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Post by Doctor Doom on Jan 8, 2007 12:20:26 GMT -5
Bendis did an interview on Wizard about Avengers and it seems... good news, an old school Avengers villain returns. Bad news... he's being Bendisized.
My eyes widened. Yes, Ultron needs to be big. But this is BENDIS. Still, I thought- I'm not the character's biggest fan so no harm done. I read on and-
....Yeah.
Bendis is back, guys. And in full Bendis throttle.
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Post by Shiryu on Jan 8, 2007 17:50:31 GMT -5
Urgh ! A part of me is happy because this potentially means fun and clobbering. Another, which is way older and wiser, smells the possible ruining of two other pillars of the MU and get's depressed. Which one will be right ?
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Post by Engage on Jan 8, 2007 18:50:35 GMT -5
Before everyone jumps on this I think we should all remember Unthinkable. That was a new take on Dr. Doom that made him more dangerous than ever, but was perfectly in character. The simple fact that Bendis didn't want to do a throwaway Ultron and Doom story and waited until he came up with something big isn't a bad thing.
Thats the sort of thinking that separates Ultron from the Mad Thinker. Only time will tell.
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Post by uberwolf on Jan 9, 2007 8:46:21 GMT -5
Come on, this is the BENDIS. Everything Avengers he's touched has turned to concentrated doo-doo. Picture this, a whole issue of Ultron alone in a dark room looking sad and depressed talking to himself. "The Avengers shall perish this time. Oy"
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Post by dlw66 on Jan 9, 2007 9:10:05 GMT -5
Drawn with droopy encephalo-beam shooters, no less...
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Post by Bored Yesterday on Jan 9, 2007 13:46:23 GMT -5
Good luck Bendis! See ya in the quarter bin!
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Post by thew40 on Jan 9, 2007 21:23:36 GMT -5
Before everyone jumps on this I think we should all remember Unthinkable. That was a new take on Dr. Doom that made him more dangerous than ever, but was perfectly in character. The simple fact that Bendis didn't want to do a throwaway Ultron and Doom story and waited until he came up with something big isn't a bad thing. Thats the sort of thinking that separates Ultron from the Mad Thinker. Only time will tell. Agreed. And hey, at least he's bringing in villians, right? Even I hated the fact that it took 12 issues just to get the NA team together! Hopefully, he'll channel some of his good villian writing from "Alias" and "Ultimate Spider-Man." ~W~
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Post by uberwolf on Jan 9, 2007 23:53:45 GMT -5
I'm hoping as much as anyone Brendis does right by MA. I have my doubts though. Bendis just doesn't seem to care about continuity and history. Were there any stories he did at all that related to anything before Disassembled in NA? A good writer can take the existing history of a title and make it greater. Bendis ignored history and tried to ..... reinvent I guess is the term. It didn't work. Crossing my fingers, and toes, and whatever else I can cross.
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Post by thew40 on Jan 10, 2007 0:02:13 GMT -5
Bendis ignored history and tried to ..... reinvent I guess is the term. That sounds about right. I certainly think it was a "if it ain't broke don't fix it" situation before Bendis showed up. I think he just felt the need to fix it anyways. I know I seem to love Bendis, but he's far from perfect at times. I enjoy "New Avengers," but "Disassembled" was a slap in the face. But that's a rant for a different time . . . ~W~
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Post by Doctor Doom on Jan 13, 2007 5:17:01 GMT -5
It's twelve thousand times worse than my worst fears. www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NJF30art/MIGHTAVN002cov_col_t.jpg"ULTRON IS BACK and, yes, now he's a she. What?? Ultron's a girl?? It?s Ultron as only Frank Cho can bring it. And the Mighty Avengers haven't had a moment to get to know each other before they are thrown into one of the most epic adventures in the history of the Avengers." PS: Not content to ruin 616, Bendis has now created an Ultimate version of Ronin for USM.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Jan 13, 2007 9:43:17 GMT -5
"ULTRON IS BACK and, yes, now he's a she. What?? Ultron's a girl?? It?s Ultron as only Frank Cho can bring it. And the Mighty Avengers haven't had a moment to get to know each other before they are thrown into one of the most epic adventures in the history of the Avengers." I was bemused that the gender switch was apparently supposed to seem innovative, when we essentially have already had a female Ultron in the persons of Jocasta and especially Alkhema (a.k.a. War Toy). Big deal!Here’s a larger view of the image Doomsie gave the URL for: Kinda looks like Wanda, doesn’t she?
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Post by redstatecap on Jan 13, 2007 11:21:43 GMT -5
You have to be kidding me. You have to be kidding me. You have to be f***ing kidding me.
RSC
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Post by thew40 on Jan 13, 2007 11:26:13 GMT -5
Um . . . Uh . . . . . . what?
Okay, even I have to wonder what was going through his mind at this point? I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this, but . . . uh . . . female Ultron?
Hot, though.
EDIT: I wonder if the fact that she has partial fleshtone is part of the story?
~W~
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Post by The Night Phantom on Jan 13, 2007 11:31:22 GMT -5
I wonder if the fact that she has partial fleshtone is part of the story? I’m not sure that’s fleshtone; it could be a reflection on shiny skin.
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Post by redstatecap on Jan 13, 2007 12:00:02 GMT -5
"Hey, I've got it! Female Ultron! And Cho can draw a great rack on her, too! Sometimes I amaze myself with my originality and creativeness." Again this points out Bendis' either a)arrogance in thinking he can simply pass off an obvious rehash as original, or b) lack of background knowledge about a comic he claims to be a big fan of. Jocasta? War Toy? Original??? Hello? I'm certain every longtime Avengers fan has to be wondering whether Bendis has ever actually read an Avengers comic prior to getting the job. I mean, shouldn't it be obvious to anyone with two brain cells that this is a total derivative? But really, people, is this so unexpected from the man whot brought you man-suit Ronin? No doubt Bendis thought that was a great, "edgy" idea as well. I'm beyond being shocked by his stupidity -- in fact I've come to expect it.
RSC
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Post by The Night Phantom on Jan 13, 2007 12:06:27 GMT -5
But really, people, is this so unexpected from the man whot brought you man-suit Ronin? He puts Echo in a man-suit and Ultron in a woman-suit…I’m awaiting his third Avengers series, Androgynous Avengers!
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Post by Van Plexico on Jan 13, 2007 12:23:43 GMT -5
I think this would have fit much better in the ULTIMATES universe, where this version of Ultron would have had a female Vision to kick around...
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Post by Van Plexico on Jan 13, 2007 12:38:50 GMT -5
No, I'm pretty sure it's flesh/fleshtone. Look at the face.
I predict "she" won't simply be a newly upgraded model of the basic Ultron-- "she" will be maybe a woman infected with a "computer virus" and thus half-human/half-robot.
In other words, it's Marvel's Witchblade, or Seven of Nine....
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Post by ozbot on Jan 13, 2007 12:48:19 GMT -5
I wonder what this says about Henry Pym's brain patterns that were used to create Ultron in the first place.
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Post by Tana Nile on Jan 13, 2007 14:48:25 GMT -5
Not to mention that this was just done in the Ultimate universe with Ultimate Vision.
I swear, I am this close to being a 'make mine DC' fan....
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Post by Doctor Bong on Jan 13, 2007 17:04:11 GMT -5
That's interesting: that no matter how much damage Bendis keeps causing to the MU, we're always "this close"... but we never actually cross the line... and so, bendis keeps winning!
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Post by The Night Phantom on Jan 13, 2007 17:56:56 GMT -5
I wonder if the fact that she has partial fleshtone is part of the story? I’m not sure that’s fleshtone; it could be a reflection on shiny skin. No, I'm pretty sure it's flesh/fleshtone. Look at the face. I predict "she" won't simply be a newly upgraded model of the basic Ultron-- "she" will be maybe a woman infected with a "computer virus" and thus half-human/half-robot. Ultron’s face has a tradition of being shiny and reflective (not always shown in the art, but sometimes), and the color applied to the face could be reflective in that tradition. (Reflective of what? I don’t know—possibly those bright eyes and/or something not directly shown in the picture.) I don’t exclude the possibility that it is an inherent color either. Or, following up on your prediction, it could be a nonliteral expression of the amalgamation of woman and machine. While the face doesn’t tell me much, I took another look at the left arm and concluded that it looks like a human arm within a semitransparent casing. If that’s what it indeed is, then that bodes well for your contentions. Earlier I said that “She-Ultron” resembles Wanda, but I was basing that on the red glowing eyes that Wanda sometimes exhibits while under Bendis’ tender care. Actually—mostly going by the haircut—I think she better resembles Jan, who after all is in Mighty Avengers and could be subject to an “infection” like that Van suggests. Following up on Oz’s question: I wonder what this says about Henry Pym's brain patterns that were used to create Ultron in the first place. Well, it might say that Hank wants to, er, merge with Ms. Van Dyne. It wouldn’t be the first time that Ultron exhibited a sort of Oedipus complex.
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Post by uberwolf on Jan 14, 2007 2:24:28 GMT -5
Um... wow. Just when you think it can't get any worse.... It could be I've just gone insane and I'm losing touch with realty. That IS supposed to be Ultron right? Not Jan using her new Bendisized Wasp powers to burst out of the defeated Ultrons head? I need to quit comics and never come back here before I see Bendis completely rape my childhood heroes... and villains.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Jan 14, 2007 4:15:47 GMT -5
d**n right, uberwolf... as you know, acording to the Brain Bender himself, it's too late on that regard for Wolverine...
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Post by redstatecap on Jan 14, 2007 23:09:40 GMT -5
Um... wow. Just when you think it can't get any worse.... It could be I've just gone insane and I'm losing touch with realty. That IS supposed to be Ultron right? Not Jan using her new Bendisized Wasp powers to burst out of the defeated Ultrons head? I need to quit comics and never come back here before I see Bendis completely rape my childhood heroes... and villains. Re-read Avengers #162 and weep bitter tears, my friend. RSC
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Post by daned on Jan 18, 2007 6:42:36 GMT -5
I've been somewhat calm and reasoned about this so far, but...
Show of Hands: How many of you read Bendis and truly believe he has read an issue of Avengers... ever?
Okay, another show of hands: How many of you look at Frank Cho's art and think he seriously needs to get laid?
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Post by The Night Phantom on Jan 18, 2007 19:15:31 GMT -5
Show of Hands: How many of you read Bendis and truly believe he has read an issue of Avengers... ever? Oh, I imagine it’s possible. Reading something does not necessarily imply comprehending it or retaining it.
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Post by uberwolf on Jan 18, 2007 19:30:27 GMT -5
Ye gods, if he did this with Ultron what about Doooooom. I'm expecting the good Dr. to come out of the closet sporting a new set of armor complete with a set of double D's and a chrome bikini. The reality can't be worse than that, it can't be.... right?
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Post by Doctor Bong on Jan 18, 2007 20:20:09 GMT -5
How about... Doctor Doom saying "Oy"...? Or joining the Avengers...?
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Post by uberwolf on Jan 18, 2007 20:35:03 GMT -5
"Oy! Doom cares not for your petty parlour tricks!"
Hmmmmmm....Just doesn't work for me.
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