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Post by thew40 on Mar 9, 2007 22:17:29 GMT -5
Here's the next big event from Marvel. In the aftermath of "Civil War," comes the rippling effect. Captain America's death, Reed and Sue's marriage, Tony Stark as SHIELD Director, and the creation of the 50-State Initiative all seem to be covered in the following checklist: - Civil War: The Initiative
- Black Panther # 26 - 29
- Captain America # 25-27
- Fantastic Four # 544 - 547
- Iron Man # 16 - 18
- Mighty Avengers # 1 - 4
- Ms. Marvel # 13 - 16
- New Avengers # 28 - 31
- Thunderbolts # 112 - 115
- Avengers: The Initiative # 1 - 3
- Fallen Son: # 1 - 5
- Omega Flight # 1 - 3
- Punisher War Journal # 6 - 7
- Nova # 2 - 3
- Sub-Mariner # 1
[/b] [/li][/ul] From what I understand, this will be similiar to "Decimation" was to "House of M." It won't be a direct, contuning storyline per se, but yet a common story element and theme carrying over all these stories. This bridges the gap between Civil War and World War Hulk, if one were to follow just the crossovers. Personally, as much as I love these big events, I just can't afford all these right now. I'll be buying the Avengers books and Fallen Son. Other than that, I'll just pick up the trades/back issues when they come out. ~W~
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Post by Doctor Doom on Mar 10, 2007 6:14:02 GMT -5
Getting all this, though won't be getting WWH.
About half these or more are on my pull list anyway, and I love the story direction so much that I'll pick up the rest.
Honestly, I really amp retty excited- I'm adoring the Thunderbolts post-CW so far, I think New Avengers could be okay, if Mighty Avengers continues it's current standards it will be EXCELLENT, McDuffie is the best FF writer... well, I'd say since Waid but he was fairly recently so that doesn't seem fair. So I'll just say, one of the best in a very long time... For the first time ever I'm actually excitef for Iron Man... Oeming is a fantastic writer, especially with BRB so Omega Flight is sure to rock.... Fallen Son covers the death of my favourite Marvel character... and the only book I anticipate more than Avengers: The Initiative is Captain America!
...So quite a time to be a marvel fan. (Oh yeah, plus I need to buy ASM and FNSM).
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Post by Yellowjacket on Mar 14, 2007 8:49:46 GMT -5
I too will buy my usual books, that are the Avengers books, FF and PWJ plus the CW oneshot. DonĀ“t need to have everything.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Mar 14, 2007 9:15:24 GMT -5
Guys, I can't say this enough. If you aren't already trying it, this would be a good time to give Black Panther a try. It's pretty good.
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Post by thew40 on Mar 14, 2007 9:42:06 GMT -5
I liked the "Civil War" issues of "Black Panther," but overall, I'm just not a fan. That's not to say that I don't think it's a good book or that it's improving with each issue (which it is), but Hudlin . . . well, I'd rather have Priest back.
~W~
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Post by Tana Nile on Mar 14, 2007 11:36:43 GMT -5
Guys, I can't say this enough. If you aren't already trying it, this would be a good time to give Black Panther a try. It's pretty good. You're right Nutcase. I started picking up Black Panther for the Civil War tie in, and wound up getting some of the earlier issues too. I was surprised how much I enjoyed it. When I heard about the wedding to Storm it just sounded like a desperate attempt at sales, but I have to say that the interaction between the two has been interesting. The only thing I haven't liked is the depiction of Dr. Doom as a racist. Where did they get tht idea? Doom thinks he is better than everybody! Race, gender, etc , don't even enter the equation.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Mar 14, 2007 11:59:52 GMT -5
If Hudlin never ever writes Doom ever again I'll be happy.
Black Panther is my guilty pleasure; I sense bad writing, I sense bad characterization, there is blatant constant racism and an attempt to make Panther seem better than anyone... but it's a fun book!
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Post by Nutcase65 on Mar 14, 2007 14:52:57 GMT -5
I'm glad to find out I'm not the only one who sees merit in this title. The racist angle is something that I have noticed as well Doom, almost like they are trying to compensate for skin color issues. They don't need to compensate for anything, because he's a pretty good character on his own. Watching the marriage interaction is fun as well.
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Post by balok on Mar 14, 2007 15:57:55 GMT -5
Doom is, and always has been as far as I can recall, a megalomaniac. To make him a racist sort of conflicts with years of established characterization, I feel. But, then, I feel Marvel has been reinventing a lot of its characters by ignoring what they were.
In the modern world, one quick and easy way to make someone despised is to show them as overtly racist. Perhaps Marvel decided that too many people did not think of Doom as a villain, or as villainous *enough*.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Mar 14, 2007 17:52:38 GMT -5
...WHAT? BALOK? JUDGING ALL OF MARVEL BY A SINGLE BAD WRITER? SAY IT AIN'T SO! ... , sorry my little crack. Anyway I have to agree about Doom. Doom doesn't see you as inferior because you're black or you're female or whatever. Doom sees you as inferior because you are Not Doom.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Mar 14, 2007 18:50:11 GMT -5
I wasn't saying that about Doctor Doom I was refering to Doom's post,... gotta start using that quote feature
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Post by Shiryu on Mar 15, 2007 9:39:42 GMT -5
Just moving this topic in the Initiative forum
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Post by imperiusrex on Mar 15, 2007 19:30:31 GMT -5
Just moving this topic in the Initiative forum You should retitle it also. There are two threads in this section with the same title...
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Post by Nutcase65 on Mar 15, 2007 21:53:52 GMT -5
What about Ms. Marvel? Is anyone gonna be picking this up? I didn't really get too much out of her CW run, I don't know ho much better this will be.
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Post by redstatecap on Mar 15, 2007 22:34:28 GMT -5
Ms. Marvel from what I've read has been very hit-or-miss. Some issues are OK, some are pretty bad. Editorial hasn't done the title any favors in saddling the character with pro-SHRA views -- for example, lying to Jessica Drew that Cap was still alive so she and Iron Man could trap the New Avengers.
RSC
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Post by Tone-Loc on Mar 15, 2007 23:00:25 GMT -5
So is that what that was in CW: The Initiative? Did this little nugget come out in NA #28 or something?
I was almost thinking that she was duped by Tony into thinking it was true... in The Initiative and in MA#1 she seems to be somewhat the voice of reason/conscience for IM... relatively speaking, of course. I was almost considering maybe picking up her book, but if that was a lie... oh well.
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Post by Tana Nile on Mar 16, 2007 0:03:10 GMT -5
Well it certainly looks like Ms. Marvel, as well as the other Mighty Avengers, knew it was all a lie. I knew Stark's moral integrity was completely gone, but now I have to wonder about all the members of that team as well.
And it's a shame what they're doing to Ms. Marvel. At least in Mighty Avengers 1, she seemed to have some reservations about going after the New Avengers. But I guess the prospect of being team leader is enough for her to keep selling her soul to Stark.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Mar 16, 2007 9:57:47 GMT -5
The way they talk about the upcoming books in her series they are implying that there is about to be some problems between her and IM. I couldn't imagine being the leader of a team when he was on it.
I don't know how much longer they will be working so closely together. She is on who will see that he is manipulating her and resent it heavily, I think.
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Post by redstatecap on Mar 16, 2007 11:28:52 GMT -5
Yeah, I've browsed Mighty, the Initiative, and Ms. Marvel, and editorial is really doing her no favors. Hopefully it won't be a factor in killing her title, but I suspect it might be.
RSC
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Post by Nutcase65 on Mar 16, 2007 17:15:15 GMT -5
OK, I may be about to start a fight here, but Sub-Mariner?
I have never ever thought he was worth his own series.
He just seems so completely one dimensional. The only time his character has been likeable, for me, is when he has amnesia. At all other time he has been,..ahem,...forgettable.
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Post by balok on Mar 16, 2007 18:42:05 GMT -5
Well it certainly looks like Ms. Marvel, as well as the other Mighty Avengers, knew it was all a lie. I knew Stark's moral integrity was completely gone, but now I have to wonder about all the members of that team as well. And it's a shame what they're doing to Ms. Marvel. At least in Mighty Avengers 1, she seemed to have some reservations about going after the New Avengers. But I guess the prospect of being team leader is enough for her to keep selling her soul to Stark. It's certainly a low trick, but remember that Tony believes the ends justify the means, and no longer cares whether people who won't do what he says like him or not. So it's in character for the new Tony. Presumably, the rest of the Mighty Avengers were selected because they either believed in registration or wouldn't disobey. Either way, they're likely to regard this not as betrayal, but as the same kind of scam the police used to pull, where they'd fake a call to some halfwit suspect and tell him he'd won Superbowl tickets, and all he had to do was show up at a certain address to claim them. They rounded up a lot of the dumb criminals before the scam became useless.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Mar 16, 2007 19:09:15 GMT -5
Isn't there supposed to be a She-Hulk issue in this storyline as well?
It's about Jen going after IM I think.
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Post by Tana Nile on Mar 18, 2007 20:02:59 GMT -5
I want to know if we will see the all-Mormon team for Utah that was mentioned in CW 6. Seriously, I think it is an interesting concept. Marvel (DC as well) usually avoids religion in their books, so the idea of a team composed of people with a very strong and specific religious background seems like it could be a really fresh idea to explore.
And the Spaceknights in Iowa? Are we talking Rom and his amazing friends?!
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Post by Nutcase65 on Mar 18, 2007 20:11:23 GMT -5
All Mormon?!?
You mean they go through towns, house to house, knocking on doors, looking for crime? They never find any because no one will answer the door when they knock.
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Post by Tone-Loc on Mar 19, 2007 0:26:59 GMT -5
All Mormon?!? You mean they go through towns, house to house, knocking on doors, looking for crime? They never find any because no one will answer the door when they knock. Hrmmm... I think you were trying to reference Jehova's Witness practicioners there, but a valiant effort none-the-less.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Mar 19, 2007 15:47:54 GMT -5
No no, no no,
Here in South Carolina the Mormons are almost as prevalant door to door as the Jehovahs witness.
They wear black pants, white shirts and ride bikes.
Almost like a gang. OK now I'm scared. You don't think they are really ninjas in training do you?
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Post by Doctor Doom on Mar 19, 2007 18:13:30 GMT -5
Hopefulyl not Nutcase. If there's one thing NA has taught is, it's that NO-ONE can take on Ninjas.
THAT'S ONE OF MARVEL'S FIRST EVER SUPER HEROES YOU SPEAK OF! RINCE OUT YOUR MOUTH!
....before I put you through a wall to signal the beginning of our friendly chat!
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Post by Shiryu on Mar 21, 2007 19:13:37 GMT -5
OK, I may be about to start a fight here, but Sub-Mariner? I have never ever thought he was worth his own series. He just seems so completely one dimensional. The only time his character has been likeable, for me, is when he has amnesia. At all other time he has been,..ahem,...forgettable. There is one issue of Defenders where he and others end up in a place very much like Alice's Wonderland. His reactions there are worth the whole book ;D Other than that, I liked him in the Avengers in Stern run, and to some extent also in Geoff's run, shortly before Austen took over.
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Post by Shiryu on Mar 21, 2007 19:15:14 GMT -5
Just moving this topic in the Initiative forum You should retitle it also. There are two threads in this section with the same title... True, but I don't know which title to give . Suggestions ?
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Post by Doctor Doom on Mar 22, 2007 11:30:33 GMT -5
"Initiaitve special"? "Civil War: The Initiative"?
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