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Post by The Night Phantom on Mar 4, 2007 16:52:12 GMT -5
Oh, wow!! As I write this, the site’s main page claims that the “Other ‘Big Events’” board has -1 topic and -1 post!! I imagine this is some weird side effect of Van’s moving the sole thread in this new board into the even newer “World War Hulk” board. I wonder if posting this will up the counts to zero? |
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Post by The Night Phantom on Mar 4, 2007 16:53:40 GMT -5
I wonder if posting this will up the counts to zero? It did—how weird… |
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Post by dlw66 on Mar 4, 2007 17:40:41 GMT -5
A) Earlier today, I had noticed the same thing you did. B) That is not what I thought this thread would be about. I figured the title was a reference to the famed "DC Implosion" of the mid-70's when they greatly contracted the number of titles they were publishing. I'd hoped you had a scoop that Marvel was about to do the same...  |
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Post by Doctor Doom on Mar 4, 2007 17:41:51 GMT -5
So dlw, you thought that with Marvel at the greatest height they've been at in a decade, they decided to topple THEMSELVES to rob DC of the satisfaction of doing so? |
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Post by balok on Mar 4, 2007 19:35:03 GMT -5
One can hope that comic book fans will "help" Marvel greatly reduce the number of titles they're publishing...  |
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Post by Doctor Doom on Mar 5, 2007 12:04:40 GMT -5
See this is what I don't get, Balok.
Do you honestly think for a moment that if Marvel comics stop selling, they will say "Oh no, better go back to the OLD days of Avengers, with no big events and none of the character development of the last few years!" If you do, okay but you're in denial. If not, why can't you let us large number who like Marvel just enjoy it? Why destroy our pleasure because YOU no longer derive enjoyment from it?
I know you were speaking as a joke, but that is the definite vibe I pick up from you and many others.
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Post by von Bek on Mar 5, 2007 13:12:24 GMT -5
Do you honestly think for a moment that if Marvel comics stop selling, they will say "Oh no, better go back to the OLD days of Avengers, with no big events and none of the character development of the last few years!" If you do, okay but you're in denial. Yes I do and I´m not in denial, it did happen before, it was called "Heroes Return". If not, why can't you let us large number who like Marvel just enjoy it? Why destroy our pleasure because YOU no longer derive enjoyment from it? I know you were speaking as a joke, but that is the definite vibe I pick up from you and many others. Man, how am I destroying your pleasure? Am I preventing you from reading the books or anything?  |
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Post by Doctor Doom on Mar 5, 2007 13:29:05 GMT -5
Not really, totally different situations.
Not necessarily you personally, but wishing for marvel to collapse so you can read what you want personally even when many others like the new changes? That strikes me as selfish.
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Post by von Bek on Mar 5, 2007 13:44:41 GMT -5
Not really, totally different situations. How? After years of events and mischaracterizations and the flavour of the month Marvel hired Busiek and Perez (let´s stay with just The Avengers for the moment) for a relaunch that was basically turn the clock back to the late 70´s/early 80´s. Not necessarily you personally, but wishing for marvel to collapse so you can read what you want personally even when many others like the new changes? That strikes me as selfish. You kinda lost me here. I don´t want Marvel to collapse. I don´t want another Chapter 11. All I want is good entertainment. And you saying you - among others - like the books so what I - among others - want from the books don´t matter strikes me as even more selfish. |
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Post by dlw66 on Mar 5, 2007 14:36:57 GMT -5
Not necessarily you personally, but wishing for marvel to collapse so you can read what you want personally even when many others like the new changes? That strikes me as selfish. Hey, Marvel closing the doors was never the meaning of my snide little remark near the top -- I also don't want them out of business. I merely made a reference to a historical chapter in DC's life. Marvel was on top at that point and just kicking the crap out of DC. DC attempted to keep pace, and the balance sheet started to look not-so-good. So, DC found that they had to greatly contract what they were putting out. So, my reference in light of Marvel today was simply this (and maybe it's not even a parallel -- you see how I come across by the time I'm done here): does Marvel have too many titles on the market? Witness W's "Civil War Read Order". I am not rich, nor am I richly invested with time. I don't know how anyone could purchase and read CW and all of the peripheries, and also stay in touch with the Ultimate Universe and Marvel's non-CW-involved titles. Are there stories being told that really need to be told, or could be told in mini-series, annuals, anthology titles, etc? Is the consumer at the top of the Marvel's list, or just their bottom line? We've remarked around here several times about sales figures from the heydays of the 60's-70's... there were fewer titles for us to choose from. I wonder if we added up "Avengers-related" titles and compared them to sales figures from, say, 1978 (no reason -- just picked a year) -- would it be close? Maybe some of us are just stretched too thin, can't keep up, and thus feel detached. I can speak from personal experience that while I do not care for the current path of Avenging, I also don't even want to make the effort to stay current with Cap, IM, Thor, the Panther, etc., etc. There're just too many books out there. So, no, I don't want Marvel sinking -- I just think both of the Big Two (DC is included in this rant as well) could contract a bit and improve overall quality while helping their consumers to feel like they can take a bit more ownership of even a corner of the Marvel or DC universes. |
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Post by balok on Mar 5, 2007 16:33:50 GMT -5
Do you honestly think for a moment that if Marvel comics stop selling, they will say "Oh no, better go back to the OLD days of Avengers, with no big events and none of the character development of the last few years!" Whether they'll give me what I want remains unclear. But they're giving me what I don't want now, so almost any change would have to be for the better from my perspective. And, if you consider that what happened to Tony, Reed, and Steve in the pages of Civil War was character development, well, we'll just have to disagree on that point. I regard it is "character discardment" - their heroic legacy thrown in the dumpster for the sake of a huge, hero on hero throwdown that left Marvel an unpleasant place. In his Q&A, Tom Brevoort notes that as long as Justice League of America or 52 are in the top selling books, he sees dollars out there for Marvel (presumably meaning that he wishes to displace a DC title with a Marvel title). If, on the other hand, more DC title start appearing in the top sellers, that sends a different message. That doesn't require Marvel to be out of business. Just hurt a little. Generally, when a vendor produces a product I don't like, I don't buy that product. And I will say that I don't like it in places where the product is discussed. That calculus of capitalism doesn't factor the opinions of other customers into my buying decisions. Over on this thread you discuss making some of the same decisions yourself... If not, why can't you let us large number who like Marvel just enjoy it? Why destroy our pleasure because YOU no longer derive enjoyment from it? How am I destroying your pleasure? Unless the fact that I don't like the book somehow diminishes your enjoyment? Otherwise, go ahead and enjoy it. And if there are more of you than there are of us, you will be able to enjoy it for years to come. |
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Post by Doctor Doom on Mar 5, 2007 17:04:30 GMT -5
I apologize Balok, I merely was speaking with my heart at your remark that you HOPED Marvel had to change and radically reshift their line. Had such a thing occured, you implied it would have been a good thing, despite the fact that the chances of it going back to the way you loved it were virtually nil. Basically, I was angry at the implication that just because you couldn't have the Marvel you liked, we shouldn't keep the Marvel we want.
This was, it appears,a misinterpretation on my part and I do apologize most sincerely for it.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Mar 5, 2007 22:41:05 GMT -5
What the—??That was a fair lot of gibble-gabble while I was gone…and the topic count is still zero… 
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Post by Nutcase65 on Mar 14, 2007 21:32:58 GMT -5
I love you
You love me
We're a marvel family
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