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Post by woodside on Mar 26, 2008 8:04:02 GMT -5
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Post by Shiryu on Mar 26, 2008 16:59:26 GMT -5
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Post by starfoxxx on Mar 26, 2008 17:13:13 GMT -5
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Post by goldenfist on Mar 27, 2008 20:04:49 GMT -5
The book is coming out next week I can't wait to get my copy.
Here's a link to see a webisode of Secret Invasion.
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Post by freedomfighter on Apr 2, 2008 16:17:34 GMT -5
Has anyone else read it?
I found it quite confusing...
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Post by goldenfist on Apr 2, 2008 21:21:06 GMT -5
I just got it today but I'll post the review tomorrow in the New
Avengers Forum.
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Post by starfoxxx on Apr 3, 2008 8:50:38 GMT -5
This did NOT live up to my expectations. And after seeing the whole issue, YU's art still stinks. He's just not the guy to draw lots of characters, and all the lines on his faces make the characters look old or sick. When he draws a group from a distance, everyone is unrecognizable, or just look like scribbles. Lazy.
The story was more boring than confusing for me. I hope this gets better.
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Post by defdave on Apr 3, 2008 9:42:07 GMT -5
I thought it was cool that Dum Dum was a Skrull.
And it would be cool if Mar-Vell has been a Skrull all along since his Return. I know Van will disagree, but I just think he works better as a dead icon from the past with a legacy than as an active hero.
I didn't actually read it as if Jarvis was a Skrull. I thought maybe a post-hypnotic command was triggered. If he is a Skrull, I'll think that's cool as long as they don't mess Jarvis up too bad. Hopefully he's still alive and healthy somewhere.
And PYM?! Wow.... very interesting. I wonder for how long.
I quit reading New Avengers a long time ago so I'm not very clear on the nature of Hawkeye's return. My understanding is that it has been left vague and he just kind of
wandered in after House of M. Seems to me that vagueness could translate into Skrulliness.
Is Spider-Woman a Skrull? Her phone call brought both teams together. And you could read it as Skrull-Jarvis was right there with her as an accomplice.
And the big question might be: is Stark a Skrull? I actually hope that he's not.
I also finally read Illuminati #5 yesterday before I opened Secret Invasion. Not only is Black
Bolt revealed as a Skrull, but two others show up. And those two have the markings of Thor and Colossus. I thought that was an equally interesting reveal. They are both characters that have recently returned from the dead, or so we thought. But I just can't imagine that JMS hasn't been writing the real Thor in the new series.
I'm very interested in this story. But I still can't fathom that it will be strong enough to redeem Disassembled and New Avengers. But I will dig out those issues and look for Skrull
clues.
I did not like Disassembled for reasons that were discussed at length at the time. I didn't
care for House of M all that much. But Civil War was very good and World War Hulk rocked.
Secret Invasion looks to be the grand slam. AND it's going to tie in Annihilation and Secret
War!
You step back and look at all that (throw in Cap's Death and Planet Hulk) and you have to
give Marvel credit, that's some pretty strong story direction over the course of several years. (and if I have it my way, 1602 will figure into as well!)
And, of course, that means giving Bendis his share of the credit. Kudos to him. I have always said that Bendis has great ideas and I'm sure he gives the best pitches ever. It's often his execution of those ideas that leaves me frustrated and disappointed.
Speaking of 1602, I hear Nick Fury is returning with a new batch of Howling Commandos.
I'm disheartened to hear that. Fury and Rohjaz were supposed to return together. Dang it.
I just think it would be Slap-Your-Mama Awesome if 1602 brought Nick and Cap back.
--DW
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Post by Shiryu on Apr 3, 2008 10:48:51 GMT -5
I overall liked it. Some bits were not too clear, like the guys who walked out from the starship, but it was to be expected considering it's issue 1.
The art was much better than in NA and I especially like Spidey, Luke and some shots of Logan. The female characters still could look better though.
As for the revelations, Jarvis is by far the most intriguing one, but he didn't show green eyes like Dum Dum or others, so I too wonder if he truly is a Skrull or under some sort of control. Hank Pym being a Skrull was a big one, I wonder how long this has been going on since he has been in Initiative and M.A. a few times and always appeared to be himself, even when alone or facing real Pym problems (like Ultron).
I'll move it here, it would be better to keep all the S.I. reviews here other than those fitting in their own sections of the forum (like NA or MA).
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 3, 2008 11:05:48 GMT -5
Best Bendis comic I've read since "Breakout". Seriously- d**n good work, about fifty cliffhangers, and literally encompasisng the entire Marvel Universe sans X-Men. I'm most intrigued to see what happens with Hank, though- JAAARRRVIIIISSS!!
Also, anyone note the Wasp's mysterious absence from the Mighty Avengers this issue?
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Post by dlw66 on Apr 3, 2008 12:23:10 GMT -5
Those of you who have been around here for awhile know that I've chosen to abandon Marvel's current treatment of the Avengers -- that being said, I'm really out of the crossover loop as well.
But, and just going on what Dave posted above, it seems to me this is a huge project to make it easy to undo anything that past editorial has published, and remake Marvel from scratch. It smacks, to use a recent example, of making a deal with the devil. It also smacks an awful lot of that episode of Dallas way back in the late '70's/early '80's when an entire season turned out to be a dream sequence.
It also seems to spit in the face of the fans of Silver and Bronze Age Marvel comics. I suppose in 1985-86 the longtime DC fans felt the same way.
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Post by woodside on Apr 3, 2008 13:47:59 GMT -5
This was a fantastic issue.
Dum-Dum Dugan being a Skrull. Saw that one coming and really, anyone who reads outside the Avengers family titles, would probably pick up on it. He was killed in "Wolverine: Origins." If they stick with this, then he was probably replaced something during the second half of "Civil War," which is about when that story took place.
Jarvis didn't shock me. Pym certainly did. Huh. Second time this guy was replaced by Skrulls.
The 70s heroes showing up reminded me a lot of when the X-Men went to the Skrull moon and found that training camp with all those Skrulls disguised as super-heroes.
The Skrulls seem to have really worked themselves in. Bendis did a great job of building the tension, but not making us wait 5 issues without pay-off. He did a great job of laying down a strong foundation for this story.
The echoes of "Break-Out" with the Raft and the Cube shutting down (Doom and Marvel Boy are both loose); the ship landing in the Savage Land; and Iron Man now trying to arrest the New Avengers (something that has been up in the air for the longest time and now he suspects them of being Skrulls, soldifying his resolve).
Plus, giving the story a broader feel with the attack on the Thunderbolts and the Fantastic Four.
Yu's art is so much better. I don't know what happened and I don't care. He's good again!
Great work. Can't wait to see the next issue!
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Post by woodside on Apr 3, 2008 16:27:51 GMT -5
Those of you who have been around here for awhile know that I've chosen to abandon Marvel's current treatment of the Avengers -- that being said, I'm really out of the crossover loop as well. But, and just going on what Dave posted above, it seems to me this is a huge project to make it easy to undo anything that past editorial has published, and remake Marvel from scratch. It smacks, to use a recent example, of making a deal with the devil. It also smacks an awful lot of that episode of Dallas way back in the late '70's/early '80's when an entire season turned out to be a dream sequence. It also seems to spit in the face of the fans of Silver and Bronze Age Marvel comics. I suppose in 1985-86 the longtime DC fans felt the same way. I think it's waaaaay too early to tell, Doug. While this is a possibility, I personally don't think it'll happen. Will we see the Skrulls retro-fitted into portions of Marvel's history? Yes. But will we see the undoing of major events? Probably not. Remember - the only reason Spider-Man recieved such a huge change-over was because of the want/need (using that loosely) of getting rid of the marriage. There's no need for Marvel to undo their history or editorial decisions. Although I'm sure you'd disagree with the quality of recent events, there has been a generally warm reception to the majority of Marvel's products. Discounting nitpicking and the usual bitching, of course. Not to mention the mainstream attention Marvel's been recieving because of Civil War and Captain America. And to reinteriate the point that this is probably not going to be Marvel's "Crisis," then I believe I should point out that it could be very much argued that there was a need to streamline DC's continunity back in the 80s. Marvel has not really had that problem. "Secret Invasion" is yet another chapter in the recent overall story of the Marvel Universe. Disassembled led to New Avengers led to House of M led to Decimation led to Endangered Species led to Messiah CompleX led to Divided We Stand. Disassmebled led to Captain America's current arc. Secret War led to New Avengers. Planet Hulk led to World War Hulk led to Aftersmash. Civil War led to the Intiative. And so on and so on. Which is what I'm really loving about the current Marvel Universe. |
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Post by goldenfist on Apr 3, 2008 21:18:38 GMT -5
Okay next time I'll post the review and the previews of Secret
Invasion #2 in this forum.
Reed finds out how the Skrulls are dectable but then all of a sudd
en the Hank Skrull shoot's some sort of laser that makes Reed
look like a mess of rejected Jell-o.
Why Wasp was not in the issue remains to be seen, It was also
cool to see Cloak in the issue for a bit.
I know not everyone will like this story because of "cough Bendis"
but he's writing and like it or not he is staying at Marvel for a very
long time.
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Post by Shiryu on Apr 4, 2008 5:00:37 GMT -5
I hadn't noticed Wasp's absence until you guys mentioned it ;D
While the Skrull invasion could be used to fix nearly everything, I don't personally think it will be the case. Probably one or two things, perhaps Captain Marvel's return, but not the most important ones. For example, I don't expect Tony to be a Skrull... in fact, he and Peter are the only 2 I feel sure about.
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Post by saldawyz on Apr 4, 2008 9:59:33 GMT -5
I'm not sure. I think that perhaps Captain Marvel is the real deal and his cosmic awareness ( does he possess it right now? ) is the key. Could be why he showed up at the T-bolts' house. Perhaps, he is gathering his own, "trustworthy" anti-Skrull task force in place. Speaking of the -Vell clan, where is Genis? His cosmic awareness could be handy, too. Or would the Skrull army already have taken care of certain Kree-based threats? Too bad the Quasar mantle had to change hands. The old Quasar could've resolved this issue in a few days.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 4, 2008 15:27:01 GMT -5
Dum-Dum Dugan being a Skrull. Saw that one coming and really, anyone who reads outside the Avengers family titles, would probably pick up on it. He was killed in "Wolverine: Origins." If they stick with this, then he was probably replaced something during the second half of "Civil War," which is about when that story took place. Actually, he legitimately came back from his death in Wolvie: Origins. Also, I did not pick up on it, mainly because I read Iron Man and he's a MAJOR player over it who's seemed very much in-character, but sadly that was a Skrull. As for when- I can tell you exactly when he died- the night Captain America died. How did they get him? With a Skrull disguised as the Contessa. How do I know? Thanks to the free Secret Invasion prologue released online like 2 weeks ago. www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.2968.Secret_Invasion_PreviewEnjoy! I'm not sure which of them hurts me more- I love them both. Sadly, the same cannot be said for Bendis, who expressed his Hank-hate again in a CBR interview. Mmmmmm. I really don't think Bendis likes the Fantastic Four. He doesn't write a very good Reed in "Illuminati", he rarely tocuhes them in any context and this is the second company-wide crossover he's written them almost completely out of by the end of the first issue. I'm sure they'll be back, but... yeah. Don't mean to dwell on the negatives, but the VAST number of positives speak for themselves. The whole "He Loves you" shtick- VERY creepy. Moment of the issue for me is either the Baxter Building going the way of Annihilus or Hank SHOOTING REED IN THE FACE. THe inker's done wonders with Yu's work- as I've said, usually rubbish, here serviceable. The two highlights being stretchy-icky-Reed splattered across the room... and the aforementioned Baxter Building sequence. |
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Post by goldenfist on Apr 4, 2008 17:02:17 GMT -5
Well Saldawyz Genis-Vell is dead cause his powers were going to destroy the universe since he didn't know how to control them and Baron Zemo has put the parts of his body somewhere in other dimentio ns. And here's DC's answer to Secret Invasion  And I know everyone is waiting for the original Guardians of the Galaxy to show up so here's a picture of them.  |
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Post by saldawyz on Apr 4, 2008 20:08:55 GMT -5
George Perez is still the man!
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Post by starfoxxx on Apr 5, 2008 12:56:14 GMT -5
George Perez is still the man! Yeah i'll pick up Final Crisis just because of Perez. |
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 6, 2008 7:57:58 GMT -5
George Perez is still the man! Yeah i'll pick up Final Crisis just because of Perez. You'll be in for a shock if you do- he's not drawing it. The ever-exclelent JG Jones is illustrating that. Pérez is drawing the tie-in miniseries "Legion of Three Worlds". |
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Post by sph683 on Apr 6, 2008 19:50:33 GMT -5
I'm really not that exited about Final Crisis. I like Jones' art, but Morrison's writing is hit or miss at best, IMO. I hope this really is the last Crisis story, and DC starts doing more "conventional" event stories. I wish they would have thrown more marketing behind Sinestro Corps, and made that their next big event, instead of just a Green Lantern story.
Secret Invasion on the other hand, I can't wait to read. This has caused me to break my self-imposed Marvel boycott since Cap's death. My opinion on Bendis has turned around lately. I'm really beginning to enjoy his work. (Dodges tomatoes ;D) And, I don't know what the hell happened to Yu, but his art has looked fantastic in the previews that I've seen.
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Post by goldenfist on Apr 7, 2008 13:36:00 GMT -5
So am I sph63, I enjoyed reading the 1st issue and I can't wait
to read what happens in issue 2.
Here's what newsarama say's about the price of Secret Invasion
and it's tie ins pirces.
It’s that time of year again. Spring and summer bring conventions, big-budget films, and crossovers. Periodically, Newsarama likes to take a close look at the consumer cost associated with following all of the official tie-ins for a larger storyline. The issue of cost will no doubt be on the minds of readers this summer; rumors suggest that gasoline will regularly top $4.00 a gallon, and other staple items (milk, bread, etc.) will likely rise in price as a result.
As such, readers will no doubt pay close attention to the cost associated with big storylines. At the very least, some readers will want to try to figure out what the bare minimum purchases might be in order to properly enjoy a wide-ranging story. These examinations imply no editorial judgment; they are merely a look at the totals as a service to the readership.
Our first story under the abacus this season is Secret Invasion. Presently, we have a comprehensive checklist of the story that runs through July. That will cover issues #1-4 of the 8-issue series, as well as all ancillary titles and spin-off minis from the official list to that point. It’s been suggested here and there that the “necessary” components will be the prime Secret Invasion mini, paired with the two Bendis-written Avengers books. Whether you buy all of the tie-ins is up to you and your individual proclivities, and as always, comes with the message from the publisher that you don't need all the tie-in issues to enjoy the story. If you only purchased Secret Invasion and the two Avengers books, your cost would be $9.97 a month, or $39.88 through July (before tax).
If you want to take a swing at the whole thing, look below. Subtotals and Totals are all before tax.
Before it all - Bonus! - The Secret Invasion Saga, one of the better "Saga" entries from Marvel was free!
April
Secret Invasion #1 $3.99
Mighty Avengers #12 $2.99
New Avengers #40 $2.99
April Subtotal: $9.97
May
Secret Invasion #2 $3.99
Captain Britain and MI:13 #1 $2.99
Incredible Hercules #117 $2.99
Mighty Avengers #13 $2.99
New Avengers #41 $2.99
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #1 $2.99
May Subtotal: $18.94
June
Secret Invasion #3 $3.99
Avengers: The Initiative #14 $2.99
Captain Britain and MI:13 #2 $2.99
Incredible Hercules #118 $2.99
Mighty Avengers #14 $2.99
Ms. Marvel #28 $2.99
New Avengers #42 $2.99
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #2 $2.99
Secret Invasion: Runaways/YA #1 $2.99
Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust? $3.99
June Subtotal: $31.90
July
Secret Invasion #4 $3.99
Avengers: The Initiative #15 $2.99
Black Panther #39 $2.99
Captain Britain and MI:13 #3 $2.99
Incredible Hercules #119 $2.99
Mighty Avengers #15 $2.99
Ms. Marvel #29 $2.99
New Avengers #43 $2.99
New Warriors #14 $2.99
Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four #3 $2.99
Secret Invasion: Runaways/YA #2 $2.99
She-Hulk #31 $2.99
Thunderbolts #122 $2.99
X-Factor #33 $2.99
July Subtotal: $42.86
Subtotal as of July: $103.67 (again, that's the comprehensive story)
So there you have it: the complete cost for the first half of Secret Invasion. Down the road, we’ll calculate the second half, and check in on other events running into the fall. In the coming weeks, we’ll also look at Final Crisis coming from DC, promised as an event that won’t have as many tie-ins as previous events (although at least two miniseries that tie-in have been announced). We’ll see.
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Post by woodside on Apr 7, 2008 16:21:22 GMT -5
I'm really struggling with not buying all the tie-ins. I'm definetly picking up the two Avengers titles.
I'm highly considering She-Hulk/X-Factor (they crossover), Thunderbolts, Fantastic Four, and YA/Runaways. Plus the recently announced X-Men tie-in. And maybe the Initiative.
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Post by goldenfist on Apr 8, 2008 9:04:14 GMT -5
Marvel just annouce that there will be another mini-series called
Secret Invasion Inhumans, Secret Invasion #1 is also getting a Se
cond Printing.
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Post by starfoxxx on Apr 8, 2008 9:35:47 GMT -5
Secret Invasion #1 is also getting a Se cond Printing. I hope the Second printing doesn't postpone SI #2, as this would be a real scheduling mess. It seems that when Marvel does a Second printing it sometimes delays future issues. Thanks for the SI checklist, goldenfist. I'm just gonna stick to my regular Avengers titles and the SI series, since the Civil War tie-ins were really just rehashing the events in the main Civil War series. If I can't figure out the plot from SI alone, then it's way too confusing than it needs to be. I'm also glad there will be a Secret Invasion:Fantastic Four title. I'm not going to buy it, but I'm really enjoying Millar's FF so far, and I'd hate to see SI interrupt the current FF story arc. |
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Post by woodside on Apr 8, 2008 10:42:37 GMT -5
Second printings never interfere with next issue's release, so no worries there, Starfoxxx.
There's also an X-Men tie-in coming out. I will be picking that up.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 8, 2008 13:15:53 GMT -5
I'm buying all three Avengers titles and Thunderbolts because they're on my pull list anyway. I wasn't GOING to buy any more, but if the next few issues of SI are up to the standard of #1, I'm in- definitely buying SI: FF and Ms Marvel at this stage, and probably Frontline, Inhumans and X-Men too.
Gotta say, Ms Marvel's just a generally good quality book which I normally can't squeeze into my pull list due to money restrictions.
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Post by woodside on Apr 8, 2008 15:01:15 GMT -5
I'm buying all three Avengers titles and Thunderbolts because they're on my pull list anyway. I wasn't GOING to buy any more, but if the next few issues of SI are up to the standard of #1, I'm in- definitely buying SI: FF and Ms Marvel at this stage, and probably Frontline, Inhumans and X-Men too. Gotta say, Ms Marvel's just a generally good quality book which I normally can't squeeze into my pull list due to money restrictions. I'm doing: X-Men X-Factor She-Hulk New Avengers Mighty Avengers Thunderbolts Hercules (maybe) Young Avengers/Runaways plus the one-shots Doom, if you pick up Inhumans, Frontline, Ms. Marvel, and any of the others . . . do you want to do a joint read order? |
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 8, 2008 16:29:06 GMT -5
That would seem to work quite well since we're both buying books the other isn't, so game on!
(Incidentally, I've already done a temporary (And fluid) read order for 'The Infiltration' which I can put up here, I'd welcome your input on it!)
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