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Post by medinnus on Nov 3, 2009 11:01:01 GMT -5
And this is a professional? It looks like Rogers is strung out on heroin. Or being played by Eddie Izzard. What a horrible drawing. Not as bad as the Liefeld "Chest you can land an aircraft on!" rendering, but still... ewww. Nice armor though.  |
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Post by thunderstrike78 on Nov 3, 2009 11:43:23 GMT -5
Agreed about the horrible rendering. Frankly, I'm not even sure I like the armor. I miss Sean Chen.
Incidentally (and this is neither here nor there), I was talking with a friend of mine the other day who happens to own a comic shop and has been active in publishing indie comics. As such, he has been getting to know a lot of the artists who are active in the industry right now, and has met and chatted with several of the bigger-name artists at conventions. He has been shocked to find that many (most?) of the artists in the industry right now are emphatically NOT comics fans. They don't read them, they never did, and they prefer movies and video games. Apparently, they commonly just draw comics because it pays and it's easier than holding down a 9-5 job.
To my friend's credit, he was pretty outraged. He feels (and I agree with him) that there should be some sense of history, some sense of love for the characters, the universe, etc. But there isn't any. It's just a paycheck, and a paycheck for doing something that they don't even particularly like.
It's sad, quite frankly.
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Post by humanbelly on Nov 4, 2009 5:43:44 GMT -5
Agreed about the horrible rendering. Frankly, I'm not even sure I like the armor. I miss Sean Chen. Incidentally (and this is neither here nor there), I was talking with a friend of mine the other day who happens to own a comic shop and has been active in publishing indie comics. As such, he has been getting to know a lot of the artists who are active in the industry right now, and has met and chatted with several of the bigger-name artists at conventions. He has been shocked to find that many (most?) of the artists in the industry right now are emphatically NOT comics fans. They don't read them, they never did, and they prefer movies and video games. Apparently, they commonly just draw comics because it pays and it's easier than holding down a 9-5 job. To my friend's credit, he was pretty outraged. He feels (and I agree with him) that there should be some sense of history, some sense of love for the characters, the universe, etc. But there isn't any. It's just a paycheck, and a paycheck for doing something that they don't even particularly like. It's sad, quite frankly. And yet. . . and yet. . . and yet. . . A fact that's been well-discussed in these pages is that one of our unabashed artistic icons- John Buscema- was openly disdainful of drawing superhero comics (CONAN being the one book where he felt artistically inspired). Is there a difference between his motivations and these newer guys? I mean, I'd truly like to think so, but I'm curious. And, of course, there's always the unknowable factor of how "cool" it is to diss the work you're doing in public, so's not to appear vulnerable by taking it too seriously. Bobc, I'm sure, can chime in on the trendy personality quirks of this modern generation of artists in industrial pop culture. (Bob? You want to step up to the mike?) HB |
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Post by squidboy on Nov 4, 2009 19:37:56 GMT -5
I would love to hear Bobc's views on this as well! Oh, Bob....Hello?....I do think that some of it is the attempt to seem aloof and "cool" but It's just a guess as I don't know anyone in the business.
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Post by bobc on Nov 7, 2009 17:54:15 GMT -5
Sorry I didn't see this until now. Not to be a jerk, but the drawing is really stiff, and amateurish. CA's eyes convey zero emotion--in fact, it is impossible to know what CA is supposed to be feeling by looking at that illustration. He looks like a deer caught in the headlights--or more like a walleye flopping around in a net.
That being said, the coloring here is just perfect! Perfectly WRONG. Muddy, overly complicated--it is impossible to tell what you are supposed to be focusing on. What's with the rock texture on the wall? It just adds to the confusion on this (I'm assuming) cover.
This is a perfect example of two things:
1. A newbie artist who learned how to draw from looking at comics, rather than studying real human anatomy.
2. The Everything But the Kitchen Sink approach to coloring. Less is more, usually. Remember that thread where people picked their favorite covers? Well most were simple and direct, as it should be. A simple image draws your eye in a sea of clutter.
Yeah this drawing is bad, but the coloring is the real disaster.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Nov 7, 2009 17:58:31 GMT -5
God I hope this doesn't mean Steve Rogers is gonna be the new Iron Man...
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Post by humanbelly on Nov 7, 2009 18:34:32 GMT -5
God I hope this doesn't mean Steve Rogers is gonna be the new Iron Man... Oh man, do you suppose the big idea is for him to somehow inherit the Iron Patriot armor & identity once Norman's gone?? Oh, I can TOTALLY see that being the "brilliant" wrap-up to all of this mess, because if you ignore history, characterization, precedent and everything else identified with good story-telling, then it makes PERFECT sense from a Corporate, Have-Our-Cake-And-Eat-It-Too perspective. Brubaker & Bendis get to keep Bucky-Cap as Captain America, preserving their creative vision, and we sad traditionalists would theoretically be "mollified" by getting Steve Rogers back as NEWANDIMPROVED patriotically-themed superhero. Why, what's not to love, eh? Oh, surely not, no. I believe I'm being far too cynical. Especially since we're s'posed to be seeing the Big Three reunited soon. No, it wouldn't make sense. Hmm-- what if Bucky were to take over the Iron Patriot persona while Steve went back to being Cap? That, I could probably live with. . . Thanks for chiming in, Bobc! Hey, did you care to expand on the "Artists only doing it for the paycheck" subject? HB |
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Post by bobc on Nov 9, 2009 9:21:40 GMT -5
Hi HB--people in video games want to do comics, and people in comics want to do video games. The grass is always greener. I'm not against artists doing it "just for the paycheck" since John Buscema could be accused of that--but at least bring talent and hard work to the table.
Hey--have you guys played my game Ghostbusters? It came out in June.
Anyway--re: CA becoming Iron Man. It's bound to happen. Everything at Marvel is such a disjointed, convoluted mess right now that it's about the only bad plot device they haven't foisted upon us.
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Post by sharkar on Nov 9, 2009 22:19:57 GMT -5
John B. may have preferred tackling the sword and scorcery genre to the long underwear crowd (as he often referred to superheroes), but I think we have to take some of his protestations with a grain of salt; he must have cared about his superhero work to some extent, as can be deduced by the many documented reports chronicling his criticism of inkers on his superheroes, as well as his famous disapointment over Stan's less-than-complimentary (initial) reaction to John's pencils for Silver Surfer #4. Y'know, in a way John is the Marlon Brando of the comics world; Brando was always dismissing his own work, and acting and movie-making in general, as garbage. (But something tells me sometimes they doth protest too much.  ) |
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Post by humanbelly on Nov 10, 2009 6:11:20 GMT -5
John B. may have preferred tackling the sword and scorcery genre to the long underwear crowd (as he often referred to superheroes), but I think we have to take some of his protestations with a grain of salt; he must have cared about his superhero work to some extent, as can be deduced by the many documented reports chronicling his criticism of inkers on his superheroes, as well as his famous disappointment over Stan's less-than-complimentary (initial) reaction to John's pencils for Silver Surfer #4. Y'know, in a way John is the Marlon Brando of the comics world; Brando was always dismissing his own work, and acting and movie-making in general, as garbage. (But something tells me sometimes they doth protest too much. ) Yep, that's a very apt point, Shar. Many, many of the very finest artists- in all fields, I imagine- are plagued by chronic insecurity & self-doubt, and it seems like one of the classic defense mechanisms for that is to be dismissive and disdainful of either their own work, or the medium itself, or possibly both. And yet there's undeniably an enormous amount of pride lurking below all of it. I imagine you have John B pegged, here. The fact that he was so particular about his inkers is a dead giveaway of the serious professional lurking within the artistic temperament. One of the best local actresses I've ever worked with (just an average, harried Mom, who did a good bit of Dinner Theater-- that's it) forever HATED every show she was in, hated every scene, felt like she was ruining every production. And she was invariably brilliant. Could bring life to some of the most inane dialog you've ever heard. And could never accept, on the surface, that she was doing a great job. But one had to assume that she still needed to be fed that praise to keep going. Ah, artists. . . Oh wow-- I've made it to Avenger level on my icon. So--- what, do I start receiving royalties now, or something? Disney time-share? Cookies, at least. . . ? HB |
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Post by bobc on Nov 10, 2009 15:40:55 GMT -5
Hey--I make video games for a living and don't play them at all. I think they are a waste of time. But I do care about doing my best work on the games I help develop.
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