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Post by Doctor Doom on Jan 29, 2007 13:49:44 GMT -5
Well Frank Cho is off the Avengers after the FIRST arc (That was short...) and Angel Medina is in. Oh, and the second story arc is about symbiotes attacking New York. On the plus side, he DOES say that they're the REAL Avengers since they lack Wolvie and Spider-Man- and personally I don't care what anyone says, the Mighty Avengers roster is very plausible as a real one. www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0701/29/angelmedina.htm
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Post by Black Knight on Jan 29, 2007 14:17:54 GMT -5
Don't know what to make of the symbiotes thing, but I don't find this team bad, just the writer.
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Post by ozbot on Jan 29, 2007 16:02:00 GMT -5
Ugh. I hate comicscontinuum. Could someone post the relevant snippets here? Otherwise, I'll wait for a better news site to report it.
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Post by Black Knight on Jan 29, 2007 16:05:10 GMT -5
Unfortuantly, those are the relevant snippets. LOL
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Post by dlw66 on Jan 30, 2007 13:20:40 GMT -5
Ugh. I hate comicscontinuum. Could someone post the relevant snippets here? Otherwise, I'll wait for a better news site to report it. All in what you're used to. I don't need all of the details that I'd get on Newsarama -- comicscontinuum usually has enough on it that I feel at least partially in the loop. I usually just skip the long interviews, although I appreciate that they are there in case I do find something interesting. Plus, they summarize what is being solicited each month and the previews of next week's comics are sometimes nice.
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Post by imperiusrex on Jan 31, 2007 22:35:56 GMT -5
Symbiotes? Why symbiotes? They're as overexposed as the Kree and Skrull are what with Venom and Carnage et al.Why are the Badoon consistently ignored? Because they're not as cool as drawing sludgy aliens with flicking tongues and giant teeth? I would love to see marvel draw on their rich history of alien menaces (the badoon are probably the oldest antagonistic alien race in the MU and are fairly impressive-in some timelines they do a pretty harsh number on our fair planet) rather than just draw on the very repetitive imagery of Venom and Carnage's ilk. (This will be the second symbiote appearance in an Avengers title in less than three years, true?). I'm just bored with the symbiotes. their visual appeal was overused and they have little motivation...
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Post by dlw66 on Jan 31, 2007 23:09:01 GMT -5
And hey, since Bendis has turned the new NA team into the Defenders anyway, why not revisit that classic multi-parter in the '70's Defenders mag with the Badoon, and the Guardians of the Galaxy, if I recall!! Steal the plot and add you're own drivel and you'd have a story!
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Post by imperiusrex on Feb 1, 2007 22:00:07 GMT -5
And hey, since Bendis has turned the new NA team into the Defenders anyway, why not revisit that classic multi-parter in the '70's Defenders mag with the Badoon, and the Guardians of the Galaxy, if I recall!! Steal the plot and add you're own drivel and you'd have a story! I would say don't give him any ideas, but he does kind of need them...and besides maybe Steve Gerber would get a royalty check.
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Post by steed on Feb 2, 2007 0:00:54 GMT -5
I like that we start talking about the artist for he series and we quikly fall into the writers and the flow of the series.
Personelly, Cho is gone so I don't get another ass shot on a page. Gee, I'll miss that.
Does this mean the writing will get better or worse? Will Marvel suddenly take their characters seriously?
Ahhh, I don't think so.
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Post by steed on Feb 2, 2007 0:04:45 GMT -5
And why are they "arcs"? A line is a line in my mind and everything used to be a storyline. Only in funny books do I hear that stupid term "arc".
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Post by BigDuke on Feb 2, 2007 8:55:36 GMT -5
Nube question: what is Medina drawing right now (or recently)? I am not familiar with his work.
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Post by redstatecap on Feb 2, 2007 11:34:43 GMT -5
Well, one has to wonder why Cho is gone. Can he not keep up the schedule? Conflict with the writer? Interesting question. He was supposed to provide the big-name splash for the book, and one has to believe that he was on board for more than one arc originally.
RSC
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Post by dlw66 on Feb 2, 2007 12:51:16 GMT -5
What will be his issue count by the time he leaves? He's been doing NA for awhile now. Will it amount to a full year by the time he's gone? Shoot, anymore that constitutes a "run" on a title.
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Post by redstatecap on Feb 2, 2007 13:11:02 GMT -5
I think Cho has only done 2 issue of NA -- #14 and 15. I may be wrong since I haven't bothered to browse the comic lately, but I don't think he's done any of the CW stuff. So 2 issues of NA a year ago and a small number of MA issues upcoming. I've now read elsewhere that he's coming back at #10. Too bad that the inability of artists to meet schedules across the board these days leads to -- IMO -- a loss of artistic continuity or energy, or whatever you want to call it.
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Post by daned on Feb 5, 2007 4:30:59 GMT -5
"I call them the 'real' Avengers since there's no Wolverine or Spider-Man on the team," Medina said with a smile.
I like him already
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Post by The Night Phantom on Feb 6, 2007 22:52:04 GMT -5
"I call them the 'real' Avengers since there's no Wolverine or Spider-Man on the team," Medina said with a smile. I noticed he didn’t say much about Ares or the Sentry…but I suppose we can’t be expecting additional diplomatic breaches.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Feb 7, 2007 16:46:11 GMT -5
I'd hardly say he meant that "If they've never had an avenger before, they're not the real avengers!" Notice he didn't mention Cage etc either.
I don't think it's ridiculous to suggest that maybe he finds adding new characters alright as long as it isn't done purely and blatantly to cash in on popularity like the two he cited.
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Post by thew40 on Feb 8, 2007 1:01:12 GMT -5
Symbiotes? Why symbiotes? They're as overexposed as the Kree and Skrull are what with Venom and Carnage et al.Why are the Badoon consistently ignored? Because they're not as cool as drawing sludgy aliens with flicking tongues and giant teeth? And yet, had it been Kurt Busiek, Roy Thomas, or Jim Shooter, I'm betting there would be no complaining on this story element. ~W~
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Post by Doctor Bong on Feb 8, 2007 1:24:23 GMT -5
Well, thew40, you seem to think we disparage & dispair at and of these ideas only because they are Bendis; meanwhile, we think it's only natural these kind of ideas are the natural byproducts of Brian's brain, since by now he's gotten us used to expect nothing else.
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Post by redstatecap on Feb 8, 2007 20:29:04 GMT -5
And yet, had it been Kurt Busiek, Roy Thomas, or Jim Shooter, I'm betting there would be no complaining on this story element. Something tells me that Kurt, Roy, and Jim wouldn't have given us Man-Suit Ronin. So consider the source. RSC
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Post by von Bek on Feb 9, 2007 9:49:24 GMT -5
And yet, had it been Kurt Busiek, Roy Thomas, or Jim Shooter, I'm betting there would be no complaining on this story element. Something tells me that Kurt, Roy, and Jim wouldn't have given us Man-Suit Ronin. So consider the source. RSC Yep. Jim Shooter could have done wonders with a character like the Sentry. We got Emma Frost and his wife inside his 'subconscious brain' (of all places) instead. Roger Stern could have done wonders with Spiderwoman as an Avenger. We got t&a instead. Kurt Busiek could have done wonders with Hawkeye returning from the dead. What we got was... well I don´t know that one, never read New Avengers 26, my masochism doesn´t went that far...
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Post by redstatecap on Feb 9, 2007 12:06:45 GMT -5
Kurt Busiek could have done wonders with Hawkeye returning from the dead. What we got was... well I don´t know that one, never read New Avengers 26, my masochism doesn´t went that far... I can answer that -- what we got was an issue about Hawkeye taking sexual advantage of a lifelong friend who is still mentally unbalanced. Disgusting and a terrible disservice to the histories of both characters. RSC
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Post by Doctor Doom on Feb 9, 2007 18:28:56 GMT -5
I still think it's undeniable that The W is right.
I'm not saying NA 26 was good by any stretch of imagination but I'm 100% sure that if the exact same issue had come out under Busiek or Shooter or any of them, half this forum would be cheerleading them.
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Post by von Bek on Feb 10, 2007 12:02:23 GMT -5
Sorry Doc, but Shooter or Busiek or 'any of them' (not sure what you mean. Who´re 'them'?) would never write that kind of crap. At least those creators know the basics of female anatomy, and would understand that the idea of a big black bald guy kicking a woman in the "balls" is beyond stupidity.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Feb 10, 2007 13:33:22 GMT -5
Well, what I want to now, in a nutshell (speculations about whether some other writer would have written such scene & what our reaction to it would have been aside), is anyone can seriously defend such scene, which, to me, seems to be reaching the nadir of bad taste.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Feb 10, 2007 13:43:02 GMT -5
And another thing is the art: initially, I thought getting rid of Cho and his T&A moneyshots was a good idea, but after seeing that page, I've changed my mind... I mean, the art looks so minimalist & has such an unfinished feel to it, that I seriously believe many a fanzine would refuse to publish it... Do you suppose it might be the result of Medina having been forced to rush it...? If the plot & art mantain the same quality level for 6 issues or so & the sales remain the same, that will be the final proof I require to abandon all hope beyond Marvel's corporate doors...
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Post by spiderwasp on Feb 10, 2007 13:56:27 GMT -5
Well, what I want to now, in a nutshell (speculations about whether some other writer would have written such scene & what our reaction to it would have been aside), is anyone can seriously defend such scene, which, to me, seems to be reaching the nadir of bad taste. I'm out. Even if I tried to play Devil's Advocate and come up with some defense just to get everyone talking I'd still be stumped. I just can't come up with one positive thing to say about that scene.
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Post by daned on Feb 13, 2007 3:11:07 GMT -5
Sorry, too tired to confirm this myself, but you're refering to the kick in the girl parts? My mate pointed this out and I'm surprised none of us did it: Cage has super strength. Elektra is normal strength. He kicks her in the crotch - probably shattering her pelvis. Spidey makes a crack.
Earth's mightiest Heroes indeed.
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Post by dlw66 on Feb 13, 2007 10:49:39 GMT -5
daned, that is exactly my take on that scene. Super-ninja or not, she is a woman and she is normal-powered. And FOOM for a sound effect?
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Post by von Bek on Feb 13, 2007 12:09:34 GMT -5
BENDIS! version of Elektra is also stupid, she goes against someone who has near invulnerable skin only with her sai. Almost every woman in Brian Misoginy Bendis' comics is retarded...
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