Doctor Bong
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Post by Doctor Bong on Feb 12, 2010 23:47:01 GMT -5
This is only tangentially related, but I didn't see any mention of this; not sure how it slipped through the cracks. But earlier this week, Marvel announced that Luke Cage will be leading a new team of Thunderbolts after the reboot: www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=24771Consisting of Moonstone, Crossbones, Ghost, Juggernaut and Man-Thing. So it looks as though Cage won't be on the Avengers after the relaunch, unless he's doing the magic Wolverine double duty. Man-thing? MAN-THING?? Is Man-Thing different now than he used to be? Heck, has he even been active? How in the world did he get on the Raft? Was Marvel about to lose copyright on him? How. . . how does a thing that doesn't even think at all fit into a precision team environment?? (Boy, I wonder if poor ol' Ted Sallis is still buried in there somewhere? You wanna talk your tragic circumstances--- Bruce Banner's livin' in gravy compared to Ted. . . ). Juggernaut's a great choice, I think. Historically a serious villain who has accrued a surprising amount of humanity. Crossbones--- geeze, hasn't he killed a bajillion innocent folks? How can he be in the program when Abe was dragged through hell for the unintended death of another super villain? Moonstone, sure-- sooner or later she actually WILL find the emotional fortitude to unresignedly commit to being on the side of the angels. Man, what happened to Karla in her formative years? Aaaaand Ghost is someone I have no knowledge of. I think. . . I think I'll spring for a subscription to this book. I used to love Thunderbolts, and just never picked it back up after its first cancellation. And I've always thought of it as a "companion" book to the Avengers. HB I was gonna mention the same thing about Man-Thing, belly (he's one of my favorite Marvel characters), but then, who says we're not in the age of Mighty Marvel complete rewriting of characters...? The way Man-Thing used to be, it would certainly make little sense... . Remember the Dark Avengers captured it recently as part of Osborn's to do list...? Although I cannot fathom why Manny would be on his to do list at all... . And it was defeated with ridiculous ease by Ares then, I might add. Well, as far as Ted Sallis' fate, yeah, it was certainly tragic, but on the brighter (?) side, at least his consciousness was so deeply buried inside Man-Thing that Sallis wasn't actually aware of his lot in life, unlike Banner or (even more so) Ben Grimm. That is, except for the brief ocassions when it would become once more Ted Sallis, causing his human persona to resurface. In fact, there's a Two-in-One story were the Thing meets Man-Thing for the first time and (briefly) realizes that his own lot in life isn't so grim (allow me the bad pun) after all! And about Crossbones, yeah, he seems at least as bad a choice as Bullseye, from the body-count point of view; perhaps even worse, as many MU villains have been shown to consider working with the Red Skrull the point where they draw the line with their villainy.
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Doctor Bong
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Post by Doctor Bong on Feb 13, 2010 0:01:58 GMT -5
Ghost is part of Red Skull's team, he appeared in Captain America: Reborn. But I have to say I'm not very familiar with him either outside of that series. He used to be mainly an Iron Man foe, with the technologically-based powers to turn intangible and invisible (hence his moniker), but he could only do one of those things at a time. Because of his powers and his ruthlessness, he was considered one of the top spies/saboteurs in the MU.
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Post by Shiryu on Feb 13, 2010 6:38:13 GMT -5
The rationale behind the decision of adding Man-Thing is briefly touched upon here www.newsarama.com/comics/Thunderbolts-Luke-Cage-100209.htmlI've been reading Thunderbolts for the past few months and there are some intersting dynamics at play. The roster is Ghost, Paladin, Mister X, Headsman, Scourge (Nuke, from Daredevil) and the new Ant-Man. Two issues ago Grizzly also joined. Of these, Paladin, Headsman and Ghost have showed some redeeming qualities, helping to save Black Widow and Songbird. Headsman has just been killed at the end of last issue, I hope Paladin survives, I used to like him the few times he appeared in Avengers during the Stern-Buscema years. Back to Secret Avengers, it would make sense for Brubaker to write the book if the leader is indeed Steve. Perhaps it's some Shield secret task force or something similar?
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Post by humanbelly on Feb 13, 2010 7:06:15 GMT -5
Ghost is part of Red Skull's team, he appeared in Captain America: Reborn. But I have to say I'm not very familiar with him either outside of that series. He used to be mainly an Iron Man foe, with the technologically-based powers to turn intangible and invisible (hence his moniker), but he could only do one of those things at a time. Because of his powers and his ruthlessness, he was considered one of the top spies/saboteurs in the MU. Yesyesyesyes-- now I recall. Though my only memory is "Ghost in the Machine"-- from mid-eighties Iron Man, kind of when the book was in a slump, with the white armor, maybe? (Or near that period, anyhoo). Yeesh, well-- if there's an obligatory "3rd-rate Reformed Villain" slot on the team (Fixer, anyone?), this would surely be the guy. . . HB
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Post by starfoxxx on Feb 13, 2010 13:13:20 GMT -5
Ghost is part of Red Skull's team, he appeared in Captain America: Reborn. But I have to say I'm not very familiar with him either outside of that series. GHOST ( ) - former agent of Roxxon & AIM, freelance industrial saboteur, former ally of Spymaster (Sinclair Abbott), former inventor, betrayed & dropped out of field, established identity to destroy other technology corporations, destroyed Accutech, Electronica Fabrizzi, developed "you da man" program used by Mad Bomber become invisible or intangible, program other machinery or computers of contact, fire energy blasts MAD BOMBER*,Johnny (U#3, M, OH: AZU#3, net)�Iron Man I#219(220,221 238-240 Amazing Spider-Man An25, Spectacular Spider-Man An11, Web of Spider-Man An7, Amazing Spider-Man II#16, [Iron Man III#42,43],44,45, Iron Man: The Inevitable#1-4 --His new "battlesuit" seems like a rip-off of the ghost guy from Hellboy 2.
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Post by Shiryu on Feb 13, 2010 13:27:40 GMT -5
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Post by starfoxxx on Apr 7, 2010 17:24:30 GMT -5
Yay! Just heard that Beast and Rhodey will be in Secret Avengers. REAL Avengers, IMO, and now I'm pretty excited about one of the new AVENGERS titles.
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Post by spiderwasp on Apr 7, 2010 22:11:32 GMT -5
Yay! Just heard that Beast and Rhodey will be in Secret Avengers. REAL Avengers, IMO, and now I'm pretty excited about one of the new AVENGERS titles. This might actually mean I end up buying an Avengers title. Oh happy day!
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Post by kidcage on Apr 12, 2010 14:15:53 GMT -5
Yeah, my comic store had the ads up for this that were now revealed and it had War Machine, Beast, Nova, and Moon Knight up, but hadn't revealed the last two. So far it looks like a pretty decent line-up, especially since three of those four have past Avengers ties.
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Post by freedomfighter on Apr 12, 2010 21:35:58 GMT -5
I know this won't shock anyone but I actually found the reveal to be incredibly annoying. If you look at the original blacked out images and the revealed images, you can see they've been significantly altered. War Machine's epaulets were taken off as were the Beast's talons and fur and they changed the shape of his head. What's the point of a guessing game if you're going to change the images on the reveal? www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=25616
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Post by goldenfist on Apr 14, 2010 12:22:54 GMT -5
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Post by kidcage on Apr 14, 2010 14:01:19 GMT -5
Not too bad looking, but it does look like they did a LOT of changing going from silhouette to reveal, which is just a bit of a cop out.
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Post by Ignore Me! on Apr 14, 2010 14:23:21 GMT -5
It's actually a nice range of characters. I just don't trust the writing at Marvel these days.
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Post by spiderwasp on Apr 14, 2010 15:38:08 GMT -5
Hey, I guessed that one.
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Post by starfoxxx on Apr 14, 2010 16:41:48 GMT -5
Also Valkyrie. Great lineup, IMO, and I'm getting pretty excited about this book.
I think it comes out in May.
War machine- Tech, plus serious guy.
Beast- Hopefully humor. If he's the same old funny blue fuzzball, I can look past the cat part.
Valkyrie- female, plus the god/superiority thing.
Moon Knight- mysterious, crazy, Bat-man type.
Nova- the kid (although he's been around forever----still better than Amodeus Cho or Reptyl (barfff!) or any of the other turds that have been "created" recently.
And i hope eventually it's a $2.99 book (let's cross our fingers)
Also, anyone hear if Guardians ofthe Galaxy is cancelled? Abnett/Lanning are doing a Thanos book next month---but i haven't seen a solicit for GofG #26 yet.
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Post by humanbelly on Apr 14, 2010 19:33:36 GMT -5
I'm especially glad to see Valkyrie here-- I believe I've even stumped for her on these very boards. But, okay, here's where everyone can go "HB, how can you not know this??" and roll their eyes and wave their hands and point me out to their curious children: Who exactly IS Valkyrie at this point? Is she now her actual, real Asgardian self? I assume she's not the Enchantress, or Samantha someone (Hulk 142), or Barbara Norris (most of the run of the Defenders), or another more recent chick who appears on a custom Heroscape card that I've seen. Or is she?
I'm great with the rest of the team for the most part-- although Moon Knight's never held much attraction for me. A solid mix of well-established yet not over-exposed characters. I do worry that there's not a lick of history between any of them though--- they're a pack of strangers. It's tricky to just throw random ingredients into the soup and get it to come out palatable.
For some reason, it makes me think of Force Works, but I'm not sure why. I'll enhance any further personal shame I may be incurring by saying that. . . I kind of liked that odd, ill-fated, pseudo Avengers spin-off. I think I read most of it in one sitting, and I'm betting it held up better that way than it did on a monthly basis. BUT- not much of it stayed with me. Other than wondering what the heck Century's whole deal was.
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Doctor Bong
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 15, 2010 5:04:38 GMT -5
I'm especially glad to see Valkyrie here-- I believe I've even stumped for her on these very boards. But, okay, here's where everyone can go "HB, how can you not know this??" and roll their eyes and wave their hands and point me out to their curious children: Who exactly IS Valkyrie at this point? Is she now her actual, real Asgardian self? I assume she's not the Enchantress, or Samantha someone (Hulk 142), or Barbara Norris (most of the run of the Defenders), or another more recent chick who appears on a custom Heroscape card that I've seen. Or is she? I'm great with the rest of the team for the most part-- although Moon Knight's never held much attraction for me. A solid mix of well-established yet not over-exposed characters. I do worry that there's not a lick of history between any of them though--- they're a pack of strangers. It's tricky to just throw random ingredients into the soup and get it to come out palatable. For some reason, it makes me think of Force Works, but I'm not sure why. I'll enhance any further personal shame I may be incurring by saying that. . . I kind of liked that odd, ill-fated, pseudo Avengers spin-off. I think I read most of it in one sitting, and I'm betting it held up better that way than it did on a monthly basis. BUT- not much of it stayed with me. Other than wondering what the heck Century's whole deal was. HB Belly, I'm SOMEWHAT more up to date on Val than you are, but I realize not enough... . I know she, along with every other asgardian, died on the Last Ragnarok which ended the Thunder God's previous run. At the same time, a DIFFERENT Valkyrie reappeared on Earth, but whether this was by design or one of the many continuity errors running rampant at the time in the MU I do not know... . And another thing I don't know is whether this Valkyrie is the resurrected "true" (if such an animal exists in her case...) Val, resurrected when the rest of the asgardians came back to live in Oklahoma (of all places...), or if this is that second Valkyrie which remained on Earth and never died. When we talk about Val's continuity, even if we don't take into account the 2 Valkyries I've just mentioned, we're talking serious continuity labyrinths and puzzles, a la DC... . As for Force Works, I must admit as well that I followed their adventures and wanted to like them, as first and foremost I've always been an Iron Man fan, but several roadblocks managed to barr my way to that particular promised land. The first few issues, IMO, held the promise of good things to come, as such issues often are wont to do. Unfortunately, this promise never materialized in the case of FW. Mainly, FW paved the way for the huge trainwreck that was "The Crossing". But putting this aside, I hated in many ways IM's characterization, even before TC. He put Wanda in charge of the team, but would never let her lead on, much like... much like he would do later on with Ms. Marvel... hmm, come to think of it, there MAY be historical evidence for this but, still, as an IM fan, I don't have to like it... in my view that makes him too much of a jerk, not to mention a fool... and in my book, Tony Stark may be many things, but a fool shouldn't be one of them... . But, for my money, the worst thing by far about FW was the art... . It was painful for me to look at it! IMO it's the worst comic book art ever, worst even than Leifield's. Also, Wanda's costume during that period of time was easily the worst she's ever had (IMO). As far as Century goes, don't worry, belly, you're not alone in your confusion as to what was that all about... .
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Post by goldenfist on Apr 15, 2010 22:19:31 GMT -5
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Post by starfoxxx on Apr 16, 2010 9:17:54 GMT -5
Thanks for the image, goldenfist. holy crap! internet buzz says that's Steve Rogers: Super Soldier. Again, it's even harder not to get excited about this book-- But I too am sceptical it's gonna last, ala Force Works or secret Defenders. I think a key that has historically helped many team books is the "changing of the guard" (by improving on and changing team dynamics and chemistry, which Secret Defenders failed at miserably). Even Bendis realizes changing it up is good, although he tends to work at a snail's pace in his intro's and never fully explains/follows up his outros.......oh, it'll all be explained in the "big event" of 2017, right? So maybe this will have a whole new line-up by issue #5....or maybe #16 ? Also, there's some buzz that this Super-Soldier character has been seen carrying a gun- opening up the whole "Cap doesn't use guns...Bucky does" argument. Sorry for diarrhea of the mouth..but it's nice to be talking about Avengers stuff again.
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Post by freedomfighter on Apr 16, 2010 9:48:27 GMT -5
Hasn't Moon Knight been something of a homicidal maniac in the last few years? Steve Rogers is feeling somewhat redundant these days. And with Valkyrie are the Avengers now up to seven or eight gods on their various rosters? (Thor, Herc, Ares, Gilgamesh, Sersi, and maybe Mantis- who ascended to godhood... and Silverclaw who's the daughter of a goddess) I'm kinda "God-ded out." I am happy to see Hank, Rhodey and Nova in the fold tho' . Shame Hank Pym or Jocasta didn't make the cut. Jocasta is much more versatile than Valkyrie in my opinion and Hank, well if he wants to be secret all he has to do is stay small...
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Post by goldenfist on Apr 17, 2010 11:10:05 GMT -5
Starfoxx Steve is a soldier.....In fact when he was just Steve Rogers he would carry a gun before switching into Captain America.
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Post by goldenfist on Apr 19, 2010 22:51:24 GMT -5
Secret Avengers #1 Cover
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Post by kidcage on Apr 25, 2010 13:47:04 GMT -5
Aside from Hawkeye & Mockingbird, this could be one of the comics I get really excited about with this new title and "Heroic Age." I'm curious though on whether or not the Ant-Man in this picture is Pym or the new guy over from Thunderbolts.
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Post by goldenfist on Apr 26, 2010 22:02:10 GMT -5
The Ant-Man in Secret Avengers is Eric O'Grady who was part of the Thunderbolts.
Sharon Carter will also be joinning the Secret Avengers.
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Post by kidcage on Apr 27, 2010 13:06:54 GMT -5
Thanks for clearing that up, goldenfist. Yeah, this has definitely rocketed to the top two of "Titles I'm going to be reading first"
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Post by goldenfist on Apr 30, 2010 14:37:54 GMT -5
you can go check out of Secret Avengers #1 at the Secret Avenge rs topic you'll see a link there, Which will take you to the site that will show the Secret Avengers first look at issue #1.
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Post by Shiryu on Apr 30, 2010 15:02:57 GMT -5
I've moved this topic to the SA section now
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Post by goldenfist on May 3, 2010 22:12:09 GMT -5
Here's a big picture of the Secret Avengers I put together
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Post by goldenfist on May 5, 2010 11:23:58 GMT -5
Here's another cover of Secret Avengers #1.
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Post by freedomfighter on May 5, 2010 23:22:15 GMT -5
Here's another cover of Secret Avengers #1. why is Steve Rogers wearing wicker baskets for shoes??
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