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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 13, 2007 7:39:47 GMT -5
What is the most important thing for any hero to have?
I have to choose Honor. Without that it's easy for a hero to become not so much a hero
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BigDuke
Reservist Avenger
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Post by BigDuke on Apr 13, 2007 8:11:55 GMT -5
Definitely honor: The ability to see what is right and do it
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Post by redstatecap on Apr 13, 2007 9:30:14 GMT -5
Honor, no question.
RSC
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 13, 2007 9:44:11 GMT -5
I can't say honour- if it was honour, then we'd consider DOOM a hero.
I definitely voted for integrity and I'm amazed no one else has.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 13, 2007 11:47:18 GMT -5
I have. Curious & curiouser...
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 13, 2007 11:49:14 GMT -5
Indeed, there are a few bad guys out there (usually the most interesting ones...) who have honor, sometimes perhaps not your typical sense of honor, but a code of honor nonetheless...
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Post by iastagehand on Apr 14, 2007 3:01:56 GMT -5
i figured that loyalty would at least merit a nomination on the list but it is not to be found
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 14, 2007 23:44:26 GMT -5
sorry stagehand,.. it should've been.
It's just not always possible to think of all the aspects of these polls on the spot sometimes.
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Post by dlw66 on Apr 15, 2007 17:39:43 GMT -5
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Post by dlw66 on Apr 15, 2007 17:42:06 GMT -5
I find this a difficult poll... One could certainly argue where the line is between courage/honor/integrity/...
When you scan Nutcase's criteria from top to bottom, is it any wonder why so many were/are upset about the death of Steve Rogers? It's not just a costume -- there was a man inside who embodied all of the ideals on this list.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 15, 2007 17:47:06 GMT -5
sorta what helped me make my list
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Post by balok on Apr 15, 2007 20:23:51 GMT -5
Had to go with honor, which for me means knowing what's right and defending what's right even if everyone else in the room wants what's wrong. Cap embodied that quality right up until his death - even in that, he basically gave his life for someone else.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Apr 15, 2007 21:39:23 GMT -5
I find this a difficult poll... So do I. Where’s government licensing?
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Post by Alchemist-X on Apr 15, 2007 22:44:39 GMT -5
Luck. Without a little good luck, every hero in the entire MU would be dead at least five times over.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 16, 2007 10:59:57 GMT -5
Had to go with honor, which for me means knowing what's right and defending what's right even if everyone else in the room wants what's wrong. Cap embodied that quality right up until his death - even in that, he basically gave his life for someone else. I'd say Cap embodied integrity FAR more than honour in the way he conducted himself. He surrendered because he realised he'd been conducting himself with no integrity, not because of honour in the end.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 16, 2007 16:09:02 GMT -5
Doom please dont tell someone their choice is wrong or I'll send Iron Man over to have a 'conversation' about it.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 17, 2007 14:28:35 GMT -5
Doom please dont tell someone their choice is wrong or I'll send Iron Man over to have a 'conversation' about it. IM charges too much per "conversation", Nutcase... You might not be able to make your mortage this month & THEN your wife will put you through a wall... wait, no, she won't, because they are not yet paid for, but , still... women's imagination is fertile when it comes to brandishing punishment for us, bumblers... Why risk it...? Better go with someone like Bullseye, who has cheaper rates 'cause he just enjoys dishing out pain...
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 17, 2007 14:33:56 GMT -5
Doom please dont tell someone their choice is wrong or I'll send Iron Man over to have a 'conversation' about it. IM charges too much per "conversation", Nutcase... You might not be able to make your mortage this month & THEN your wife will put you through a wall... wait, no, she won't, because they are not yet paid for, but , still... women's imagination is fertile when it comes to brandishing punishment for us, bumblers... Why risk it...? Better go with someone like Bullseye, who has cheaper rates 'cause he just enjoys dishing out pain... I don't want him paralysed from the neck down, that would be an argument, I just want a conversation. Plus my wife already has Bullseye on retainer.
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Post by Shiryu on Apr 18, 2007 3:43:30 GMT -5
I voted for integrity. Honor is a very valuable asset, but does not really make a difference between hero and villain. Sub-mariner, Kingpin, Kraven and Dr.Doom all have a strong sense of honor, and yet are or have been villains, sometimes even treacherous, basically because the word can mean different things to different people. Strenght, courage, speed etc are all things an hero should have (if anything if he plans to survive the day ^^), but once again don't make an hero per se, whilst integrity, ability to distinguish right from wrong and strong morals IMO are the key values.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 18, 2007 11:07:41 GMT -5
^ ^ ^ ^ See!
I still haven't heard anyone justify why honour is better than integrity for heroes when even villains often have honour.
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Post by Tana Nile on Apr 18, 2007 11:46:33 GMT -5
^ ^ ^ ^ See! I still haven't heard anyone justify why honour is better than integrity for heroes when even villains often have honour. Since this is purely one's personal opinion, why should we have to "justify" anything? It's not a contest, is it?
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Post by Tana Nile on Apr 18, 2007 11:54:13 GMT -5
I think the most important quality of a true hero is the willingness to sacrifice themselves for something greater than themselves, whether it is society, a belief, or the life of one other person.
But I also think the word "hero" is thrown around far too loosely, as we now have things like "sports heroes". I'm a sports fan, I've played sports, but there's nothing heroic about it.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 18, 2007 12:02:28 GMT -5
^ ^ ^ ^ See! I still haven't heard anyone justify why honour is better than integrity for heroes when even villains often have honour. Since this is purely one's personal opinion, why should we have to "justify" anything? It's not a contest, is it? It's ALWAYS a contest
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Post by dlw66 on Apr 18, 2007 12:05:40 GMT -5
Personally I think integrity lives within honor.
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Post by Shiryu on Apr 18, 2007 12:53:21 GMT -5
It's an interesting perspective. Could you expand on it ?
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Post by dlw66 on Apr 18, 2007 12:59:15 GMT -5
Without going to a dictionary, integrity to me talks about one's trustworthiness, reliability, and the absence of hypocrisy. One's honor (the sense that there is self-worth, and an obligation toward self and community) would seem to drive one's integrity.
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Post by Shiryu on Apr 18, 2007 13:08:21 GMT -5
Hmm... I'm not sure that honor means obligation towards community, I've always seen it used only for self reference. Say, for example, someone defeats an honorable guard and kills a group of people. The guard would want to catch the culprit because his mission of protecting the people failed, and as such the death of the victims reflects his own inability to live to his word and duty, which was to protect them. If however the same guard would just be passing by and hear about the murder, he would have no obligation towards those people and his honor would still be intact. Thus, he may decide not to hunt the culprit. Someone with strong integrity instead would do it just because it's the right thing to do, without any personal link.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 18, 2007 16:16:29 GMT -5
And people in the Maffia have their own code of honor, which often involves doing stuff the rest of us would find highly dishonorable...
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Post by The Night Phantom on Apr 18, 2007 21:10:32 GMT -5
Without going to a dictionary, integrity to me talks about one's trustworthiness, reliability, and the absence of hypocrisy. One's honor (the sense that there is self-worth, and an obligation toward self and community) would seem to drive one's integrity. Well, I did go to a dictionary! Actually, I went to three of them: Merriam-Webster | firm adherence to a code of especially moral or artistic values : INCORRUPTIBILITY | American Heritage | Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code | Oxford English | Soundness of moral principle; the character of uncorrupted virtue, esp. in relation to truth and fair dealing; uprightness, honesty, sincerity. |
Honor appears to be more complexly defined. The first two dictionaries include the word integrity in the definitions of honor.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 19, 2007 11:09:34 GMT -5
Phantom my friend, we need to get you a social life
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