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Post by Doctor Doom on Jun 15, 2007 16:49:44 GMT -5
Basically check Newsarama, CBR or any comic website.
Friendly Neighbourhood Sand ensational Spider-Man are cancelled. Amazing will now be published 3 times a month with rotating creative teams who will do an arc each. This all starts October in the wake of "One More Day" which promises to change Spider-Man forever, etc, etc.
Also we see the "One More Day" covers- the first two. Personally I love 'em. They are SO 80s/90s intentionally. It literally is like something STRAIGHT ou of the 90s!
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Post by balok on Jun 16, 2007 22:12:07 GMT -5
So, Amazing will now have the kind of haphazard quality that characterized Friendly and Sensational? Good to know. Glad I'll be stepping off that bus soon. The last Spider-Arc that promised "major changes" was the disappointing "The Other" (that seems to have largely been ignored at Marvel).
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Post by Doctor Doom on Jun 17, 2007 4:59:36 GMT -5
Actually the last Spidey arc that promised "Major Changes" was Civil War... which DID. Rather a LOT.
But moving on, how can you say if it has that haphazard quality? It's TOTALLY new creative teams, not the old Friendly and Sensational ones so there's no way of judging yet. Not that ol' Balok needs a reason to drop a book.
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Post by Alchemist-X on Jun 17, 2007 16:26:19 GMT -5
having less titles come out more often should do wonders for the terrible continuity problems Spideys multiple appearances often create.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Jun 17, 2007 22:48:22 GMT -5
While I’m not making any final decisions yet, I’m a little disappointed by the new approach. As things stand, I like to choose which Spider-Man series to read—whether all, some, or none. And I like the concept of different Spidey series with different “personalities”. If the new ASM happens to be good at producing stories I like, I guess I’ll live with it. But if the rotation is uneven, I might decide I’d rather drop the whole thing than try to collect all of Writer A’s issues and avoid all of Writer B’s. And I sympathize with those for whom the new approach might be too much for their budget.
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Post by Alchemist-X on Jun 20, 2007 1:26:20 GMT -5
I think if anyone can pull off such a frequent title, it would be Spider-man. He's always had multiple titles going and several simultaneous in normal continuity. Not to mention Ultimate and Marvel Adventures titles, marvel moves lots of Spider-titles.
This seems like Marvel's answer to DCs constant stream of weekly titles (52 ran right into countdown, thats 2 years of consistent weekly titles).
With everything always being so late from almost all comic publishers, timley and frequent publishing is starting to become a beter selling point for a title(and a way to move a lot of books for the respective company)
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Post by Engage on Jun 20, 2007 14:20:47 GMT -5
There should be no problem with the new format because there's still the same amount of titles. Its not really a weekly, its just the same three titles with two of them being renamed.
I don't like the covers for One More Day. I feel like its mocking me that comics cost four dollars.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Jun 21, 2007 22:06:22 GMT -5
There should be no problem with the new format because there's still the same amount of titles. Its not really a weekly, its just the same three titles with two of them being renamed. That sort of thinking works for people who currently get all three titles anyway, but not everybody does; if I’m not mistaken, Amazing has about three times the readership of both Friendly and Sensational (which might tell you something about the motive behind the consolidation). Some time ago I dropped Sensational out of displeasure with its writer’s work, but Amazing and Friendly remain on my pull list (I haven’t been completely satisfied with those series either, but let’s not get into that). If I find that I like at least one but not all of the rotating creative teams on the consolidated series, I might prefer to drop it altogether rather than go through the mess of having my comics shop hold certain issues and not others.
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Post by Engage on Jun 21, 2007 22:53:56 GMT -5
I wasn't referring to readership. I just think that physically they should be able to deliver the book on time because its the same amount of titles.
The move itself now forces people to buy three Spider-Man titles a month to follow the story. That seems like a bad idea.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Jun 22, 2007 13:54:07 GMT -5
I know what you mean, Phantom, I only got two spidey titles (The same two as you incidentally) myself so this is one extra for me but I have faith in the creative teams... even if my favourite writer says they're too inexperienced...
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Post by balok on Jun 22, 2007 18:19:10 GMT -5
The goal would seem to be to tie the continuity so closely together that one is either in for three Spider-books or none. On the surface, it appears to be another example of "marketing wins the marketing vs. creative integrity" fight. Creative integrity's gotta be on the ropes by now...
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Post by Doctor Doom on Jun 22, 2007 18:22:00 GMT -5
And yet again Balok takes the cynical view! Imagine my SHOCK!
Course Balok, one could theoretically pick up just one writer's arcs which would balance out at the exact same price as one book, more or less but I know that ruins the point you were trying to make.
There's also a SUBSTANTIAL question as to why exactly creative integrity suffers because the book can finish a story in a much smaller amount of time but ookay..
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Post by The Night Phantom on Jun 23, 2007 14:10:57 GMT -5
Incoming ASM editor Stephen Wacker has a Q&A session on Newsarama (in place of the customary New Joe Fridays). It addresses some of the topics we’ve been discussing here, as well as topics relating to the other (non-Spidey) series he is or will be editing. I have faith in the creative teams I don’t; I don’t even know who they are. I’ll have to learn more before making my decision.
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Post by Alchemist-X on Jun 23, 2007 17:16:20 GMT -5
I hope he was joking
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Post by The Night Phantom on Jun 23, 2007 20:31:31 GMT -5
I’m afraid he isn’t. The word cojones comes directly from Spanish, where it is the plural of cojón. While I can see why an English speaker would be tempted to replace the j with an h—since the sound of Spanish j superficially resembles that of English h—it’s still a spelling error. (Indeed, the Spanish h is silent, and that doesn’t fit the pronunciation of the word at all.) Furthermore, the vowel of the first syllable is clearly an o, not an a. Such egregriously poor orthography obfuscates the writer’s message. Sorry to disappoint, ése. But I am glad to see that this editor is on the ball—so to speak.
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Post by balok on Jun 23, 2007 22:21:23 GMT -5
And yet again Balok takes the cynical view! Imagine my SHOCK! Hey, I'd like it to be different, but Marvel has trained me not to trust it. Course Balok, one could theoretically pick up just one writer's arcs which would balance out at the exact same price as one book, more or less but I know that ruins the point you were trying to make. It doesn't, actually. Say you like one team, don't like one team, and are indifferent to the third team. That means you get 3-6 of every 9 issues, and face continuity problems when the issues you get refer to things that happened in the issues you didn't. And that assumes just three teams, which probably won't be the case. It's also going to make life tough for "subscribers" such as myself, to tell the comic store how to pick issues. There's also a SUBSTANTIAL question as to why exactly creative integrity suffers because the book can finish a story in a much smaller amount of time but ookay.. That's not why it suffers. It suffers because the book wobbles about its creative access as each team hands off to the other team.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Jun 24, 2007 7:34:47 GMT -5
It doesn't, actually. Say you like one team, don't like one team, and are indifferent to the third team. That means you get 3-6 of every 9 issues, and face continuity problems when the issues you get refer to things that happened in the issues you didn't. And that assumes just three teams, which probably won't be the case. It's also going to make life tough for "subscribers" such as myself, to tell the comic store how to pick issues. But here we have the arcane magick that is known as the Recap page. There's no reason there'd be huge continuity problems as the recap page which Marvel, unlike the Distinguished Competitiion, employs will tell you any relevant details that will affect this upcoming story- and that's assuming there ARE many which 7/10 times there won't be. For subscribers I concede you have a point. That's not why it suffers. It suffers because the book wobbles about its creative access as each team hands off to the other team. A matter of opinion.
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Post by balok on Jun 25, 2007 19:57:56 GMT -5
But here we have the arcane magick that is known as the Recap page. There's no reason there'd be huge continuity problems as the recap page which Marvel, unlike the Distinguished Competitiion, employs will tell you any relevant details that will affect this upcoming story- and that's assuming there ARE many which 7/10 times there won't be. Maybe. You're still left with two unpleasant choices: a collection with random gaps, or a paying good money for bad stories. Marvel isn't the first to try this: DC produced a book (now canceled) called Legends of the Dark Knight which told stories of Batman's early career. Because each creative team lasted for, generally, a single arc, the quality wobbled between really good and really bad. After awhile, I resented the feeling that I was roped into purchasing bad stories, but as I was a completist then, I didn't drop the book. In fact, I had it canceled out from under me and I was kinda relieved. For subscribers I concede you have a point. Woohoo! Doc concedes someone who disagrees with him has a point! Sure. But see above for an example that bears out my opinion. I have no reason to believe Marvel will assign only creative teams I like to this book, and every reason to believe it won't, since Marvel, right now, is not electing to tell stories I find enjoyable.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Jul 26, 2007 13:06:20 GMT -5
Or are you electing not to enjoy the stories Marvel chooses to tell? Anyway, the creative teams are to be revealed this coming week-end. The only things certain are that it's looking pretty sure Bachalo is on art, and very likely McNiven is also on art, with a possibility of Mark millar writing the title as one of the writers from February or so next year, as opposed to from the start.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Jul 27, 2007 14:17:46 GMT -5
Marc Guggenheim (Blade, Flash, Wolverine) now confirmed as a writer on the new format Amazing Spider-Man.
Phil Jiminez all but announced as one of the pencillers.
JR Jr also seems very likely as an artist, with Bachalo almost certain and maybe McNiven or Larocca as the last.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Jul 28, 2007 17:39:38 GMT -5
Spidey teams now revealed: Dan Slott, Steve McNiven, Dexter Vines and Morry Hollowell Marc Guggenheim, Salvador Larrocca and Jason Keith Bob Gale, Phil Jimenez, Andy Lanning and Jeromy Cox Zeb Wells, Chris Bachalo, Tim Townshend and Antonio Fabela BUT Bachalo is only on for one arc. Just for clarification: Team One:-Dan Slott, known for Avengers: The Initiative and She-Hulk and a lighter tone to his work. It's been basically known about him for MONTHS, but he's written Spidey in some of his books to VERY positive response. And it's the art team from Civil War, right down to the colourist. And even if you hated the story, it's hard to deny that it was an INCREDIBLY drawn book. Team Two:Guggenheim, wrote a brief Wolverine arc, the Blade relaunch and the last few issues of Flash, all to some critical acclaim, especially the Flash work. Got a bit of a reputation for banter (Which MAY come in handy ) from the Flash stuff. Larroca works on Uncanny X-Men, I'm not too much of a fan personally though. Team Three:Gale wrote Back to the Future, believe it or not! i'm not too familiar with his work in general. Phil Jiminez drew some X-Men and the majority of "Infinite Crisis" and would sometimes be called a George Pérez imitaitor. What these people forget is that George Pérez is one of the best artists in existence... and so is Jimenez! Team Four:Zeb wells writes Heroes For Hire, bt I've never read anything os his- he usually gets positive acclaim. Bachalo's only on one arc, but he does some X-Men work I believe. I'll have comment on all this when I've stoped screaming in joy.
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Post by balok on Aug 1, 2007 20:07:54 GMT -5
Team 1 sounds like the one I'd like the best, closely followed by Team 3. I'm indifferent to team 2 and would probably dislike Team 4. The problem with 4 is Wells, not Bachalo, so his departure doesn't improve that team for me.
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Post by Shiryu on Aug 2, 2007 10:31:47 GMT -5
I hardly know the writers In fact, except for Dan Slott, I don't think I've ever read anything from the others. Judging from the artists, team 3 is my favourite (even though Spidey is actually the only character I don't like when drawn by Perez. He is too skinny and looks like Ditko's, but I prefer the more muscular Spidey from Romita Sr). Team 1 sounds very good as well, and teams 2 and 4 just behind. I would have preferred other writers, but will be happy to give these ones a chance.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Aug 2, 2007 17:02:56 GMT -5
I'll vouch for Guggenheim as having a style which is like a cross of Slott and Millar. For characterization, I don't know, but he NAILED Wolverine and Bart Allen in the eyes of a large number of fans of both characters, which is encouraging.
The one thing I can definitely say about Guggenheim is that he is the antithesis of decompression. (He had an arc in which the Flash solved a murder mystery, fought and defeated Zoom, Inertia gathered the Rogues, Bart discovered what was going to happenh in the future and then battled all the Rogues in a giant fight which ended with his death. This arc lasted 4 issues.) If anything, I sometimes want him to slow down because it's a little TOO compressed!
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Post by Alchemist-X on Aug 2, 2007 18:49:34 GMT -5
Hardly the all-star lineup one could hope for
Definately putting their best foot forward, team one is the only team I can get excited about.
I guess I'll just wait and see
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Post by The Night Phantom on Aug 2, 2007 21:12:20 GMT -5
And it's the art team from Civil War, right down to the colourist. And even if you hated the story, it's hard to deny that it was an INCREDIBLY drawn book. Actually, I greatly disliked the artwork on Civil War. In a word, I found it turgid. This surprises me, for I thought you had read all the “Civil War” books. Wells wrote Civil War: Young Avengers & Runaways.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Aug 3, 2007 4:45:09 GMT -5
Actually, I greatly disliked the artwork on Civil War. In a word, I found it turgid. I am almost speechless. In fact, I probably would be but then again, I've now heard from someone who hates George Pérez's art which I find to be the best in the existence of comic books so I doubt anything can surprise me anymore. Oh, he did? Okay, then I HAVE, but it doesn't really influence my opinion as that was a thoroughlly average series.
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Post by balok on Aug 16, 2007 18:16:47 GMT -5
I am almost speechless. In fact, I probably would be but then again, I've now heard from someone who hates George Pérez's art which I find to be the best in the existence of comic books so I doubt anything can surprise me anymore. <Don LaFontaine>In a world where Leinil Yu can find steady employment...</Don LaFontaine>nothing should surprise you.
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Post by Alchemist-X on Aug 16, 2007 20:31:02 GMT -5
Actually, I greatly disliked the artwork on Civil War. In a word, I found it turgid. I am almost speechless. In fact, I probably would be but then again, I've now heard from someone who hates George Pérez's art which I find to be the best in the existence of comic books so I doubt anything can surprise me anymore. Oh, he did? Okay, then I HAVE, but it doesn't really influence my opinion as that was a thoroughlly average series. That YA-Runaways showed that he could at least write the runaways properly without his own spin spinning them into something else. (something I worried would happen considering they had been the vision of only Vaughan at that point)How he handles Spider-man could be anyones guess of course.
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Post by Black Knight on Sept 6, 2007 15:42:39 GMT -5
And yet again Balok takes the cynical view! Imagine my SHOCK! Course Balok, one could theoretically pick up just one writer's arcs which would balance out at the exact same price as one book, more or less but I know that ruins the point you were trying to make. There's also a SUBSTANTIAL question as to why exactly creative integrity suffers because the book can finish a story in a much smaller amount of time but ookay.. I thought that it was three different creative teams, all writing the same story, so that all three issues followed the same arc. Correct me if I am wrong on that?
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