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Post by michidiers on Apr 5, 2009 14:23:57 GMT -5
No, the comic with Spidey´s face hasn´t got a barcode anywhere...!
And now y remark another difference of the two comics: the corner box on the left side of the comics on the top are different too. Maybe you can see it on the litte picture:
corner box ofthe left comic: july #197 40ct
corner box of the right comic: 40ct 197 cc july 02458
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Post by michidiers on Apr 6, 2009 12:59:18 GMT -5
Here is a little bit bigger picture to compare the two different corner boxes on the top and the bottom of the cover. Is anotherone able to explain the different boxes? Many questions, i hope you´ll not fall in despair of it...
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Post by scottharris on Apr 6, 2009 13:43:12 GMT -5
Spiderwasp is correct. The comic without the barcode was produced for direct sale at comic book stores, while the comic with the barcode was for newsstands, bookstores and other regular commercial outlets. I believe they were sent out by different distributors, which is why the comic with the barcode also has the little "cc" and weird serial number up in the corner box. This practice remained standard for a number of years and is even more pronounced during the 65-75 cent era. Here's the cover of Thor #350 for the newsstand: And here's the same comic for the direct market: For my money, the second design, with the Marvel "M" price box and the giant issue number, is vastly more appealing. It just looks so much nicer to me. When I am buying back issues from this era, I try to always get the direct version so I have the nice, giant issue number. Having the doodle instead of the barcode in the bottom box is also a small bonus as well.
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Post by Shiryu on Apr 19, 2009 11:01:23 GMT -5
Talking about characters names abroad, here is something. In his very early years in Italy, Superman was renamed... Nembo Kid (!). This was mostly for copyright reasons, from 1951 to 1974, when he is finally allowed to use his real name. Here are a few covers The name is still part of the culture, especially in middle-aged folks who remember reading his stories at the time. It's now fading away, but a few years ago it wasn't too uncommon to hear people say "who am I supposed to be? Nembo Kid?" when asked to do something beyond their possibilities. Apparently, some 15/20 years ago, a father tried to name his son Nembo Kid, but the court didn't give him permission ^^
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Post by sharkar on Apr 24, 2009 11:18:37 GMT -5
Shiryu, thanks for the fascinating info (as usual). So these were just retitled Superman stories? His chest insignia is devoid of the "S" for obvious reasons...was it too difficult for the artists/production people to paste an "N" there?
I looked and couldn't find a translation, what does "Nembo" mean or signify? Cloud?
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Post by Shiryu on Apr 25, 2009 21:13:16 GMT -5
Yes, as far as I know they are the original stories except for the name. I don't know if they didn't change the S into an N for artistic, economic or legal reasons.
Nembo is a somewhat old-fashion/jergon way to say cloud. In these days you only hear it during the weather forecast on tv, usually in its plural nembi (or more appropriately cumolonembi, ie the low level dark clouds).
Considering that the golden age Superman looks a bit older than his present self, I find it quite funny they named him "kid" ^^
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Post by sharkar on Apr 27, 2009 22:17:07 GMT -5
Nembo is a somewhat old-fashion/jergon way to say cloud. In these days you only hear it during the weather forecast on tv, usually in its plural nembi (or more appropriately cumolonembi, ie the low level dark clouds). Ah, so the idea behind the name is that he came from the clouds (or sky, or from somewhere up above)? Okay... Earlier I was critical of the "Kid's" no-letter chest insignia, but at least they didn't give him a cloud as his chest insignia, like Light Lass had for a while back in the '60s. Apparently readers didn't know it was a cloud (conveying weightlessness), so the artist soon changed her insignia to a feather (you know, as in "light as a feather..."). Back then, I guess clouds were just too nebulous to be used as symbols on costumes...
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Post by scottharris on May 7, 2009 5:24:19 GMT -5
Say, where can I find these Italian reprints? Particularly ones with Avengers. I am in Italy for the next week and am wondering if there are comic shops here that would carry back issues of Italian Avengers stories. Thanks.
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Post by Shiryu on May 7, 2009 6:05:35 GMT -5
Unless you want the New or Mighty Avengers, which are currently in the newsstands, you have to go in a "fumetteria" (Italian for comic book shop). Nearly all of them have large amounts of old issues. Now, remember that in Italy the Avengers are called "Vendicatori" and have been printed on several different books over the decades. For issues 1-177, you have to search for Thor by Publishing House Corno. This is really old material and the hardest/most expensive to find. Between 178 and 208, they are scattered across a number of specials or short living books From 209 to 298 and 323-333 you have to look for "Capitan America e i Vendicatori" (published by Star Comics), because Cap and the Avengers shared the book for most of their main run. I have the almost complete collection and it's not too hard to find or not too expensive 299-321 are either unpublished or on "I Vendicatori" by Marvel Italia 380 onwards, including the entire Avengers Volume 3 run by Busiek, are on "Iron Man ed i Vendicatori", again by Marvel Italia. Here, the Avengers share the book with shellhead. They are easy to find cost about a couple of Euros each. Here is a full cronology if you are looking for specific issues Main title www.geocities.com/herogalaxy01/cronoaven.htmWest Coast www.geocities.com/herogalaxy01/cronowcav.htmOther Titles www.geocities.com/herogalaxy01/cronoaval.htmMost fumetteria are listed online. If you tell me where in Italy you are going, I can try to find the addresses of the closest ones.
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Post by scottharris on May 7, 2009 23:05:24 GMT -5
I'll be in Venice tomorrow and then in Rome Sunday, Monday and Tuesday. Thanks for the help.
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Post by Shiryu on May 8, 2009 0:57:54 GMT -5
In two cities so big there are plenty of fumetterie, you should not be disappointed. EDIT: here is a list, I couldn't check them all but I put in bold the ones most likely to have old material. VENEZIA CORNER COMICS di Ciampi Andrea Via Sauro Nazario 92 - San Donà di Piave (VE) Tel. 0421/222877 EDICOLA IL CHIOSCO Via Mattei, 1 - Marcon (VE) Tel. 041/5951393 FUMETTI IN GONDOLA Viale Tirreno, 86/F - Sottomarina di Chioggia (VE) Tel. e Fax 041/4967706 - Cell. 347/5710639 Email: fumettingondola@interfree.it LA BOTTEGA DELL'USATO Via Pasini, 3 - Marghera (VE) Tel. 041/970367 LA TANA DEL BIANCONIGLIO Via C. Vizzotto 18 - San Donà di Piave (VE) Tel. 0421/476913 Email: tanabianconiglio@gmail.com Myspace: myspace.com/tanabianconiglio LIBRERIA SOLARIS Cannaregio, 2332 - Venezia Tel. 041/5241098 www.libreriasolaris.comEmail: info@libreriasolaris.com LIBRERIA SOLARIS 2 Campo S.Margherita, 2920 - Venezia Tel. 041/5232571 TAROZZO MARIO Via Valmarana, 4I - Mira (VE) VECCHI GIORNALI Via Cardinal Massaia, 38 - Mestre (VE) Tel. 041/956148 Email: venezia@supergulp.net ROMAThe first two in particular look promising GALACTUS Via Malladra, 14/16 - Roma Tel. 06/3372346 www.galactus.it Email: galactus@galactus.itCASA DEL FUMETTO Via Gino Nais, 19-29 - Roma Tel. 06/39749003 www.casadelfumetto.it Email: casadelfumetto@casadelfumetto.it LIBRERIA POCKET 2000 Via Famagosta, 39/41 - Roma Tel. 06/37515700 Web: www.pocket2000.com Email: pocket2000@gmail.comOLIMPO DEL FUMETTO Via Flavio Stilicone, 52/54 - Roma Tel. 06/76965861 Email: olimpodelfumetto@tiscalinet.itANBU ZONE Via Camilla, 13A - Roma Tel. 06/99706795 Email: noeru83@hotmail.com APPIA COMICS Via dei Colli Albani, 7 - Roma Tel. 06/7801269 ARISTOGAMES Via Cassia, 1742 - Roma Tel. e Fax 06/30895440 ARMANDO ALLA STAZIONE Piazza Esedra - Roma Cel. 339/2230045 BOOKSERVICE Via dei Castagni angoli Viale Pioppi - Roma DEMON STAR Via Gaspare Gozzi, 105/107 - Roma Tel. e Fax 06/5404706 Email: stardemon@ciaoweb.it EL GATO NIGRO Via Bruno Buozzi, 23 - Genzano di Roma (RM) Tel. e Fax 06/9363110 Email: staff@elgatonigro.it FORBIDDEN PLANET Via Pinerolo 11/15 - Roma Tel. 06/70305702 Fax 06/70391806 Email: info@forbiddenplanet.it FUMETTO Via G.Mazzini, 27/B - Monterotondo (RM) Tel./Fax 06/90085351 Email: widen@libero.it GAMES MANIA Via Catullo, 32A - Pomezia (RM) Tel. 06/9111705 IL PAPIRO Via Conca d'Oro, 342 - Roma Tel. 06/88328074 IL TROVALIBRI Via Aurelio Cotta, 8 - Roma Tel. 06/76964332 IMAGE Via Vittorio Veneto, 71 - Nettuno (RM) Tel. 06/9804522 INFINITY SHOP Via Suor Maria Mazzarello - Roma JAPAN WORLD Via di donna Olimpia, 11/D - Roma Tel. 06/53272888 L'ANGOLO DEL COLLEZIONISTA Via Giordano Bruno, 51 - Roma Tel. 06/39737432 LA PULCE Via Tor De'Schiavi, 186 - Roma Tel. 06/24402311 LE NUVOLE PARLANTI V.le Ippocrate, 13 - Roma Tel. 06/4402688 www.nuvoleparlanti.it (in costruzione) Email: nuvoleparlanti@fastwebnet.it LIBRERIA GIOLITTI Via Giolitti, 319 - Roma Tel. 06/4464916 Cell. 338/5465301 Email: immaginicinema@inwind.it LIBRERIA OLIMPO Via delle Cave, 26 - Roma Tel. 067803186 LIBRERIA UFO Via Ostiense, 54bis - Roma Tel. 06/5759176 MONDO PERDUTO Via A. Busiri Vici, 30/32 - Roma Tel. 06/5882117 NUVOLOSO Club P.za Luigi Sabatini, 12 - Albano Laziale (Roma) Tel. 06/9322693 PAN STORE Via Tarquinio Prisco, 85 - Roma Tel. 06/233200639 PLANET COMICS Via A.Friggeri, 162 - Roma Tel. 06/35453716 ROCK'N TROLL Via Alfredo Nobel, 2/4 - Roma Tel. 06/5573457 SHIBUYA V.le delle Milizie, 70 - Roma Tel. 06/37411343 www.shibuyastore.comEmail: info@shibuyastore.com SOGNI DI CARTA Via Lucio Elio Seiano, 42/44 - Roma Tel. 06/7615831 SPAZIO CORTO MALTESE Via Margutta - Roma STAR SHOP Viale dell'Arte, 57/59 - Roma Tel. 06/5910096 STAR SHOP Via Laurina, 4 - Roma Tel. 06/3223502 STAR SHOP Via Degli Scipioni, 116 - Roma Tel. 06/3614060 STAR SHOP Via Andreotto Saracini, 39 - Lido di Ostia (Roma) Tel. 06/5691775 STAR SHOP Via L. Mantegazza, 59 A-B - Roma Tel. 06/538985 STAR SHOP Viale Caravaggio, 117 - Roma Tel. 06/538985 Fax 06/535356 STARDUST V.le Giustiniano Imperatore, 276 - Roma Tel. e Fax 06/5410076 ZONA MANGA Via di Santa Costanza, 28 - Roma Tel. 06/8414275
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Post by scottharris on May 11, 2009 12:43:33 GMT -5
Just wanted to let you know that I did finally find a store that had back issues. Venice was a bust but I went to Galactus in Rome (the store, not the planet eating giant). They did have a pretty good selection, but it was almost entirely Heroes Return to present. Jammed in one of the boxes though, all by itself, was one lonesome issue of Thor and the Avengers. It was a very good one though, as it reprinted the classic Avengers #166. And it was only 1 euro. So though I was a bit disappointed that I could only find one back issue, overall Iàm pretty happy with it, so thanks again for the help.
By the way, he did have an American copy of Avengers #1 for 3,000 euro. It was in pretty nice condition too. Check those piggy banks.
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Post by Shiryu on May 12, 2009 16:54:41 GMT -5
I'm glad you found something! It's amazing they only had 1 issue, I've never been comics hunting in Rome, but in Genoa or Pisa they have hundreds of these But the price was even more amazing, for a Corno book. They usually are hard to find at less than 5 Euros and are pretty rare. I suppose the owner of the shop didn't really know much about the old comics.
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Post by michidiers on Jun 13, 2009 6:19:02 GMT -5
As you perhaps know, I´m a collector and a reader of the Avenger Vol I comics. In the Moment I´m reading the number 140 of the serial. I´ve got almost the complete Vol. 1 in my collection.
It is nesserary to own issues of another serials (Iron Man, Cap America for example) to understand the full Avenger serial-historie. It is nessesary to buy issues when the Avengers were imbedded in crossovers? For example the minicorossover Captain Marvel 33 and Avengers 125 (Thanos war)? Will come another crossovers as of number 140 - 402 of the Vol. 1?
Which issues of another serials I have to buy?
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Post by scottharris on Jun 13, 2009 14:27:08 GMT -5
As a collector an a reader of the Avenger Vol I comics. In the Moment I´m reading the number 140 of the serial. I´ve got almost the complete Vol. 1 in my collection. It is nesserary to own issues of another serials (Iron Man, Cap America for example) to understand the full Avenger serial-historie. It is nessesary to buy issues when the Avengers were imbedded in crossovers? For example the minicorossover Captain Marvel 33 and Avengers 125 (Thanos war)? Will come another crossovers as of number 140 - 402 of the Vol. 1? Which issues of another serials I have to buy? There aren't too many for awhile if you're on #140. There are several company wide events that the Avengers appear in, and some of these stories spill into Avengers, but for the most part you don't actually need to get these events to follow Avengers. Back when these came out, the editorial policy was to have these big events be less of a straight, linear plot and more of a scenario that the different titles would then come up with their own stories about. Some examples would be the un-titled company wide events around Avengers #244 and #249 (the Wraith storyline from ROM and the Ragnarok storyline from Thor); Secret Wars II (which spills into Avengers starting around #261 and finishes in a special epilogue to the event in Avengers #266); Inferno (which pops up in Avengers #298); and others. Actual crossovers, however, are more rare. Annuals #14 is a weird pseudo-crossover with that year's FF annual, but one or the other is enough, you don't need both. Annuals #15 and 16 are actual crossovers with West Coast Avengers Annuals #1 and 2, and after that the Annuals became a yearly crossover event, but most of those are also terrible. There are some earlier crossovers in Annuals as well; Annual #7 is a crossover with Marvel Team Up Annual #2 (if I am remembering correctly) and is a follow-up to the Thanos story you mentioned. The only real crossovers that come to mind from #140-402 take place from #345-up. There's the epic Operation Galactic Storm, which was a 19 issue crossover between all the related Avengers books (meaning Avengers, WCA, Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, Quasar and Wonder Man). Around #360-367 or so there are several crossovers with X-Men. And Around #391 is the Crossing crossover, which is terrible and crosses over into Force Works and Iron Man and maybe other books, I don't recall. There's also a really bizarre non-crossover called First Sign or something, which seems to be about an upcoming attack by Zodiac, and is set up in issues of Thor, Cap and Iron Man; but thanks to Heroes Reborn, this storyline never actually happened, meaning the crossover is just a prologue to nothing at all. I might have missed some, this is from memory. For the most part, though, you won't have to worry about crossovers from #140-345 or so and after that there are several, all of which range from mediocre to terrible.
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Post by scottharris on Jun 13, 2009 17:03:58 GMT -5
Oh yeah, there's also a pseudo-crossover with Fantastic Four around Avengers #233. You don't need to read the FF stuff for the Avengers parts to make sense, but if you want to know the whole story the rest is in FF.
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Post by Tana Nile on Jun 13, 2009 22:48:05 GMT -5
There are some earlier crossovers in Annuals as well; Annual #7 is a crossover with Marvel Team Up Annual #2 (if I am remembering correctly) and is a follow-up to the Thanos story you mentioned. Scott, I think you mean Marvel Two In One Annual #2. I would second that motion - those two annuals are an excellent read.
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Post by scottharris on Jun 14, 2009 0:44:31 GMT -5
There are some earlier crossovers in Annuals as well; Annual #7 is a crossover with Marvel Team Up Annual #2 (if I am remembering correctly) and is a follow-up to the Thanos story you mentioned. Scott, I think you mean Marvel Two In One Annual #2. I would second that motion - those two annuals are an excellent read. Yes, this is correct. I had written MTIO at first, but then I remembered Spidey was in it and got confused. I also remembered there is one actual crossover coming up shortly for you. Around Avengers #155, the story crosses over into Super Villain Team Up #9 (if I am remembering correctly). I'm guessing that might not have been reprinted over there.
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Post by sharkar on Jun 17, 2009 14:25:34 GMT -5
Good to see you back on the boards, michidiers!
You know, I've been asking around about the short cut edition and so far, no one seems to really know anything about it.
A couple of people have told me that the paper size that's used in Germany for newspapers and periodicals is roughly two-thirds the American size. Was your Avengers #20 comic published in Germany (can you check the indicia, which should be either on the inside cover or the first page)? Another person thought that maybe the comic was at one point "assembled with other comics into a bound edition."
The mystery deepens...
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Post by michidiers on Jun 21, 2009 15:06:50 GMT -5
Thank you all for the replys. They will help me to get a better general view about the history of my favorit heroteam. I think, I will stay only with the original Avenger Vol I and I won´t buy issues of the FF, Iron Man, or another serials only to get the full avengers history. It is too difficult to get these special issues here in Germany (it´s difficult enught to get the full Avengers Vol 1 yet).
A last question: Where do I get in the US Web a list or an index to become a view, before oder after which number from the normal serial the Avenger Annuals are exactly inbedded ?
@shakar: I sent you a PN. The incica (in German: Impressum, Imprint) says, that it is an original US - print of the year 1965. The indica is nearly the same as the indica of my own issue Avengers No. 21 Vol I.
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Post by sharkar on Jul 6, 2009 18:57:03 GMT -5
A last question: Where do I get in the US Web a list or an index to become a view, before oder after which number from the normal serial the Avenger Annuals are exactly inbedded ? Michi, You know, there must be online resources that list the Annuals in release/publication order... but unfortunately, I'm not aware of any! (Maybe someone else knows of such a site?) Bob Froczak has a list of chronological Avengers appearances (in continuity order, which is sometimes not the same as release/publication order)...but you'd have to sift through the list to determine where the Annuals fit in. And his list does not include Annuals that contain reprint material. Still, it's a very good resource (and right here on the Avengers Assemble site). Here is the link: www.whiterocketbooks.com/avengers/avchron.htmlIf you are looking for publication/release order, I can try to help with the first few years. I'll post the regular issue and also the Annual that was published at around the same time as the regular issue (sometimes the stories in the two issues were related...but not always): 1967 Avengers Annual #1 published around the same time as #44. (Note: the yearly super-sized issues were usually titled "King Size Special" or "King Size Annual." For this post I'll refer to them just as "Annuals.") Anyway, the events in #44 take place before the events in Annual #1. 1968Avengers Annual #2 published around the same time as #56. 56's story leads into the story in Annual #2. 1969Avengers Annual #3 was published around the same time as #68. Annual #3 contains reprint material, so there's no direct connection to the events in #68. 1970Then it changed a bit. The Annual was no longer synched up with the September regular issue. Avengers Annual #4 (cover date January 1971) was published around the same time as #81 (cover date October 1970). Annual #4 contains reprint material, so there's no direct connection to the events in #81. 1971 Avengers Annual #5 (cover date January 1972) was published around the same time as #93 (cover date November 1971). Annual #5 contains reprint material, so there's no direct connection to the events in #93. 1972-1975no yearly Annuals... However, during 1974-75 Marvel published several quarterly Giant-Size Avengers issues, most of which contained stories that were directly connected to the ongoing events in the regular Avengers comic. Giant-Size Avengers #1 published around the same time as #126 (both cover-dated August 1974). The events in #126 take place before the events in GSA #1. Giant-Size Avengers #2 published around the same time as #129 (both cover-dated November 1974). The events in #129 take place before, and lead into, the events in GSA #2. Giant-Size Avengers #3 published around the same time as #132 (both cover-dated February 1975). The events in #132 take place before, and lead into, the events in GSA #3. Giant-Size Avengers #4 published just after #135 and perhaps closer to #136 (which contained reprint material). The events in #135 take place before, and lead into, the events in GSA #4. Giant-Size Avengers #5 was probably published around the same time as #138, assuming the quarterly GSA schedule was being maintained (can anyone here confirm this?). GSA #5 was supposed to contain original material but due to various problems with shifting personnel and deadlines, it ended up containing reprint material, from Avengers Annual #1, and as you can see, its cover is that of 1967's Avengers Annual #1! 1976Then the super-sized issues reverted to the yearly Annual format. Avengers Annual #6 published around the same time as #153. The events in #153 take place before, and lead into, the events in the Annual. Well, that's all I have in my collection. I hope this helps as a guide, at least for the first few years.
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Post by michidiers on Jul 8, 2009 13:07:09 GMT -5
Oh, great sharkar! That fine list will help me to orientate myself in the continuity of my Avenger issues. Thank you very much!!!!
Like I wrote in one of the last posts, I´m trying to read the full US-Avenger Vol.I. until no 402. From Avenger no 1 - 100 I´ve readed the german issues in German language, and from 101 until 140 the US-Essentials no. 5 and 6 yet. From no 140 - 150 I´ve got here in my home in Germany all us-single issues continuately. My schedule is to read every month one issue, like the original release in the 70th. (only 30 years time-delayted!)
At the moment Ì´m reading the numer 142! I´ll post some words in a few days about the subjekt matter.
My next issues I´ve got here at home are the numbers 152, 156, 157, 158, 160, 163,167-171, 173-182, 185 - and so on! And I try to get the missing numbers here in Germany on EBay. In the moment I´ll bid on the issue no 153!
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Post by michidiers on Jul 24, 2009 8:51:40 GMT -5
Avengers No. 142 and 143
The Gods Thor and Moondragon are on a extensive search for Hawkeye through time and find him in Tombstone at the end of the 19th century. And they not only meet Hawkeye, but also Kang and a couple of gunslingers from the 50th old-fashioned Marvel-Westerncomics: Two - Gun - Kid, Kid Colt, Rawhide Kid and Night Rider!
A very humorously story with a lot of funny dialogs. For example: Kid Cold and Moondragon are in one panel together horse-riding on the same horse. Kid Cold looks back and high to the one feet taller Moondragon and says to her in a western-slang: " Lissen Madam, ah ain´t ridin´with a bald-headed female up behind!" ;D - lol-
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Post by sharkar on Jul 28, 2009 20:07:54 GMT -5
Avengers No. 142 and 143 The Gods Thor and Moondragon are on a extensive search for Hawkeye through time and find him in Tombstone at the end of the 19th century. And they not only meet Hawkeye, but also Kang and a couple of gunslingers from the 50th old-fashioned Marvel-Westerncomics: Two - Gun - Kid, Kid Colt, Rawhide Kid and Night Rider! A very humorously story with a lot of funny dialogs. For example: Kid Cold and Moondragon are in one panel together horse-riding on the same horse. Kid Cold looks back and high to the one feet taller Moondragon and says to her in a western-slang: " Lissen Madam, ah ain´t ridin´with a bald-headed female up behind!" ;D - lol- Yes, the Old West sequences with Moondragon, Thor,. Hawkeye and Two-Gun were very entertaining! ;D How did your bid for #153 turn out, Michidiers?
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Post by michidiers on Aug 2, 2009 13:14:45 GMT -5
Avengers No. 142 and 143 The Gods Thor and Moondragon are on a extensive search for Hawkeye through time and find him in Tombstone at the end of the 19th century. And they not only meet Hawkeye, but also Kang and a couple of gunslingers from the 50th old-fashioned Marvel-Westerncomics: Two - Gun - Kid, Kid Colt, Rawhide Kid and Night Rider! A very humorously story with a lot of funny dialogs. For example: Kid Cold and Moondragon are in one panel together horse-riding on the same horse. Kid Cold looks back and high to the one feet taller Moondragon and says to her in a western-slang: " Lissen Madam, ah ain´t ridin´with a bald-headed female up behind!" ;D - lol- Yes, the Old West sequences with Moondragon, Thor,. Hawkeye and Two-Gun were very entertaining! ;D How did your bid for #153 turn out, Michidiers? Bad! Coming back from a trip to Normandie/France on friday, I must watch at MyEbay, that someont had outbid me But now I have ordered the issue no 153 at "mycomicshop.com" direct in the USA.
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Post by michidiers on Aug 10, 2009 12:47:43 GMT -5
US AVENGERS VOL. I No 145 + 146 An Avenger adventure out of the normal continuity. Apparently forced the „dreadly deadline“ the Marvel editorial desk to stop the normal story in the middle of an aventure of the Avengers. Instead of the continiation of the fight against the Squadron Supreme, Marvel published a new story out of the Avenger-coninuity. It looks like, the illustrator (George Perez ) or the writer (Steve Englehart) can´t cope their work in time. But these two issues does´t disappointed me. A very well narratec story with intelligent chapters. Very exciting andentirely different from the common storys. And it´s well (despite Don Heck) drawn. If somebody would like to read a fine old (unknown) avenger-stroy should snatch these two issues!
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Post by sharkar on Aug 10, 2009 19:56:41 GMT -5
US AVENGERS VOL. I No 145 + 146 An Avenger adventure out of the normal continuity. Apparently forced the „dreadly deadline“ the Marvel editorial desk to stop the normal story in the middle of an aventure of the Avengers. Instead of the continiation of the fight against the Squadron Supreme, Marvel published a new story out of the Avenger-coninuity. It looks like, the illustrator (George Perez ) or the writer (Steve Englehart) can´t cope their work in time. But these two issues does´t disappointed me. A very well narratec story with intelligent chapters. Very exciting andentirely different from the common storys. And it´s well (despite Don Heck) drawn. If somebody would like to read a fine old (unknown) avenger-stroy should snatch these two issues! The story that appeared here in these two issues, #145-6, was supposed to have published earlier in Giant-Size Avengers #5. But as you noted, michidiers, there seems to have been a lot of deadline-missing during this entire period (for various reasons); and the Assassin story never made it into GSA #5. Instead, GSA #5 featured a reprint of the lead story in Avengers Special #1 (1967), which was illustrated by Don Heck! So it seems GSA #5 was going to include Heck artwork one way or another ;D! (By the way, while I know his quality varied at times, I am a big fan of Heck's art--especially his 1960s Avengers and Iron Man work, and his 1970s DC work). Anyway, when deadline problems struck yet again, the Assassin story was available to be used for #145-146. And since you're reading the Avengers in order, you'll see another deadline "issue" very shortly...
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Post by michidiers on Aug 12, 2009 10:56:45 GMT -5
US AVENGERS VOL. I No 145 + 146 An Avenger adventure out of the normal continuity. Apparently forced the „dreadly deadline“ the Marvel editorial desk to stop the normal story in the middle of an aventure of the Avengers. Instead of the continiation of the fight against the Squadron Supreme, Marvel published a new story out of the Avenger-coninuity. It looks like, the illustrator (George Perez ) or the writer (Steve Englehart) can´t cope their work in time. But these two issues does´t disappointed me. A very well narratec story with intelligent chapters. Very exciting andentirely different from the common storys. And it´s well (despite Don Heck) drawn. If somebody would like to read a fine old (unknown) avenger-stroy should snatch these two issues! And since you're reading the Avengers in order, you'll see another deadline "issue" very shortly... Oh, yes that´s right. I´ve read the issue no 136 one year ago in the Avenger Essential 6. And this Avenger No 136 weren´t a really avengercomic. It is the first appearence of the hairy Beast, and only a reprint of amazing adventures no 12 (I suppose). But this issue 136 introduced the Beast pretty well, because in 137 the Beast became to be an anvenger teammate.
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Post by sharkar on Aug 12, 2009 17:57:50 GMT -5
Oh, yes that´s right. I´ve read the issue no 136 one year ago in the Avenger Essential 6. And this Avenger No 136 weren´t a really avengercomic. It is the first appearence of the hairy Beast, and only a reprint of amazing adventures no 12 (I suppose). But this issue 136 introduced the Beast pretty well, because in 137 the Beast became to be an anvenger teammate. Right, #136 contained a reprint (probably because someone did not meet a deadline... though as you mentioned the reprint served a purpose in that it provided Avengers readers with the Beast's background). But I was actually referring to a different Avengers issue, one that appears after #146-7. I don't want to spoil the surprise ,but if you are reading these Avengers issues in numerical order, you'll soon encounter the issue I'm referring to.
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Post by michidiers on Aug 13, 2009 13:39:45 GMT -5
Oh, I will see it and I hope it isn´t no 151. I haven´t that issue...
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