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Post by sharkar on May 17, 2007 20:19:59 GMT -5
Loved M. Severin's work on Sub-Mariner. Sub-Mariner was one of the few non-team books that I read on a regular basis and I actually thought her unique style suited the underwater setting and characters of the book better than John Buscema's vigorous, powerful style did.
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Post by dlw66 on May 18, 2007 12:08:35 GMT -5
Herb Trimpe is one of those artists who I only associate (in my mind, at least) with one character. For the most part I always think of DD when anyone says "Gene Colan". Curt Swan = Superman.
Who is like this for you?
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Post by von Bek on May 18, 2007 13:03:06 GMT -5
Jim Starlin => Captain Mar Vell and/or Adam Warlock John Romita Sr. => Spiderman Sal Buscema => Hulk Michael Golden => Micronauts
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Post by dlw66 on May 18, 2007 13:11:11 GMT -5
Jim Starlin => Captain Mar Vell and/or Adam Warlock John Romita Sr. => Spiderman Sal Buscema => Hulk Michael Golden => Micronauts Ditto on the first two. Sal Buscema, for whatever reason, leaps into my mind on the Defenders or Spectacular Spider-Man. I know he's done about everything and I've had so many books by him, but he just stays there. My experience with Michael Golden is limited, but he is an outstanding artist.
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Post by von Bek on May 18, 2007 14:09:59 GMT -5
Sal Buscema probably worked on almost every Marvel character, but I had such a good time reading his (with Roger Stern and Bill Mantlo) Hulk as a kid that when I heard the name Sal Buscema the first character that comes to my mind is the emerald monster.
How about these: Bob Layton => Iron Man Jo Duffy => Power Man and Iron Fist Mike Baron => The Badger
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Post by Tana Nile on May 18, 2007 15:20:28 GMT -5
Loved M. Severin's work on Sub-Mariner. Sub-Mariner was one of the few non-team books that I read on a regular basis and I actually thought her unique style suited the underwater setting and characters of the book better than John Buscema's vigorous, powerful style did. She's probably one of the more under-appreciated silver age artists. Her work on Sub-Mariner (and before that, Tales to Astonish) has a very smooth, fluid style that reminds me of Greek statues...My all time favorite work by her is the cover to Tales to Astonish 93, with the Hulk and Silver Surfer. It is a beautiful cover, full of power and drama.
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Post by Tana Nile on May 18, 2007 15:29:28 GMT -5
Herb Trimpe is one of those artists who I only associate (in my mind, at least) with one character. For the most part I always think of DD when anyone says "Gene Colan". Curt Swan = Superman. Who is like this for you? John Romita Sr = Spider-Man Herb Trimpe = Hulk Jim Aparo = Batman Dick Dillin = Justice League George Tuska = Iron Man
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Post by Tana Nile on May 18, 2007 19:58:05 GMT -5
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Post by dlw66 on May 18, 2007 21:07:20 GMT -5
I love that site, and have for years!!
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Post by sharkar on May 20, 2007 20:23:29 GMT -5
Me, too!! It's a fantastic site (and I think it was you,dlw, who pointed out months ago it even contains a link to the Bullpen Bulletins). A great resource...I especially love its breakdowns of the various Ages of Marvel.
Regarding Marie Severin: I even like her when paired with the vilified Vince Colletta (whom we've mentioned earlier in this thread); I thought his soft inks really complemented her pencils and enhanced its otherworldly look.
Marie didn't get a lot of publicity but she was clearly an integral part of the Marvel machine in the late 60s-early 70s. She joined Marvel at the suggestion of her brother and started doing coloring and other art production jobs (assisting Sol Brodsky and later, Romita,Sr.). As has been often told, she was tapped to draw a "mini comic" to accompany an Esquire piece on Marvel (because the powers that be did not want to take Kirby and the others away from their real work). Martin Goodman or someone saw her artwork and said something like what is she doing in production? Ger her on a book, pronto! The rest (Strange, Subby, Hulk, Not Brand Echh, Kull, etc.) is history.
Even with regular penciling duties, Marie continued her production work including cover design/layout. Two that come to mind (among many) are the covers for FF #101 (Kirby's last FF cover before departing in 1970) and #107 ("And Now--The Thing!"). Laying out covers for Marvel heavyweights like Kirby and Buscema--not too shabby!
I don't know too much about John Severin's EC work or his Marvel war work- -but his and Marie's collaboration on Kull was wonderful. They produced a fitting, old-fashioned look for the book--not a drop of slickness.
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Post by dlw66 on May 20, 2007 20:27:59 GMT -5
Regarding female artists of the time, Marie's work is probably much more renowned (and perhaps better overall as a body of work) than her counterpart at DC -- Ramona Fradon. Fradon is perhaps best known by folks my age as the penciller for the Super Friends tie-in comic books. However, she has a resume all her own that included more mainstream DC books. EDIT: Here is a link to some more info. on her career: www.lambiek.net/artists/f/fradon_ramona.htmThere just don't seem to be many well-known women pencillers in the industry (then or now). At the risk of running this severely off-topic, how many women can you name? Colleen Doran comes to mind...
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Post by sharkar on May 20, 2007 21:49:21 GMT -5
dlw, I haven't checked out the Lambiek link yet but I have always liked Fradon. Very quirky style. She did one of my late 60s favorites, Metamorpho. Loved it because it was offbeat and as such it seemed more like a Marvel book in terms of characterization, dialogue, etc. I have never seen her Aquaman work, so I guess I'll buy the Showcase Presents Aquaman and take a look.
She also followed Dale Messick (a female) on the Brenda Starr strip. As a youngster I religiously followed that daily strip (and wanted to be a reporter like Brenda and Lois Lane).
As for other female comic artists, apart from Severin and Fradon, and Doran, Jessica Abel, Lea Hernandez, and Nicola Scott (I think that's her name, I believe she is doing Wonder Woman now, or was recently), I can't really name any. Certainly not any who have done mainstream DC or Marvel books (though I admit I'm not well-informed about today's artists).
There's a book, "The Great Women Cartoonists" by Trina Robbins, that profiles Messick and others, comic strip artists and contemporary independent comics artists. Fradon and Severin are mentioned too but disappointingly, there is not much about them that can't be found elsewhere.
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Post by Tana Nile on May 21, 2007 9:45:58 GMT -5
I only became aware of Fradon in the last couple of years. From what little I have seen of her work, she seems like a solid artist.
Besides the women you two have already named, what about Wendy Pini of Elfquest fame? While I am not a big fan of the 'cartoony' style, I thought she was a good artist, and had expressive faces on her characters.
I do like Nicola Scott's work, which I have seen regularly now in Birds of Prey. She's got a nice, clean style, but most of all, she knows how to tell a story.
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Post by sharkar on May 21, 2007 18:26:19 GMT -5
I forgot about Pini! She's mentioned in the book I referred to...again, though, not too much about her, and maybe one small reproduction of one of her Elfquest covers. Interesting style, but not one I'm a fan of...as you put it, too "cartoony."
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Post by The Night Phantom on May 21, 2007 19:14:36 GMT -5
I don’t know too much about her, but Cynthia Martin comes to mind when I think of female pencilers. She took over on Marvel’s Star Wars late in its run—rather abruptly, or so it seemed, with an eclectic style tending toward the cartoony. I’m not sure it was always well-suited to the material, but there’s something about her style I like. Apparently Star Wars was her first paid penciling gig (so, definitely not a Silver Age artist!). I know I’ve seen her work elsewhere since, but nothing’s coming to mind.
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Post by dlw66 on May 24, 2007 12:18:51 GMT -5
There is a 30-page preview (!) of the upcoming Joe Sinnott retrospective, Brush Strokes With Greatness, available at www.twomorrows.com. Enjoy! Also, if you go on their website, they have limited editions for the Sinnott book and the also-upcoming Romita book -- with pencilled headshots included! twomorrows.com/media/SinnottPreview.pdf
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Post by Tana Nile on May 25, 2007 10:19:24 GMT -5
Just got this comic off of EBay. Man, they don't make covers like this anymore! Sure, it's ridiculous, but it gets your attention!
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Post by dlw66 on May 25, 2007 11:49:45 GMT -5
Does it ever cease to amaze how far ahead of DC Marvel was in the 1960's? That is one stupid, ridiculous cover! Goofy-cool, though, isn't it??
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Post by dlw66 on May 25, 2007 12:08:56 GMT -5
Here's an idea: using the Silver Age Marvel Comics Cover Index (http://www.samcci.comics.org/) as a resource, post the most DC-like Marvel covers from the Silver Age. Then (and I don't have a good DC site to recommend) try to post the most Marvel-like DC cover of the same period.
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Post by dlw66 on May 25, 2007 12:10:55 GMT -5
Here you go -- Stan and Julie Schwartz must have gone out for lunch!!
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Post by Tana Nile on May 25, 2007 12:29:30 GMT -5
But I bet that copy of Rawhide Kid sold 25% better with the gorilla on it!
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Post by dlw66 on May 25, 2007 12:39:15 GMT -5
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Post by von Bek on May 25, 2007 13:01:57 GMT -5
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Post by von Bek on May 25, 2007 13:09:40 GMT -5
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Post by dlw66 on May 25, 2007 13:24:09 GMT -5
Oh, man, I was laughing out loud!!
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Post by Tana Nile on May 25, 2007 14:43:43 GMT -5
Oh man, I love Superdickery. I just wish the guy was still updating it weekly, instead of monthly or less. Where else can you find such gems as Batman telling a lady "Be quiet or Papa spank!" ??
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Post by Doctor Doom on May 25, 2007 14:53:26 GMT -5
My personal favourite superdickery is still probably "Lois! You're dressed as Batwoman... DOES THIS MEAN YOU LOVE BATMAN AND INTEND TO MARRY HIM!! ?" I'm not sure what's funnier, that he actually says that or that she replies YES! Wait, scratch that. The very very best one is the one where Superboy uses his future predicting telescope to tell Bruce Wayne that they will fight crime together some day. It's the best because of the "Three better uses for future predicting telescope" underneath: (I) Prevent Wars (II) Prevent Natural Disasters (III) Tell Bruce Wayne that his PARENTS WILL BE GUNNED DOWN BEFORE HIS VERY EYES, YOU DICK! It's even better becayse in another Bruce Wayne blames Supes for his parents death and underneath it says "...If only Superman had had some kind of FUTURE PREDICTING TELESCOPE..."
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Post by Tana Nile on May 25, 2007 19:51:23 GMT -5
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Post by Nutcase65 on May 26, 2007 6:33:19 GMT -5
thanks a lot Tana That link is burned into my brain now. I'm gonna have to find a link for you to nekkidstartrek.com
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Post by Alchemist-X on May 27, 2007 20:37:27 GMT -5
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