could also see Daniel Day-Lewis and Madeleine Stowe (circa their appearance in Last of the Mohicans) as Pietro and Wanda; (naturally, he'd have to dye his hair); they have the intensity and the bone structure, and I think they look like they could be bro and sis (or at least they did back then)! |
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Post by sharkar on Jun 8, 2010 19:14:49 GMT -5
BTW, I picked up a copy of Avengers: Spotlight today and guess what's included: a reproduction of the Buscema model sheet I posted above! marvel.com/catalog/?id=15119There's no mention of the movie stars/Anthony Quinn as Hawkeye ;D, but this Spotlight is probably a must-have for all of us here at Avengers Assembled. There's tons of Avengers trivia plus features on the Avengers' scribes/artists past and present, such as Brubaker, Gage, Thomas, Englehart, Stern, Busiek, Pacheco, and others. Something for everyone. The highlight for me (and others too, I'm sure): a Big John Buscema feature, with commentary from
John's granddaughter Stephanie (herself a comics pro). Naturally, the best part is all the JB Avengers art reproduced here! |
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Post by kidcage on Jun 9, 2010 13:21:04 GMT -5
Yeah, I saw the art and was like "that would make for a good option for my Hawkeye tattoo." Yes... I'm getting a Hawkeye tattoo |
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