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Post by Nutcase65 on Mar 14, 2007 8:27:40 GMT -5
I post this only becausae I'm interested.
I am most dissapointed with Reed. They made him seem like such a sheep. "I follow it because it's the law" or that Asimov bit he used to prove it was necessary when the FF had flown in the face of the impossible so many times before.
He seemed so spineless, and in my book he isn't spineless.
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Post by Yellowjacket on Mar 14, 2007 8:43:38 GMT -5
They made him seem like such a sheep. & I even think scapegoat seems to fit. There had to be one (there always has to) and he was the chosen one.
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Post by thew40 on Mar 14, 2007 9:40:12 GMT -5
Wolverine.
Why wasn't this guy in the final battle? I mean, he went off, found Nitro, kicked Damage Control's ass, fought with Blade, and then . . . that was it? All he got was a mention in Civil War # 6 that he wouldn't "break rank with the X-Men." What the -- !? Breaking rank is what Wolverine does!
~W~
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Post by Doctor Doom on Mar 14, 2007 11:42:49 GMT -5
Probably Spider-Man. Why? Because they forgot the third act. |He was a massive player in civil war- his unmasking was huge, his changing sides was another massive point...
...then he kind of fades into the background. Sure, Millar tries to give him some cool moments but we DEFINITELY needed more resolution on him- more of him in CW7, and he should have faced off with Iron Man before Cap to set up the final showdown.
From CW 1-5, Civil War stars Cap, Iron Man and Spidey. But from 6-7, Spidey is shoved into the background.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Mar 14, 2007 12:18:18 GMT -5
None of them: for me, Iron Man because, in my book, the SHRA supporting IM is NOT what he is about...
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Post by balok on Mar 14, 2007 16:19:12 GMT -5
Since Iron Man's not on the list, I'd have to go with Reed, whose spineless behavior isn't anything like Reed as I remember him. But Doc raises a good point about Spidey - the writers shelved him in the denouement except for a brief scene in the final battle where his skills impress everyone.
Amazing... is the only Marvel book I still follow, and that only until JMS leaves. I am hoping to see JMS handle some of the repercussions of Spidey's various Civil War decisions.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Mar 14, 2007 17:50:27 GMT -5
The thing with Spidey I'd guess is page count. It was a "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" I guess- if they had delayed Civil War #7 a month in order to wrap up a load more plots and add things, then Marvel fans would have screamed murder far worse than they actually did. Sad, because personally I'd wait three months if it meant three times the number of pages at that level of quality But Spidey was skimped out on. My guess is that he initially had more in issue #7 but that stuff went on the cutting room in floor in favour of Initiative stuff so instead we get his "cool" scene and his little black costume bit at the end. (Incidentally the New Avengers also deserved more space.) Actually, and this may be the only time I say this, I do partly blame Bendis for thi.s Plot threads like that were BEGGING to be dealt with in "The Initiative" special but instead of even really mentioning the FSI or it's implications, instead of showing us more of the formation of the NA, talking about Mar-Vell or Spidey or the Champions or anything like that.... ...Bendis uses it as the oppurtunity to showcase the team of Friend Of Bendis (Oeming and he do 'Powers' together) and to set up Bendis' own books. (Though even then not addressing many of the questions one would expect to see.) ...Sorry, I really was crushingly disappointed without even a god-damned MENTION of the FSI in that book! Long story short, we needed more spidey. Even his ow narc, "The War At Home" was fantastic during the War, then fizzled out with nowhere to go and no conclusion.
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Post by Shiryu on Mar 15, 2007 9:38:52 GMT -5
For me it was a choice between Reed and Dr Strange, but in the end I voted the second because at least Reed did pick a side, rather then disappearing on the moon.
As for Spidey, he had more space in the Pro Reg side than in the Anti Reg (book wise that is). I would have liked to see him doing more in issue 7, but agree with Doom that there was a problem with space there.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Mar 16, 2007 10:30:49 GMT -5
I was swayed towards Strange for a little while. It was obvious that he was against the act, and now he is with the New Avengers. So why not take a stand instead of hanging out with Uatu?
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Post by Doctor Doom on Mar 16, 2007 12:07:31 GMT -5
Firstly because "He didn't believe it was his part to alter the superhuman destiny." But also, just because you think the law is wrong, doesn't mean you go beat up people who enforce it and hurl cops out of cars. He joins the NA after the war because most probably of the death of Cap, or reasons yet to be revealed- he clearly doesn't oppose it strongly enough to act during the war. Plus, it's Strange. 9/10 times there is some mystical-whammy convenient plot device which means he can't interfere and change the course of history
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Post by Nutcase65 on Mar 16, 2007 13:08:57 GMT -5
Yeah, but with that being the case, I can't see why he'd be running with the NA,.. unless,... like you said, convenient plot device for the future.
I just think he COULD be a really cool character, if the right person got a hold of the scripts.
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Post by balok on Mar 16, 2007 14:35:27 GMT -5
He joined the New Avengers so Bendis would have another character to ruin.
Doctor Strange's position on the war was the correct one for him. Such concerns are so far beneath him that they're irrelevant to him. He deals with the horrible stuff most Marvel characters never even know about. The man has faced down Dormammu, taken on the Mindless Ones, and routinely invokes the power of cosmically powerful entities.
Pitting him against ninjas? One spell later, they're all dead, asleep, toads - whatever Strange wants them to be. So what's his role on the team?
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Post by Doctor Bong on Mar 16, 2007 15:57:05 GMT -5
He's going to say "Oy, by rings of Raggador...!!!"
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