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Post by redstatecap on Jan 11, 2007 13:09:17 GMT -5
I would like to throw out an option for posters to consider.
On questions 1, 7, 9, and 10 I nominated "none of the above."
This is a protest vote, if you will, about the state of the Avengers family of titles at the moment.
On each of these questions, I do not feel that I can honestly say there was a "best" in the last year -- only a "least worst."
If you don't think Marvel's product is up to snuff, vote for "none of the above."
RSC
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Post by dlw66 on Jan 11, 2007 14:29:30 GMT -5
RSC --
I would respectfully disagree. I didn't use any references from books I didn't at least in some way enjoy. Even the NA annual that I cited, while I was indifferent to the story overall, had a great, memorable panel. As to The Ultimates, EMH II, and even to a much lesser extent Marvel Adventures Avengers -- this is where the Avengers live nowadays. Is it the quality we were used to in the 1960's-1980's, and then the first chunk of vol. III? No. But I can't say that the works I cited are without merit.
As for question #10, I cited a DC book.
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Post by redstatecap on Jan 11, 2007 16:00:00 GMT -5
Of course you should nominate who/what you believe is deserving. I'm not saying you're wrong.
In my case, the only books I was regularly reading/Byrne-stealing over the last year were New Avengers and Captain America, and events of the last year have caused me to drop both.
I gave Ms. Marvel a shot and found it sadly lacking.
Civil War -- an Avengers-focussed crossover -- has essentially made me not want to pick up a Marvel comic again, at least for a long time.
I don't read other books that could be considered "Avengers family" titles. If my tastes were broader, then I might have a more positive outlook on what Marvel is doing, but in my little corner of the MU I'm really not happy with the way things are going. Thus the protest vote.
RSC
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Post by dlw66 on Jan 11, 2007 16:32:45 GMT -5
Fair enough, and I would agree with your "little corner" -- I live in one about the same size with only around 5-6 purchased a month.
In regard to your idea of a protest vote: I was reading some stories the other day about the possibility of either Cal Ripken or Tony Gwynn being elected unanimously to the baseball Hall of Fame. Some scribe was wondering if either would surpass the 98.7% approval that Tom Seaver was elected by. The reason Seaver was not a unanimous choice was because some small number (out of all the ballots cast) of ballots were turned in blank in protest of Pete Rose being banned that year from ever being elected to the Hall. Interesting...
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Post by sharkar on Jan 11, 2007 16:47:40 GMT -5
In regard to your idea of a protest vote: I was reading some stories the other day about the possibility of either Cal Ripken or Tony Gwynn being elected unanimously to the baseball Hall of Fame. Some scribe was wondering if either would surpass the 98.7% approval that Tom Seaver was elected by. The reason Seaver was not a unanimous choice was because some small number (out of all the ballots cast) of ballots were turned in blank in protest of Pete Rose being banned that year from ever being elected to the Hall. Interesting... I just read that too! (On the Sportsline website...I believe it was part of an AP story explaining why McGwire will probably not make it to the Hall of Fame). All of us die-hard Mets fans hold Tom Terrific in the highest regard...always wondered why he wasn't a unanimous pick for the HoF. |
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Post by dlw66 on Jan 11, 2007 16:50:23 GMT -5
He did a great job when he was with the White Sox as well...
And yes, I did see that story on cbs.sportsline.com!!!
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Post by sharkar on Jan 11, 2007 17:16:53 GMT -5
He did a great job when he was with the White Sox as well... Oh yeah...I forgot about that. We don't like to be reminded that we let him go...  |
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Post by Bored Yesterday on Jan 12, 2007 10:12:54 GMT -5
As far as protest votes go -- I think people reading the current line of comics really ought to vote for the best that's available. It may not compete with some of the best material ever published, but it ought to be possible to find something worth recognizing as better than the rest. The standard is relative -- best of a certain year, not best ever.
You know, easy for me to say, since I don't read anything new off the rack right now, and so I'm not voting for most categories.
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Post by johnnyzemo on Jan 12, 2007 14:00:48 GMT -5
As far as protest votes go -- I think people reading the current line of comics really ought to vote for the best that's available. I agree. We're voting on the best of what was published in 2006, not debating whether or not the stuff published in 2006 is as good as the stuff from 1986 or 1976 or 1966. I am not crazy about the current state of the Avengers, but I love what Ed Brubaker is doing in Captain America and what Dan Slott has done with She-Hulk and what Fabian Nicieza did in Thunderbolts. So, I think there's stuff out there worthy of recognition. |
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Post by johnnyzemo on Jan 12, 2007 16:55:49 GMT -5
Don't forget that nominations are due by midnight Sunday!
Send them to me at "johnnyzemo [at] yahoo.com"!
I will post the final ballot on Monday.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Jan 13, 2007 11:15:38 GMT -5
Also, BMB is not an “Avengers villain” in the diogetic sense in which I interpret the term, For those of you who are consulting your dictionaries to translate N.P.'s comment, allow me to help with this tidbit I borrowed from dictionary.com: "Diegetic" typically refers to the internal world created by the story that the characters themselves experience and encounter....It certainly would have helped the translations if I had typed in the correct spelling…!  Well, I’m not one of the “rest of you”, but I’ll say something anyway. ;D It seems to me that if we allow Bendis to qualify for the Villain category, we might as well tit for tat let someone like Captain America qualify for the Artist category, since Steve Rogers is an artist within his diegesis. But if we do such things, then in my opinion the awards become less meaningful. |
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Post by thew40 on Jan 14, 2007 1:15:12 GMT -5
I don't think Bendis should be included, but that's not because I'm a fan of his.
I think by breaking the fourth wall like that, we might as well include Ed Brubaker, Fabian I'mgoingtospellhisnamewrongsoIwon'tevenwriteit, and Joe Casey in the "Favorite Hero" category.
I really feel that unless we're going to be including Bendis as a villians, we should also consider the other creators as well. I don't feel it's fair to single him out.
~W~
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Post by The Night Phantom on Jan 14, 2007 12:59:04 GMT -5
I think by breaking the fourth wall like that, we might as well include Ed Brubaker, Fabian I'mgoingtospellhisnamewrongsoIwon'tevenwriteit, and Joe Casey in the "Favorite Hero" category. There’s no “Favorite Hero”; you’re probably thinking of “Best Active Avenger”. But perhaps Brubaker, Nicieza, or Casey has been doing a great job of actively avenging someone or something (like good writing skills). I’ve sent in my nominations, and I didn’t engage in any of these metareferential mélanges.  |
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Post by The Night Phantom on Jan 14, 2007 14:16:03 GMT -5
By the way, my nominee for the One Comic Book Everyone Should Be Reading is Mouse Guard; as I mentioned in another thread yesterday, “it seems to have something for everyone (drama! mystery! suspense! swordfights! cute little mice!)”. For what it’s worth, Newsarama has posted an article/press release reporting that Mouse Guard has already won some “best of” awards for 2006. |
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Post by thew40 on Jan 14, 2007 21:18:08 GMT -5
By the way, my nominee for the One Comic Book Everyone Should Be Reading is Mouse Guard; as I mentioned in another thread yesterday, “it seems to have something for everyone (drama! mystery! suspense! swordfights! cute little mice!)”. For what it’s worth, Newsarama has posted an article/press release reporting that Mouse Guard has already won some “best of” awards for 2006. I've heard some good press about this. My fiancee has one issue. I'd like to check it out eventually. ~W~ |
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Post by johnnyzemo on Jan 15, 2007 16:35:39 GMT -5
I've posted the final ballot. You have until midnight on the 21st to vote.
Thanks to everyone who participated in the nominations! In most categories, a candidate needed to be nominated by at least to people to make the final ballot. In most cases that resulted in four or five candidates making the final ballot, which is what I was hoping for.
However, there were three categories where there was no consensus, so there are a ton of nominees there--Greatest Moment, Best Panel, and the Book Everyone Should Be Reading.
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