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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 16, 2007 16:28:06 GMT -5
I just wanna get an idea how many of us are going to continue following this series
I'm a yes
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Post by Tone-Loc on Apr 16, 2007 18:01:48 GMT -5
I have pledged to give it a shot for at least 6 issues. #1 was good enough to make me keep that pledge.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Apr 16, 2007 18:35:46 GMT -5
I just wanna get an idea how many of us are going to continue following this series I answered no; but to be fair, I never started following it.
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Post by balok on Apr 16, 2007 19:19:04 GMT -5
No. The first issue was better than I expected it to be, but, then, the first issues of New Avengers were okay, too. I expect that this book will remain readable for a half dozen issues or so and then go into the usual Bendis team book tailspin. I already rode one book in, I see no reason to ride in another.
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Post by Alchemist-X on Apr 16, 2007 20:45:29 GMT -5
I'll keep getting it, it seems like it could be going somewhere so I'll ride it out for now.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 17, 2007 11:33:05 GMT -5
Absolutely, issue 1 was pretty good!
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Post by dlw66 on Apr 17, 2007 11:57:54 GMT -5
No. But I didn't buy #1, either.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 17, 2007 14:26:42 GMT -5
this one is pretty much neck and neck, although it looks like the minor majority is still willing to give them a chance.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Apr 17, 2007 21:54:36 GMT -5
I already rode one book in “…and the book you rode in on!” ;D
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 18, 2007 11:33:51 GMT -5
I wonder if it would reflect how many tried issue one... Balok is the only one who tried 1 and dropped the title despite not even disliking it that much, right?
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Post by fatbob on Apr 18, 2007 11:46:07 GMT -5
Yes, I'll be giving this a try. MA at least has some "classic" Avengers as part of the team (and Ares, grrr) and even though I'm not a fan of Mr Cho's "enhanced" women, his artwork is infinitely preferable to the dreadful scratching that passes for art by Yu in NA.
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Post by Black Knight on Apr 18, 2007 15:17:26 GMT -5
Well I am giving it a try, through the first arc... (hmm maybe that is why I am still getting NA, the first arc never finished.) LOL
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Post by balok on Apr 18, 2007 15:19:17 GMT -5
fatbob, unless things have changed, Cho will be leaving the book following the first arc (Ultron, now with boobs).
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 18, 2007 15:24:16 GMT -5
He's back after the VenomDoom arc though.
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Post by Black Knight on Apr 18, 2007 15:38:23 GMT -5
fatbob, unless things have changed, Cho will be leaving the book following the first arc (Ultron, now with boobs). So is tony now a female ultron.. Was he in the armour? Really wondering on that.
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Post by balok on Apr 18, 2007 15:44:13 GMT -5
My guess is not. I can't see how anyone could survive that, unless extremis basically turned Tony into a nanomachine colony that happens to resemble a man.
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Post by Tone-Loc on Apr 18, 2007 20:18:47 GMT -5
fatbob, unless things have changed, Cho will be leaving the book following the first arc (Ultron, now with boobs). So is tony now a female ultron.. Was he in the armour? Really wondering on that. Still no answers to that in #2, I am afraid. I'll post a review in a few days, after I read it over a couple of more times, and more people have a chance to read it.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 18, 2007 20:40:38 GMT -5
well, there is a first for everything.
This is another. I'm dropping this title as of now. I'll let others post a review. I have a huge problem with one aspect of Marvel. Why is it necessary to have nudity in a comic book? I'm no prude, but I wish I could let my kids read the comic books, but I can't. I have no problem letting them look at the comics on my dvd up to a recent point, but definitely not now. It's like they go out of their way to show things that aren't needed in the story. I don't care if it sounds prudish and stuffy, but I don't want it. If I want to see exhibitionism in comics, I'll grab an issue of Heavy Metal comics. I don't want it in my Marvel.
Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
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Post by Tone-Loc on Apr 18, 2007 20:54:06 GMT -5
You know, nutcase, I was really confused by the "nudity" in #2. Obviously, there were not truly "defining characteristics" on Ultron. Nothing that a disrobed Barbie, or a mannequin (well, old mannequins... I notice a distubing trend that mannequins now have nipples, that were apparently cast when the room was -20 below).
That definitionless body, was what I expected actually. But what was confusing to me was that sometimes the body was covered by the smoke, or sometimes not at all. It seemed odd to me.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 18, 2007 21:02:29 GMT -5
Exactly Tone, especially at the beginning when the metal wasn't all encompassing, the barely place smoke on the bare (at that time) breast.
What's the point?
OK I'm gonna let this go like I let the book go.
No more ranting about this.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 19, 2007 0:52:35 GMT -5
My guess is not. I can't see how anyone could survive that, unless extremis basically turned Tony into a nanomachine colony that happens to resemble a man. Hmmm... now, THAT could go a long way at explaining many things, Balok...
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Post by perceval on Apr 19, 2007 1:41:26 GMT -5
Actually, I'm enjoying this series so far, much to my surprise. It's actually FUN, something we so rarely see from Marvel, these days. It makes a nice antidote to the oh so bleak, gloomy, grim'n'gritty New Avengers.
I'm even enjoying the weirdness going on between Jan and Ultron. Ultron's always been fixated with her. For those complaining about Jan's capabilities, notice she's the one who figured out who they were dealing with and what was going on.
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Post by Black Knight on Apr 19, 2007 7:57:33 GMT -5
well, there is a first for everything. This is another. I'm dropping this title as of now. I'll let others post a review. I have a huge problem with one aspect of Marvel. Why is it necessary to have nudity in a comic book? I'm no prude, but I wish I could let my kids read the comic books, but I can't. I have no problem letting them look at the comics on my dvd up to a recent point, but definitely not now. It's like they go out of their way to show things that aren't needed in the story. I don't care if it sounds prudish and stuffy, but I don't want it. If I want to see exhibitionism in comics, I'll grab an issue of Heavy Metal comics. I don't want it in my Marvel. Now back to your regularly scheduled programming. Buy Marvel Adventures: The Avengers for your kid, it is a fun book, that is very kid friendly.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 19, 2007 14:18:33 GMT -5
I enjoyed #2 very much actually.
Honestly, and you know I'd never say this unless I felt very strong about this Nutcase, but I find your objection rather WILDLY ridiculous to be honest. To say this book had enormous amounts of nudity or was graphic, that's just not true at ALL. I would have no objection to letting a five year old read the issue because quite simply, there's nothing bad. To say there is... I can't see how you can. There's nothing! There's smoke, there's nothing seen, she may as well NOT be nude- Hell, it's FAR less revealing than pretty much any Distinguished Competition picture of Power Girl.
Now my qualm with issue 2 was the fact that virtually nothing happened in the issue. But to complain about the nudity, I cannot see how that is justified.
Anyway, some fun scenes- I loved the Wonder Man and Wasp recruitment scenes, and particularly dug the way he nailed down Wonder Man much better than I thought he did. Ms Marvel also thought what we all said in regards to Ares, and the Sentry scene was actually okay which is more than I expected. Also a very cool ending.
Actually, my least favourite thing about the issue wasn't even the lack of happenings, it was that I HATE, HATE, HATE, HATE, HATE, HATE, HATE, HATE, HATE writers STILL persecuting Hank for the Jan-slapping. I HATE IT. He REDEEMED himself long ago, and then FULLY redeemed himself 100% in the Busiek run and then the Austin run brought it back! I thought it had died, I thought Civil War especially would help kill it but in just TWO mentions of him, Bendis brings it back again.
RRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
That aside, a solid issue, but a bit of a letdown. Still, so much happened in issue one that I can forgive this.
7.5/10
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 19, 2007 14:47:20 GMT -5
well, there is a first for everything. This is another. I'm dropping this title as of now. I'll let others post a review. I have a huge problem with one aspect of Marvel. Why is it necessary to have nudity in a comic book? I'm no prude, but I wish I could let my kids read the comic books, but I can't. I have no problem letting them look at the comics on my dvd up to a recent point, but definitely not now. It's like they go out of their way to show things that aren't needed in the story. I don't care if it sounds prudish and stuffy, but I don't want it. If I want to see exhibitionism in comics, I'll grab an issue of Heavy Metal comics. I don't want it in my Marvel. Now back to your regularly scheduled programming. Buy Marvel Adventures: The Avengers for your kid, it is a fun book, that is very kid friendly. I'd been thinking about that, Thanks Knight
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 19, 2007 14:52:24 GMT -5
Actually Doom, I think it's not needed in any of the books. As far as it there being a lot, there wasn't. But even one scene is too much for me. It distracted me (and yes I admit that's on me, getting distracted) from the main story I'd keep reading and be thinking, I wish they didn't feel the need to draw women so graphically. So the experience is ruined. Let me turn it the other way for a second. If they kept showing the male characters units, only covered in shadow or in profile or covered with a metal sheen, would you have an issue. I know there are some that wouldn't, and there are some that feel there is a difference. That's fine. This is only an issue about MY personal taste, this goes outside of it. I don't even mind a little skin showing in the context of love between characters. Or home life. This just seemed unneeded. Again, just about MY personal taste. No big deal, and I doubt Marvel will notice that I stopped picking this one up.
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Post by balok on Apr 19, 2007 14:58:30 GMT -5
I enjoyed #2 very much actually. Show of hands, everyone, who's surprised? Now my qualm with issue 2 was the fact that virtually nothing happened in the issue. Um, it's a Bendis book. It's not as if he didn't establish this pattern in New Avengers. He took less time to stagnate in Mighty Avengers, that's all. I have to wonder if the fact that he takes three issues to get where other writers get in one says that his creative well is tapped out, or its flow was never strong to begin with. He REDEEMED himself long ago, and then FULLY redeemed himself 100% in the Busiek run and then the Austin run brought it back! I thought it had died, I thought Civil War especially would help kill it but in just TWO mentions of him, Bendis brings it back again. Different people have different tolerance for this. Is it possible that some writers consider him redeemed, whereas others, perhaps closer to that situation in the real world, consider that there is no redemption for this sort of act? Personally, I thought it should be past him for a number of reasons: (1) work has been done to put it past him, and (2) it was deeply unheroic, and in the world of comics I like my heroes to be, well, heroic. So to accept Hank as a hero, it's necessary for me to accept that what has been written so far is adequate. I find his part in the creation of Clor, and his cooperation with the Initiative to represent far greater character flaws than his long ago spousal abuse. Since, really, it's Jan that must forgive him, and since she has, that episode really should be behind him. Still, so much happened in issue one that I can forgive this. I *might* give a bad issue or two a pass if there was a solid track record of several dozen good issues prior to it, especially if I felt that a new creative team was still getting up to speed. But certainly no more than two sub par issues, and this book hasn't got the track record for even that much leeway with me. I'm far less forgiving of poor quality than I once was. Hell, I didn't cancel during Heroes Reborn and I should have, and that wasn't all that long ago.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 19, 2007 15:02:56 GMT -5
Hell, I didn't cancel during Heroes Reborn and I should have, and that wasn't all that long ago. Balok, as Bong pointed out one of my weaknesses, this has, in the past, been a problem for me. Letting a book go in the middle of a storyline. I always had to compulsively collect something, even if I didn't like it. It'll be hard for me to not finish out, at least, this story. I just don't like it and can find other places to spend my money.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 19, 2007 15:34:43 GMT -5
Show of hands, everyone, who's surprised? Tell me, would that show be more or less than a show of hands of who was surprised you DIDN'T like Mighty Avengers 1 enough to keep it on? I love how you're so absolutely confident in judging after one great issue and one good one. Or if it's a different storytelling style... right, right, such an idea is OUT OF THE QUESTION! Absolutely, but it doesn't mean I can't dislike it I'm not going to claim all of Marvel is EVIL for this though, I'm not like you Not according to Mighty Avengers #2! I *might* give a bad issue or two a pass if there was a solid track record of several dozen good issues prior to it, especially if I felt that a new creative team was still getting up to speed. But certainly no more than two sub par issues, and this book hasn't got the track record for even that much leeway with me.. ...Show of hands, all who's surprised?
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 19, 2007 16:03:26 GMT -5
However, that one time you & Balok agreed probably most of us were genuinely surprised...! And even in here, you both agree that the issue of Hank slapping Jan should be put past both of them, so... that's refreshing & certainly surprising...!
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