Post by Doctor Doom on May 23, 2007 11:10:43 GMT -5
I'll be brutally honest here: I hate the Hulk. I do not know why. He is the only major marvel icon I simply CANNOT stand. I have never read a Hulk story I have enjoyed, ever, and when he's on the Defenders or whatever I simply want him to leave
You can imagine how overjoyed I was to have a marvel crossover about him.
While I was not a HULK fan in the beginning. I have been rediscovering other Marvel comic characters. I recently watched the HULK movie (yea, I know it's been out since 2005) and Ultimate Avengers movie. I think he's interesting to see time to time.
I like the recent cartoOn version in Ultimate Avengers movie. He looks fierce and menacing! ..the 70's , 80's he seemed too friendly, P.C. in cartoOns. I hated his long hair I guess ,too.
Reading the Avengers Masterworks (reprints of original issues), I was stunned to see he could speak in complete, coherent sentances!..unlike a famous politician.. HULK was dumbed down I guess somewhere down the road.
I should have included Ultimate Hulk too, guess I was just too focused on the 'regular' universe. But he's definitely an option.
Personally, I am torn between smart Hulk and the early Hulk. While I read the innocent/dumb Hulk as a kid, when I go back to those stories now they are very hit or miss. Whether I like the story or not has less to do with the Hulk and more to do with who he interacts with during the course of the issue. The dumb Hulk just can't sustain my interest by himself.
Post by Alchemist-X on May 28, 2007 18:41:48 GMT -5
And people say Doom loves Marvel blindly
Hulks had some good stories, most of the older ones in my opinion, the Newer incarnations suffer from too much extended history to work around, and overuse of good story concepts already. Haven't read it consistently in a while however, fell out of favor and never saw a good jumping on point again.
Even WWH doesn't strike me as a good jumping on point right now though.
Post by Doctor Bong on Jun 4, 2007 14:46:32 GMT -5
I'm assuming the current incarnation of the Hulk is a sort of amalgam between the smart green Hulk & the grey one (smart, but perhaps a little more ruthless than the smart green Hulk...), since he's obviously not dumb at all... I mean, 'cause the smart green Hulk I knew could be at times more of an anti-hero than a "classic" hero, but he had too much of Bruce Banner in him to purposely wreak havok on planet Earth just to get revenge on a bunch of guys... yes, admitedly, what he has recently gone through is the equivalent of revisiting the death of Betty Ross, certainly a devastating, traumatic experience but still, the Hulk used to be, you know, one of the "good guys" at heart... Oh, but I forget... the Hulk of the brave NEW Marvel order is NOT anymore my Hulk... In fact, he's a monster (both without & within) who's worse than any supervillian, since he's responsible for the loss of thousands of innocent lives... Sigh...! I guess that's what some people would call "character development"...
Post by Doctor Doom on Jun 4, 2007 15:14:32 GMT -5
Actually, fraid you're wrong Bong. The current Hulk is NOT responsible for the death of thousands. It's been established many people died in his rampages but we're talking maybe a hundred or two, and even then just how guilty he is is debatable. So he's far from "Monster inside and out".
Post by Doctor Bong on Jun 4, 2007 16:17:49 GMT -5
Well, I'm glad to know that such is the case, Doom... I guess some of the talk led me to believe we were talking about thousands of casualties, after all the Hulk has been rampaging all over the Earth for many years now, even if we apply Marvel's sliding time scale to him... I probably read some speculations on that regard & I took them for fact but, in any case, I'm glad that's not the case... Still, to cause a conflagration of global proportions just to satisfy a desire for revenge doesn't seem like any thinking Hulk that I've known...
"Whose side you're on?" Quite simple: heroes who actually behave like heroes...
Maybe a hundred or two? You do know that when an actual serial killer reaches double digits, law enforcement starts to form special task forces, multi-agency cooperatives, and suchlike. At least over here. I can't imagine that if the Hulk *really* killed (or caused the deaths of) a hundred or two people, that there wouldn't be a hue and cry for his destruction from *everyone*, especially in the climate of fear that got the SHRA passed. Why aren't people demanding that Tony, as the new head of SHIELD, see to the Hulk's complete destruction (and toss the body into the sun)? Or, are they?
Certain characters simply don't work in a hyper-realistic world. (The Punisher and The Joker are two other examples - somehow, someone would have killed them long before this.)
Post by scribbler357 on Jun 5, 2007 11:16:10 GMT -5
THIS IS NOT A BENDIS BASH - REPEAT -- THIS IS NOT A BENDIS BASH
Maybe it's just me, but the subject of how many people The Hulk might have killed during his rampages didn't become a real subject of debate until after the House of M reboot. I mean maybe the Marvel "real world" is a good thing because the innocence is long gone...
Post by Alchemist-X on Jun 6, 2007 23:24:55 GMT -5
There has been anti-Hulk Government agencies in the past, so I guess to a certain extent, the anger over the Hulk's destruction has been dealt with by the governemnt(or they were in the process of dealing with it over the years)
I seem to remember that the Hulk's victims were more like casualties, from battles between him and someone else, or acts of defence against the army.
Anyway, I voted for the simpleton Hulk, aka Hulk Smash!! He is definitely not a fav of mine and I only have 5 or 6 of his issues in total, but it was refreshing having a guy who would just hit, with no complicated plans etc. However, when they psychoanalized him, with all the stuff about Bruce's childhood, father etc, I completely lost interest in the character.