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Post by Doctor Doom on Jul 25, 2007 17:13:49 GMT -5
...Y'know quite honestly I'm getting sick of doing these Doom's Decompressions, if anyone actually cares I'll resume them but it's not like anyone reads them anyway The View of Doom: Good issue. The pace is still very slow, but it continues a pretty good storyline which certainly trumps all of NA to date. Ultron is a menace again. I just question why they made her female to do so. Yes, Ultron comes across as a colossal threat to the Earth, moreso than, say "The Ultron Imperative" or a good lot of the bad Ultron stories out there. But certainly not more than Ultron Unlimited etc. The character has certainly changed though, THIS Ultron module loves humanity as opposes to hating them. It's the opposite of Ultron's usual MO and acutally succeeds in being rather chilling. The speech delivered at the start is excellently written,. Bendis writes a rubbish Hank Pym. It's clear he hates the character and takes every oppurtunity to remind us of that, which I hate. There's some VERY cool battle sequences as well with the Iron Man warriors, and Ares comes across as quite the warrior, as he should be, if not exactly justifying his presence on theteam. The arc is good, it just feels like it should be 3 (or even half of 3) and 2 and 3 could easily have been compressed into a single issue. The art is also beatufiul as ever, though the delays more than irk me. On the downside, Sentry's wife's death might have been more of a surprise if the solicit for issue 4 did not blatantly state it. I hope it has a purpose if nothing else. Doom Decrees That THis Issue Shalt Be Given... Eight Gold Dooms Out Of Ten
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Post by uberwolf on Jul 25, 2007 21:59:56 GMT -5
I read them. How can you gripe so much about an issue and still give it 8 Dooms?
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Post by Doctor Doom on Jul 26, 2007 5:41:09 GMT -5
YAY! SOMEONE READ THEM! Ahem. I didn't gripe THAT much really. The decompression thing was a comment on the series but not this issue, this issue more happens than the previous two combined. If still less than some series. So there was no reason to deduct that for this issue. It was a great issue, but I deducted a Doom for a rubbish Yellowjacket and another for a combination of Sentry's wide being spoiled and not-enjoying-the-issue-up-to-eight-and-a-half-gold-doom standard. The Great Doom Grading System.
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Post by balok on Jul 26, 2007 8:10:38 GMT -5
I read them. How can you gripe so much about an issue and still give it 8 Dooms? I asked this once and the Doc replied that he doesn't buy books he doesn't like - which probably rules out anything under seven Dooms. Therefore, it's really a four point scale: seven, eight, nine, or ten, with halftones... P.S. I read them. I don't often agree with them, but I read them. In this case I agree that MA beats anything Bendis has done in NA so far, but the glacial storytelling pace of these first three issues makes Meltzer over on Justice League look speedy. The first story arc really has to grab me, and this one didn't. I dropped the book. I hear rumors that Bendis will be at Marvel "through the next decade" which I guess means at least three more years. Between him on this and JMS on Thor, and Brubaker on Cap, I wonder if anyone knows how to write a snappy, one or two issue tale any more?
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Post by Doctor Doom on Jul 26, 2007 13:00:34 GMT -5
Well, ignoring the fact that Brubaker has actually written several "one-off" or even "2 or 3 part" arcs, the really really sad thing is that this lone issue of Mighty Avengers contains more action than 5 of Meltzer's JLA issues. Though sometimes I had to check it wasn't Meltzer writing 2 or 3. But I've given less than 8s, sometimes. The problem is right now, I'm reasonably happy sometimes. I'm happy enough with Bendis on Mighty, love Brubaker on Cap, like the Knaufs on IM, am a fan of McDuffie and JMS on their books, etc, etc, so you will of course see more positive reviews. The only times I have to give negatives are when I get creative teams I hate on books I absolutely will not drop no matter how bad they get- ironically enough, that's Cap, Avengers, FF and Amazing Spider-Man.
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Post by bendisbites on Jul 26, 2007 23:06:46 GMT -5
I looked at this book. Girltron didn't do all that much, did she? Oh I guess there are some threatening overtones, but she just wasn't much of a scary threat and the visuals concerning the villain were kinda boring. The Iron Man suits were scarier but it seemed like a rip off of the Busiek Perez story where the Ultron bodies attacked the Avengers. Just didn't seem to have much bang for the buck. And yeah, Bendis HATES Hank Pym. He freaking hates him. No one minds Ares, but everyone is giving Hank Pym grief. Silly freaking bad writing...
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Post by Doctor Doom on Jul 27, 2007 11:47:05 GMT -5
To each his own, I guess. What I'm loving is that it really does feel this arc could have taken place in the old Avengers pre-Disassembled, obviously with some changes to the details but overall, except the slightly slower pace, it does seem to have that classic feel.
But seriously, this makes HOW MANY times Bendis has dissed Pym now? In just this issue we have:
-Ms Marvel thinking **** you to him. -Ms Marvel thinking that if he can't stop Ultron, he should kill himself. -Wasp being sceptical that Hank didn't make Ultron look like her. -Pym being outwitted by a robot -Hank mentioning how he's an expert causing Wasp to lecture him on how he's bragging about how smart he is while the world is in danger from his creation.
Seriously, it seems no-one has even CONSIDERED asking this founding member to join the Mighty Avengers!
On a totally unrelated note, is anyone else HATING the hell out of these "Hunger gets what Hunger wants" adds? I've seen dozens of them, there seems to be at least one in every comic, I don't know what the hell they're for and I've picked upat least 4 DC comics which have had 8-page adds for them. It's INCREDIBLY annoying!
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Post by redstatecap on Jul 27, 2007 12:17:20 GMT -5
I'm probably not going to bother browsing the issue, so I just read the synopsis elsewhere. In the first issue of this series I was asking myself: "Is it really possible for Bendis to f*** up the Avengers with this roster?" With this issue I have my answer -- yes, it really is possible for Bendis to f*** up the Avengers with this roster. Weather control??? Really? How many times has the "fight Iron Man's obsolete armors" gimmick popped up? Dozens? Is Bendis lifting page from Chuck Austen's playbook in his portrayal of Hank Pym? Ultron needed to made into a busty metal chick for this?
RSC
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Post by balok on Jul 27, 2007 16:57:50 GMT -5
On a totally unrelated note, is anyone else HATING the hell out of these "Hunger gets what Hunger wants" adds? I've seen dozens of them, there seems to be at least one in every comic, I don't know what the hell they're for and I've picked upat least 4 DC comics which have had 8-page adds for them. It's INCREDIBLY annoying! Deeply, deeply annoying ads. They make me want to boycott whatever the hell brand of hot dogs they're advertising (Ballpark?)
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Post by Doctor Doom on Jul 27, 2007 17:09:48 GMT -5
I'm probably not going to bother browsing the issue, so I just read the synopsis elsewhere. In the first issue of this series I was asking myself: "Is it really possible for Bendis to f*** up the Avengers with this roster?" With this issue I have my answer -- yes, it really is possible for Bendis to f*** up the Avengers with this roster. Weather control??? Really? How many times has the "fight Iron Man's obsolete armors" gimmick popped up? Dozens? Er... you DO know that's kinda the point, right? That's actually a specific plot point in this issue- thay both weather control and Iron Man's old armours have been seen lots of times before. That's a plot point. You mean being hideously miswritten? No, I honestly think Austen thought he knew what he was doing. I'd say Bendis is lifting a page from Morrison's playbook in how Morrison treated Magneto: IE, he's viciously miswriting a character simply to abuse them because he doesn't like them. I'm pretty sure there's an actual reason (although if nothing else, being based on Jan was nice) yet to be revealed. If there was none, I'll totally agree with you on this one. Why Balok, what on Earth do you mean? Surely you'd need to actually read comics to see these ads? But- and this is something I get to say oh so rarely to you- I totally agree!
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Post by redstatecap on Jul 27, 2007 23:32:47 GMT -5
Er... you DO know that's kinda the point, right? That's actually a specific plot point in this issue- thay both weather control and Iron Man's old armours have been seen lots of times before. That's a plot point. It seems you are saying that self-referential cuteness was the overall point of this arc. An Ultron arc just to put tongue in cheek and say "Wink wink, nudge nudge, weather control! Funny stuff!" Is that really the point? Austen had an idea what he wanted to do and why, but it doesn't mean it was necessarily a good idea. Bendis himself might have some ideas about that Pym he considers valid in his own mind. Or maybe he's just writing off the cuff as he usually does. Who knows. Even if Bendis "reveals" that there is a reason, I'd probably call b*llsh*t on it. After all, Bendis in the past has shown an unusual proclivity for gender-bending for no apparent reason. RSC
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Post by Doctor Doom on Jul 28, 2007 13:00:01 GMT -5
It seems you are saying that self-referential cuteness was the overall point of this arc. An Ultron arc just to put tongue in cheek and say "Wink wink, nudge nudge, weather control! Funny stuff!" Is that really the point? No, I'm not. I'm saying that the fact that they have already done proves a plot point since they realise that this Ultron has no originality or imagination and can only copy others. There's a purpose. Gotcha now. To be honest, I'd say this was more Cho than Bendis. But what other "gender bending" do you mean? The Ronin suit? That had a reason. A very very bad reason, but a reason.
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Post by von Bek on Jul 28, 2007 13:27:26 GMT -5
I'm saying that the fact that they have already done proves a plot point since they realise that this Ultron has no originality or imagination and can only copy others. There's a purpose. Funny, I could say the same thing about BENDIS!, he has no originality or imagination and can only copy others. So BENDIS! and Girltron have more things in common, besides trying to destroy the Avengers. I don´t know whose idea that scene with nekkid Girltron and Sentry´s wife in bed was, BENDIS! or Cho, but whoever it was they were aiming for the fanboys´ basest of instincts there...
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Post by Doctor Doom on Jul 28, 2007 14:11:53 GMT -5
Funny, I could say the same thing about BENDIS!, he has no originality or imagination and can only copy others. So BENDIS! and Girltron have more things in common, besides trying to destroy the Avengers. I don't see how you have any point here besides trying to make a clever insult about Bendis. (Emphasis on trying). There are basically no "totally new" ideas in comics these days. The fact remains that the Skrull plot has never been done in the MU on this scale. There hasn't been a giant conspioracy reaching through Avengers like this on this scale before. Etc, etc, etc. So which is it- is he coming up with new ideas which are bad or is he copying others? And hang on, I thought you guys said he hadn't READ the classics so how can he be copying them with no imagination or originlaity? And it's funny how "destroying the Avengers" translates to "making the Avengers the number one monthly book for the first time in decades". Funny indeed.
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Post by redstatecap on Jul 28, 2007 20:46:46 GMT -5
No, I'm not. I'm saying that the fact that they have already done proves a plot point since they realise that this Ultron has no originality or imagination and can only copy others. There's a purpose. This will obviously boil down to Bendis fans vs. Bendis detractors as to whether it's believable. As a Bendis detractor, my first thought is that Bendis is just using the plot point that "Ultron has no imagination" to cover for the fact that he himself is short of ideas. Can't figure something out -- blame it on the character. It's an easy way out of writing a fresh Ultron story. Sorry, but a reason that bad equates to no reason with me. There's also the cover preview of the female Daredevil. I swear there's also another example that's escaping me right now. Ah yes! The White Tiger. Any more? This is a suspiciously similar rehash of "The Ultimates" vol 1. Another extremely similar story was the Dire Wraith invasion which the Avengers had to deal with. I'm sure fans who read more of Marvel outside the Avengers could list another dozen. It doesn't matter that the Skrulls themselves haven't done it -- they are simply being plugged into the same plot. And about "the big conspiracy" on the Avengers -- muddled and confusing doesn't equal sophisticated. There are so many dropped plot threads thus far it isn't even funny. Should we think that Jessica Drew is still beholden to HYDRA? Is that plot resolved? Who knows? I will continue to believe that this Skrull thing is going to be a vehicle to tidy up a bunch of crap and tie together threads that were dropped, and which originally had nothing to do with the Skrulls. Actually what has been said about Bendis is that he hasn't read the classic issues thoroughly. Case in point AD, where he had to have read WCA's "Darker than Scarlet," but obviously failed to read further issues which would have informed him that his entire premise for AD was bogus. Funny? Or sad? RSC
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Post by bendisbites on Jul 28, 2007 22:59:42 GMT -5
Made Avengers #1? In this market, not much of an accomplishment... And so what that it is number one? He had to take the X-Men's number one draw to do it, as well as Spider Man. Christopher Priest had a top selling book when he had Spider Man vs wolverine and Owsley/Priest normally couldn't get crackheads to Cocaine Mountain, let alone sell a ton of books, so what does that tell ya? Also by this standard, Tim Allen's Shaggy Dog movie is the best because they took the premise and made more money than the original did. Never mind that it's a terrible movie, one that makes a brain commit seppuku rather than watch another frame--it made money!! And Girltron is based on Hank Pym's brain patterns, so does that mean Hank is secretly desiring to become a transgender? Well I guess that'll give all the characters more fodder to rip into poor Hank--however the character will finally be safe because marvel wouldn't kill their most prominent transsexual character! Although his new costume will probably be one of Jan's old ones...
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Post by Alchemist-X on Jul 29, 2007 0:04:36 GMT -5
Made Avengers #1? In this market, not much of an accomplishment... You can't prove or disprove that he wouldn't have sold number one in a different era/market, that would all be hypothetical speculation. So the only market we can gauge him in is the one he's in. Trying to detract from that by comparing cross era, is like denying olympic medals to anyone who doesn't break the previous olympic record.
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Post by bendisbites on Jul 29, 2007 1:26:00 GMT -5
Made Avengers #1? In this market, not much of an accomplishment... You can't prove or disprove that he wouldn't have sold number one in a different era/market, that would all be hypothetical speculation. So the only market we can gauge him in is the one he's in. Trying to detract from that by comparing cross era, is like denying olympic medals to anyone who doesn't break the previous olympic record. Well if you take TV as a comparison, they do the same exact thing. There are still hundreds of millions of people with TVs, yet by "narrowcasting" networks don't chase huge numbers, they chase demographics. That's what Marvel does, and that's provable by the fact that some books are geared towards age groups and have ratings to prove it. So marvel has given up on getting the widest possible audience because they purposely exclude some readers. And that's word yo. So I got every right to say marvel ain't going after a big enough audience, because... wait for it... My nine year old nephew can't buy a number of their books. And he loves superheroes. The truth. It never goes out of style...
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Post by Alchemist-X on Jul 29, 2007 14:03:07 GMT -5
Your an idiot
Marvel Adventures? Marvel makes exactly what you complain they don't have, you even alluded to it in your post.
That argument also doesn't make sense considering what I said, because it has nothing to do with the fairness of comparing across different time periods. Your just once again trying to detract from acomplishments made today be saying the market is 'weak' or divided.
AND If every(or even half) of Marvel's books were written for 9 year olds, they wouldn't sell any. \\
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Post by bendisbites on Jul 29, 2007 16:39:43 GMT -5
Your an idiot Marvel Adventures? Marvel makes exactly what you complain they don't have, you even alluded to it in your post. That argument also doesn't make sense considering what I said, because it has nothing to do with the fairness of comparing across different time periods. Your just once again trying to detract from acomplishments made today be saying the market is 'weak' or divided. AND If every(or even half) of Marvel's books were written for 9 year olds, they wouldn't sell any. \\ I'm almost too busy laughing at the irony of "your an idiot" to respond. I don't like to make fun of someone's errors, but geez if you're gonna call me out for stupidity, the least you can do is a grammar and usage check. First off, New Avengers is rated T+, which means if I were ten, eleven or twelve I couldn't buy it. I bought stuff like Dazzler and Secret Wars when I was a young'un and if I were a young'un now, I couldn't buy New Avengers. Marvel used to broadcast, that is throw a wide net, to grab as many readers as possible. Now they don't. And they don't get as many readers. And Marvel Adventures is specifically geared towards young readers. Again that's narrowcasting. Few books cross the spectrum for both adults and young readers. These are both factors that limit potential audience. And still true. Now go get a Chicago Manual of Style.
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Post by Alchemist-X on Jul 29, 2007 16:58:48 GMT -5
Your an idiot Marvel Adventures? Marvel makes exactly what you complain they don't have, you even alluded to it in your post. That argument also doesn't make sense considering what I said, because it has nothing to do with the fairness of comparing across different time periods. Your just once again trying to detract from acomplishments made today be saying the market is 'weak' or divided. AND If every(or even half) of Marvel's books were written for 9 year olds, they wouldn't sell any. \\ I'm almost too busy laughing at the irony of "your an idiot" to respond. I don't like to make fun of someone's errors, but geez if you're gonna call me out for stupidity, the least you can do is a grammar and usage check. First off, New Avengers is rated T+, which means if I were ten, eleven or twelve I couldn't buy it. I bought stuff like Dazzler and Secret Wars when I was a young'un and if I were a young'un now, I couldn't buy New Avengers. Marvel used to broadcast, that is throw a wide net, to grab as many readers as possible. Now they don't. And they don't get as many readers. And Marvel Adventures is specifically geared towards young readers. Again that's narrowcasting. Few books cross the spectrum for both adults and young readers. These are both factors that limit potential audience. And still true. Now go get a Chicago Manual of Style. So by making everything geared towards 10 year olds they're casting a wider net? By having a more teenage aim, THEY ARE casting a wider net. Most people stop being comic readers because they grow out of kid stuff like that, the new aim is to keep them well into their teens. And Grammar? Spelling? In your post you use incorrect grammar too. Ever hear of sentence fragments? Or maybe the use of modifiers. Not to mention several of the 'words' you use don't qualify as anything but internet slang. This is an internet message board not a business document. If you really care that much maybe we should only reply in essay format from now on.
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Post by bendisbites on Jul 29, 2007 19:34:02 GMT -5
I'm almost too busy laughing at the irony of "your an idiot" to respond. I don't like to make fun of someone's errors, but geez if you're gonna call me out for stupidity, the least you can do is a grammar and usage check. First off, New Avengers is rated T+, which means if I were ten, eleven or twelve I couldn't buy it. I bought stuff like Dazzler and Secret Wars when I was a young'un and if I were a young'un now, I couldn't buy New Avengers. Marvel used to broadcast, that is throw a wide net, to grab as many readers as possible. Now they don't. And they don't get as many readers. And Marvel Adventures is specifically geared towards young readers. Again that's narrowcasting. Few books cross the spectrum for both adults and young readers. These are both factors that limit potential audience. And still true. Now go get a Chicago Manual of Style. So by making everything geared towards 10 year olds they're casting a wider net? By having a more teenage aim, THEY ARE casting a wider net. Most people stop being comic readers because they grow out of kid stuff like that, the new aim is to keep them well into their teens. And Grammar? Spelling? In your post you use incorrect grammar too. Ever hear of sentence fragments? Or maybe the use of modifiers. Not to mention several of the 'words' you use don't qualify as anything but internet slang. This is an internet message board not a business document. If you really care that much maybe we should only reply in essay format from now on. First off, you're the one who tried to call me an idiot and the grammar was incorrect. I found that funny. Again, you obviously don't see the irony. I'm not the language cop, and was not trying to be. However if you are going to call someone an idiot you shouldn't make an idiotic mistake when doing so, because it kind of kills your point. Second you are wholly and totally not getting my point which hardly surprises me. The books marvel put out for decades were ALL AGES. My brother and I were reading the same comics, even though he was several years older than me. Now Marvel cuts across several demographics with their books and targets teens and adults, young kids, etc. So they can't have books that sell as well because you can't reach as large an audience because you've restricted some books as being only for one group. It's why American Idol can reach 50 million viewers, and other successful shows like 24 can only get 15 million viewers, because it's skewed towards a singular group by content and subject matter. One show is available for every possible viewer, the other isn't. Fox could shoot 24 so that it was available for all audiences like westerns, spy dramas and cop shows were twenty years ago, but they decided not to. And Marvel too has decided that they need to target an audience based on their content. Now if that's still not clear I'm gonna have to resort to visual aids. Don't make me resort to visual aids.
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Post by Alchemist-X on Jul 29, 2007 23:58:37 GMT -5
You don't get it do you?
(Numbers made up for the sake of showing you)
If An all ages Spider-man sells x-number of copies back in the day, thats what Spider-man is selling.
NOW Spider-man Sells y-number of copies, plus the Marvel Adventures All Ages Spider-man sells z-number of copies, and Marvel Max(Doesn't have a Spidey title, but this is for the sake of showing what range can exist) sells u-number of copies.
So sure, one Spidey title could sell less, but the Franchise as a whole is reaching more people in a wider age demographic. It doesn't work that way for everyhting, but that Idea applies to Marvel as a whole I think. And since Marvel doesn't make up the whole comic book industry, thats just how they decided to split up their franchise. The fact that they still sell better numbers than the competition when they segment their audiences should be a point for them, not against them.
Second point If your going to call me out for bad grammar, you could take the advice you outline in that very post, and preform spell/grammar check. And yes I can appreciate the irony, the very sentence I used to denounce your intelligence, I myself commited a gramatical error. I'm even such a good sport about it I haven't gone back and changed my original post or anything so people can see all mistakes as is. Can you appreciate the irony of you telling me I should check all posts for grammar etc when calling someone out for something, and yet, you call me out for grammar, and don't follow your own advice.
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Post by redstatecap on Jul 30, 2007 0:31:20 GMT -5
I certainly can appreciate that irony. Your friendly neighborhood spell-checker, RSC
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Post by bendisbites on Jul 30, 2007 0:35:07 GMT -5
wow those are some mighty compelling numbers you post... actually there are no numbers at all, just letters. my take is if an all ages spidey was selling 400 thousand copies at one point, and now amazing, ultimate and spectacular sell somewhere a hundred thousand each, I don't get how that's an improvement, especially since you're now paying three creative teams instead of one. that seems like you're losing because your paying ten or fifteen more people and selling less, which isn't a good way to make money. and one of the titles is likely a teens+ book, so there may some great storylines that younger readers can't read and get hooked on, so you're still narrowcasting. Secret Wars#1 for example, was a book meant to saturate the market and give widespread consumption and it did just that. And all ages could buy it and enjoy it. That's something that Marvel doesn't do with their current crossovers and their regular books and target segments, and to me it's been a success of diminishing returns, and I don't know why that's the company policy.
but I guess you'll show me with some letters...
and pally I keep saying (and in fact made this point in my very first post, in response to your name calling by the way-no need for that sort of thing), that I don't normally bother with grammatical errors- yours was simply egregious given the context--it's like a "stay in school" poster spelled "stay in skool." You made it stand out like it was neon. I just pointed it out. And then made a joke about the Chicago Manual of Style. It was spelled right so my joke worked, I think. It's obvious it got under your skin that I didn't name call you back and slink to your level and instead found a funnier way to retaliate. And you could change it, but my original post will just have it, so you're not being a good sport because people would see you edited your post and see my reply anyway. To correct it now would just seem silly. Just don't get all angry like that dude who tracked down the guy over the net and burned his trailer down, because you seem a little touchy. Please smite me, smack that negative point on the keyboard with all the anger you can muster. Feel better now?
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Post by Alchemist-X on Jul 30, 2007 3:03:31 GMT -5
You didn't mention your poster child for what MU should be, Marvel Adventures, geared towards kids, sells oh so little. What is there to justify making more things of that nature? It sounds all well and good to say if they make comics for everyone, then everyone can buy them, but that doesn't translate into everyone will buy them.
For example if NA suddenly went all 'kiddy' your Newphew might start buying it, but I would definately stop.
And These Great storylines in teen books that younger readers can't get hooked on, couldn't all exist in the kiddy world could they? Or if they did they certainly wouldn't be the same, and that would defeat the point.
And on the issue of you being an idiot
All you want is a Marvel that tailors specifically to your needs (really everyone does), this is fine, but don't go tell me that by not listening to you Marvel is somehow loosing out on some vast untapped Market and that they should adopt a policy to mimic success the way American Idol did. American Idol?
Marvel's marketing department has access to more demographical information than either of us could hope to cite, so if it was really as simple as you would have me believe, how could they not see this? Or is it more likely there are other factors that contribute to the decision, like say, the poor sales of most kid oriented titles they have?
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Post by Alchemist-X on Jul 30, 2007 3:06:41 GMT -5
I certainly can appreciate that irony. Your friendly neighborhood spell-checker, RSC For the record, I'll never spell check anything I post on an internet message board, I like the incorrect grammar, butchered spelling and mis-use of punctuation that is the internet, and I just love to contribute to it.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Jul 30, 2007 5:52:48 GMT -5
With that name change, you get an exalt. For pure. Untempered. Nerve.
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Post by bendisbites on Jul 30, 2007 9:30:03 GMT -5
You didn't mention your poster child for what MU should be, Marvel Adventures, geared towards kids, sells oh so little. What is there to justify making more things of that nature? It sounds all well and good to say if they make comics for everyone, then everyone can buy them, but that doesn't translate into everyone will buy them. For example if NA suddenly went all 'kiddy' your Newphew might start buying it, but I would definately stop. And These Great storylines in teen books that younger readers can't get hooked on, couldn't all exist in the kiddy world could they? Or if they did they certainly wouldn't be the same, and that would defeat the point. And on the issue of you being an idiot All you want is a Marvel that tailors specifically to your needs (really everyone does), this is fine, but don't go tell me that by not listening to you Marvel is somehow loosing out on some vast untapped Market and that they should adopt a policy to mimic success the way American Idol did. American Idol? Marvel's marketing department has access to more demographical information than either of us could hope to cite, so if it was really as simple as you would have me believe, how could they not see this? Or is it more likely there are other factors that contribute to the decision, like say, the poor sales of most kid oriented titles they have? Taps the microphone, one two three times. "Is this thing on?" Audience murmurs in assension. "Oh okay, because I keep saying that marvel Adventures isn't right either because it narrowcasts and targets only very young readers without doing any of the hallmarks of marvel comics like extended storylines and isn't a part of the regular universe, but Alchemist isn't hearing me. But it's his own shortsightedness that makes that the case. Okay, thanks folks. You're a great audience, enjoy the shrimp cocktail while the band warms up." oh and like Columbo, I have one more thing-if Marvel has access to all this info why do they put out so many books that don't sell? Either demographic info means very little or they ignore it when they put much of their titles together anyway. And Marvel would love, LOVE, to have the success of American Idol. And in comparison I prefer it to 99% of what marvel's putting out.
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Post by von Bek on Jul 30, 2007 10:38:45 GMT -5
I don't see how you have any point here besides trying to make a clever insult about Bendis. (Emphasis on trying). Ultron had had originality and imagination in the past, under many writers. Now under BENDIS! he didn´t have anymore. So maybe BENDIS!´s the one without good ideas trying (emphasis on trying) to turn it into a plot point? Clear for ya now? The fact remains that the Skrull plot has never been done in the MU on this scale. There hasn't been a giant conspioracy reaching through Avengers like this on this scale before. Etc, etc, etc. Yes it has. Kree-Skrull War... And it's funny how "destroying the Avengers" translates to "making the Avengers the number one monthly book for the first time in decades". Funny indeed. Three words for ya: Wolverine, Spiderman and hype.
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