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Post by goldenfist on Oct 17, 2008 15:50:07 GMT -5
Read this review of Mighty Avengers #19 from Ign.com
Throughout the ups and downs of Secret Invasion, the Avengers books have been a bright, shining beacon of how to do tie-in material right. At their best, they've been integral, enjoyable pieces of the SI tapestry, and at their worst they at least provide a bit of geeky insight into the inner workings of the Skrull forces and illuminate the finer points of their infiltration. By my count, the least redeeming issue has been the Sentry spotlight in Mighty Avengers #14. That is, until issue #19 was released.
Captain Marvel has had the most twisty-turny trek through Secret Invasion, hands down. Outed as a Skrull during "Infiltration," he flew to Thunderbolts Mountain in the SI main series, stood around and grimaced in Thunderbolts before flying off again, and then cameoed back in the main event series and the Who Do You Trust one-shot.
It's important to mention the chronology because Mighty Avengers #19 ostensibly finishes off his inane story arc, and I'm failing to see where the story was. This issue features him fighting the Skrull armada and disabling some ships, which is what every hero who's enjoyed a SI tie-in has done for multiple issues in a row. I'm not exactly sure why Captain Skrull-Vell has gotten so much attention in this event, and I'm in no way persuaded to care one way or the other about him upon his swan song.
The other half belongs to Marvel Boy, a character who's appeared sporadically in SI-related paraphernalia but never really mattered. This issue actively contradicts what's happened in the Who Do You Trust one-shot, and overlaps completely with a scene from the main Secret Invasion series. If you're looking for redemption for the issue in Marvel Boy being folded into the main saga, it's not there. He just kind of stands there and emotes for 22 pages.
Khoi Pham turns up on art duties for the title again, and while it's technically competent work, it's nowhere near the level of his Incredible Hercules. Just as before, characters' faces in particular take a beating. Turn to the very first page for evidence of that. Even with material like exploding starships and Super Skrulls with deliciously obscure powersets, Pham just seems like he's phoning it in.
Some of the Secret Invasion tie-in issues have been minimally significant, but at least mildly interesting. Mighty Avengers #19 not only wastes its pages with continuity errors and rehashed material, it also fails to do anything compelling with either of the characters in its power. The pictures aren't even nice to look at. Skippable, in every sense of the word.
Review Score: 4.1 Poor
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Post by spiderwasp on Oct 18, 2008 15:56:02 GMT -5
Read this review of Mighty Avengers #19 from Ign.com Throughout the ups and downs of Secret Invasion, the Avengers books have been a bright, shining beacon of how to do tie-in material right. Yeah, if your idea of the right way to do tie-in material means that you should completely ignore the main characters of the book for months and just print whatever you feel like in the title, then Mighty Avengers is certainly a shining beacon. However, I agree with everything else in this review. This issue was even worse than the Nick Fury ones. I not only want my $3.00 back but also the 3 minutes I spent reading it. I am literally giving Marvel one last chance. I was ready to call it quits when I learned that Bendis was leaving MA and Slott was taking over. I've already abandoned Spider-man. If Slott can't save this title , I'm just going to stop buying Marvel completely.
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Post by starfoxxx on Oct 18, 2008 18:05:28 GMT -5
yeah, im with spiderwasp, I hope Slott can do a REAL Avengers book, cuz New and Mighty have been total wastes of my hard-earned dough. Knowing this turd is waiting for me in my bin is hardly a "shining beacon", IMHO.
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Post by Tana Nile on Oct 18, 2008 19:05:59 GMT -5
Ever since neither book has actually focused on a team that calls itself the Avengers, I have not been reading them. I will try MA once Slott comes on the title. I hope the era of Bendis being able to enforce his wet dreams on all of Marvel will come to an end sometime soon. Maybe once he starts writing for Hollywood (god help us all).
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Post by starfoxxx on Oct 18, 2008 19:09:24 GMT -5
I hope the era of Bendis being able to enforce his wet dreams on all of Marvel will come to an end sometime soon. . Exalt, Tana Nile!
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Post by Doctor Doom on Oct 19, 2008 8:42:48 GMT -5
And I could not disagree more with both of you. It's been made clear for some time that for these eight months, the "Avengers" book is, for all intents and purposes Secret Invasion proper, and these two have been shedding light on the details of what is, in essence, an Avengers story. I'd go further and say quite a few of the stories explored here have been deeply Avengers-related- the Sentry one, the replacement of Spider-Woman, the replacement of Pym, the fake Cap etc- all dealing with Avengers aspects of the overall story. Yes, you do get issues- like this issue, like the Fury ones- which don't really concern Avengers past or present, but they tie directly into explaining the bigger picture, which is an Avengers story.
Again, I feel it's an interesting way to do things, and it's been evident that this was what they were doing since day one. If you only buy Avengers books, you only needed to buy the main "SI" for these eight months, and I don't see how Marvel could have made that any clearer.
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Post by starfoxxx on Oct 19, 2008 15:31:25 GMT -5
Again, I feel it's an interesting way to do things, and it's been evident that this was what they were doing since day one. If you only buy Avengers books, you only needed to buy the main "SI" for these eight months, and I don't see how Marvel could have made that any clearer. Yeah, I've stuck with just New and Mighty Avengers, the main Secret Invasion series, (and Av:Initiative, too), but at $3 for the 2 Avengers books and $4 for SI (total $10 a month) Secret Invasion has been a real letdown for me, and when all is said and done, will I get my $80s worth? At this point, I'm wishing I had saved my $80. It's just not that "interesting", IMHO. Especially when I think of all the great Avengers stories I have enjoyed for waaaaay less money.
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Post by spiderwasp on Oct 19, 2008 16:05:47 GMT -5
It's just not that "interesting", IMHO. Especially when I think of all the great Avengers stories I have enjoyed for waaaaay less money. I actually can't think of an Avengers story I've enjoyed less. At this point, even the Crossing is starting to look good. At least something happened and it moved on. This thing just keeps dragging and dragging and I'm not even reading all the tie-ins. I respect that some people are enjoying and fully understand that everyone has their own tastes, but for me, I can't find anything to enjoy at all. I know I complained about the early issues of New Avengers and about Disassembled but I still found enough to enjoy to keep giving it a try. I finally gave up on New Avengers, but kept buying Mighty because, flawed though it was, I was still getting enough enjoyment out of it to explain why I was spending the money. For the last several months, however, there has not been one thing that I've enjoyed. In actuality, over the past year, I probably have only enjoyed about 10% of anything I've bought from Marvel. If I kept going to a restaurant and and only enjoyed 10% if what they put on my plate, I sure wouldn't keep eating there. The problem is that I've enjoyed comics for so long that I want them to be good and I want to enjoy them so it's difficult to give up. Doom, I'm glad your having a good time but I'll be damned if I can understand why.
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Post by freedomfighter on Oct 19, 2008 18:08:53 GMT -5
And I could not disagree more with both of you. It's been made clear for some time that for these eight months, the "Avengers" book is, for all intents and purposes Secret Invasion proper, and these two have been shedding light on the details of what is, in essence, an Avengers story. I'd go further and say quite a few of the stories explored here have been deeply Avengers-related- the Sentry one, the replacement of Spider-Woman, the replacement of Pym, the fake Cap etc- all dealing with Avengers aspects of the overall story. Yes, you do get issues- like this issue, like the Fury ones- which don't really concern Avengers past or present, but they tie directly into explaining the bigger picture, which is an Avengers story. Again, I feel it's an interesting way to do things, and it's been evident that this was what they were doing since day one. If you only buy Avengers books, you only needed to buy the main "SI" for these eight months, and I don't see how Marvel could have made that any clearer. I'm a big fan of smaller stories that reveal much. I just don't think these stories are really doing it. Also as per my tastes, I feel when the storytellers have this huge tapestry and then focus on small points it really works. However, SI has been just as much, if not more about the small points. Personal stories, individual character motives, that's just as much the content of this entire story. Thus since I don't feel the scope of SI as a big story, the more intimate stories don't illuminate anything for me. As a result, even though I'm a big fan of seeing the smaller points of a big story, this several issue run ain't doing it for me.
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Post by starfoxxx on Oct 20, 2008 15:17:25 GMT -5
This thing just keeps dragging and dragging and I'm not even reading all the tie-ins. I respect that some people are enjoying and fully understand that everyone has their own tastes, Doom, I'm glad your having a good time but I'll be damned if I can understand why. I'm in agreement with spiderwasp here. Bendis' ideas always sound great, but they just never live up to the hype, IMO, and they DO drag on and on....... In fairness, very few of these big crossover events live up to the hype, as we've discussed in the "big crossover" posts. I was even pretty bummed to hear that Wolverine and FF (two books I'm really enjoying right now) will somehow cross-over with 1985. Boy, I hope Millar can pull this off. I wonder if anyone here is enjoying FINAL CRISIS or not. DC seems to be exploiting their fans with cross-over mania, too, and title after title after title, really gouging any completists (if they still exist- they gotta be rich). I'm not a big DC guy, but I am buying Legion of 3 Worlds, just for Perez' art. Is Final Crisis any good?
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Post by Tana Nile on Oct 20, 2008 22:05:59 GMT -5
It's been made clear for some time that for these eight months, the "Avengers" book is, for all intents and purposes Secret Invasion proper... I understand that this story has been mostly told via the Avengers titles, but that is also part of my problem with it. I don't think it is unrealistic or asking too much that the title characters of a book actually appear in the book. To be honest, I feel like much of what has appeared in Avengers could have been in some ancillary title, or even the main Secret Invasion title itself. But even then, I don't find this story compelling, so I'd be unlikely to read those titles either.
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Post by starfoxxx on Oct 26, 2008 18:08:38 GMT -5
I think this is really Mighty #19 review, right?
Anyhoo, I just read #19 and all I can comment is:
WTF?
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Post by goldenfist on Oct 28, 2008 14:24:30 GMT -5
I had to fix the title of the review.
And yes it is Mighty Avengers #19 being reviewed.
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