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Post by Doctor Doom on Jun 9, 2007 7:51:59 GMT -5
Well?
I'm betting Hulk wins by a mile but really I can see no contest here. One side want to smash four heroes and threatens to kill everyone on Earth if their demands aren't met (See World War Hulk #1), the other made a tough choice they thought was right.
If Cap was alive there's no doubt he'd be on the Illuminati's side, albeit reluctantly. Neverhteless, I'm curious- who do you want to win the war?
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Post by Nutcase65 on Jun 9, 2007 8:14:13 GMT -5
What I want is for Hulk to SMASH!!!!
Unfortunately, Marvel will probably stick with the whole 'ends justify the means' schtick and have the Illuminati whip out their new forces:
Ninja Zombie pro reg Cap Mutant Inhuman Beyonder Cross Dressing Galactus and the Irredeemable Ant-Man as the new Watcher.
They'll take Hulk down
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Post by Doctor Doom on Jun 9, 2007 8:22:53 GMT -5
Hang on, so the ILLUMINATI atre the advocate for "Ends Justify the Means"?
Not the guy who's holding New York City hostage and threatening to kill everyone on Earth unless he gets to kill three people?
Ooookay....
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Post by Nutcase65 on Jun 9, 2007 8:48:40 GMT -5
no no no
Look at the characters in question
When the illuminati shot their good friend into the cosmos they were operating under 'ends justify the means' It's ok to shoot our good friend into space because he may probably hurt someone in the future. That's ends justify the means'
Hulk does not operate that way. He has always been up front about the way he does things. You tick him off and "HULK SMASH!!!!!!!" He doesn't try to justify his questionable actions or excuse them with words. He smashes.
You shoot him into space he smashes you hit him with a missile he smashes you send Abomination after him he smashes you get his hamburger order wrong he smashes
no hiding behind pretty logic. So yes the illuminati are still the ones guilty of 'ends justify the means' now they get to see that sometimes those ends aren't what they want.
hmmmmm seems like Tony 'the futurist' should've seen this coming and Hulk being such a large force should've shown up in Reeds 'Asimov math' oh well. I'm sure they'll ertcon that at some point.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Jun 9, 2007 9:10:23 GMT -5
Actually we've already been told Hulk will make no significent impact on the Initiative so there's really no particular reason why it would have shown up on Reed's projections. Methinks it will have zero reprucussions beyond Hulk's own circle of characters.
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Post by balok on Jun 9, 2007 19:04:42 GMT -5
I doubt seriously they're going to kill off Tony, Doctor Strange, Reed Richards, Xavier or Namor. They just whacked Cap and that ought to sate Quesada's blood lust for a bit. So the smart money says the Illuminati win.
But I would like to have them win in such a way that the world learns what they did the Hulk, and why he's so angry. He has a legitimate beef with all of them.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Jun 10, 2007 4:31:57 GMT -5
Good news Balok, Illuminati 5 does just that!
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Post by Shiryu on Jun 10, 2007 10:50:11 GMT -5
There was an interesting interview, straight after Civil War, in which Quesada said that one of the first things to be decided was that the ProReg side would have won, otherwise nothing would have changed and the story would have been pointless.
I suppose the same principle applies here too, which side's victory will change the MU the most ? On one side we have Hulk ruler of the Earth: that whould show the Initiative and all the new superhero teams as something rather useless since they didn't manage to stop him. On the other, the Illuminati win and all the subsequences of Civil War become a divine blessing that made humanity deal with the alien invasors.
Or we can have something in the middle, like the Illuminati winning but being exposed, resulting in a big scandal for Tony, Reed etc. I'd actually go with this one and, more remotely, the 1st, but not with a clean cut victory from the Illuminati.
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Post by balok on Jun 11, 2007 21:30:27 GMT -5
I wonder what effects getting exposed will have on them, though? Will it make John and Jane Doe re-evaluate whether these men are heroes, and whether what they stand for is heroism? Somehow, I doubt it.
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Post by Alchemist-X on Jun 11, 2007 21:52:12 GMT -5
Superheroes screwing up is kinda like Micheal Irvin of Dallas Cowboys fame getting coked out. Sure the public sees it and its scandal filled, but then Irvin catches a TD pass and it all goes away untill next time. Tony exposes himself and gets down in the dirt, and saves the world and all is good again.
More likely than anything WWH is going to be a vehicle to get all the Illuminati clear conciences so they can clear out the coruption from Civil War and truely make a brave new world with their Innitiative.
Who stands to gain the most from this? It is ever so clearly Batman. WWH seems to have generated abysmal interest so less money spent in Marvel is good for DC, and by association Batman. Winner Dark Knight.
Plus I finally saw The Batman epsidoe with the Martian Manhunter and the JL intro. That was bad-ass, why can't Marvel ever get cartoons as right as DC does on such a consistent basis.
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Post by balok on Jun 12, 2007 10:07:42 GMT -5
Superheroes screwing up is kinda like Micheal Irvin of Dallas Cowboys fame getting coked out. Sure the public sees it and its scandal filled, but then Irvin catches a TD pass and it all goes away untill next time. Tony exposes himself and gets down in the dirt, and saves the world and all is good again. Granted. So why didn't people mourn the dead in Stamford, put the blame where it belonged (on Nitro's shoulders) and get on with their lives? Why did that particular incident differ from the others? (I think the answer is: because Marvel wanted it to, as opposed to, because there was something fundamentally different between it and the numerous other, less documented incidents of collateral damage over the years.)
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Post by Alchemist-X on Jun 12, 2007 14:32:08 GMT -5
the only real difference was the new warriros reality tv angle making it the most documented collateral damage incident in the MU.
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