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Post by Engage on Feb 4, 2007 17:33:11 GMT -5
I was thinking, is it really wise to try and escape the SRA by running to Canada?
Canada is the home of the Flight system of super-heroics. The government trains, coordinates and recruits heroes. They do it both legally and illegally and have the mysterious Director X as the head of Department H.
Isn't that exactly what they're running from?
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Post by redstatecap on Feb 4, 2007 22:25:12 GMT -5
Shhhhhh! Marvel is trying to make a meta political statement.
RSC
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Post by Doctor Doom on Feb 7, 2007 16:48:10 GMT -5
...Correct me if I'm wrong but we've seen virtually no-one try and escape by going to Canada. There's Purple Man and Jessica Jones and uh... that's it.
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Post by Engage on Feb 7, 2007 18:46:00 GMT -5
I think that Julia Carpenter was trying to run to Canada with her daughter, along with The Shroud. Doctor Strange is at "the north pole". Its not a big list but even if its only a few people it still doesn't make any sense. The Marvel Universe's Canada already has what basically amounts to the SRA. Its not a good place to run to.
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Post by Tana Nile on Feb 7, 2007 19:01:38 GMT -5
Maybe Ben Grimm was the smartest, he went to France. Then again, that does mean having to be around the French...  |
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Post by thew40 on Feb 7, 2007 23:18:49 GMT -5
Maybe Ben Grimm was the smartest, he went to France. Then again, that does mean having to be around the French... I will have to say that his adventures in France has been a high point of the Fantastic Four issues. ~W~ |
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Post by Tana Nile on Feb 8, 2007 10:59:04 GMT -5
In all seriousness, I thought Ben's decision was really one of the high points of the whole Civil War. He's a man of strong principles; he doesn't believe in the law itself, but doesn't want to break the law. More than that though, Ben is friends with so many heroes, the idea of fighting them and watching people he knows be hurt or killed was just too much for him. This is one example where Marvel actually got the character right - as opposed to the behavior of some of the other heroes in the C.W.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Feb 19, 2007 22:38:16 GMT -5
I’m not which disappoints me more—that in my absence this forum had to sink into disparaging a race/ethnicity/nationality, or that said disparagement has stood for over a week without challenge.
S’il y a des Français qui ont lu la remarque péjorative que j’ai blâmée ci-dessus, je veux vous assurer que pas tous les membres du présent forum n’adhèrent à des sentiments aussi antipathiques. En effet, si vous pensiez vous joindre à notre cercle, je vous convie à venir parler Vengeurs avec nous.
Le Fantôme Nocturne
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Post by Doctor Bong on Feb 20, 2007 2:35:55 GMT -5
Meaning...?
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Tone-Loc
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Post by Tone-Loc on Feb 20, 2007 10:48:36 GMT -5
"If there is of the French who read the pejorative remark that I blamed above, I want to ensure you that not all the members of this forum do not adhere to such antipathetic feelings. Indeed, if you think of joining our circle, I invite you to come to speak Vengeurs with us.
The Night Phantom"
Machine translation coutesy of Google.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Feb 20, 2007 13:11:37 GMT -5
Sorry, Ua2  —although the message ought to be comprehensible to anyone for whom I had actually intended it, it was short-sighted of me not to give an explanation in English. "If there is of the French who read the pejorative remark that I blamed above, I want to ensure you that not all the members of this forum do not adhere to such antipathetic feelings. Indeed, if you think of joining our circle, I invite you to come to speak Vengeurs with us.
The Night Phantom"Machine translation coutesy of Google. Thank you, Toneloc, for stepping up. Unfortunately, the mechanical translation, in addition to being clunky and inexact, very significantly subverted my intended meaning with the double negative: I wished to assure the reader that not all members subscribe to such feelings—that should be more reassuring than the notion that not all members don’t! (Hm, I wonder, how would the mechanical translator handle “ c’est plus qu’un crime, c’est une faute”? ) I don’t have much time at present to further dissect the translation, nor am I a skilled translator myself. (But here’s a hint: Vengeurs means “Avengers”, natch.)
Perhaps it was but a figment of my imagination (we Night Phantoms aren’t at our best in daytime); but before I could log in and post, I could have sworn I saw another message in this thread defending Francophobic remarks as part of our (presumably America’s) culture. Of course, you are entitled to your notions of social justice, but I submit that no culture needs ingrained bigotry. If you can equally welcome remarks to the effect that the drawback of going to Mexico would be in being around Mexican people, the drawback of going to sub-Saharan Africa would be in being around black people, the drawback of going to Israel would be in being around Jews, etc.—well, if you’re really universal in your condemnations of race, ethnicity, and nationality, I suppose that might be very equitable, but it’s still not a particularly welcoming attitude. |
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Post by Tana Nile on Feb 20, 2007 13:37:33 GMT -5
Night Phantom: I'm sorry if my remark regarding the Thing being around French people offended you. I was being silly, and should have realized that on the internet, there's very little room for any sort of joking around, as such things are almost always misinterpreted. I in fact have no dislike of France or the French people. I supported their stand in this whole mess we now have over in Iraq (and I'm sure now someone will be pissed at me for saying that). In any case, if it made you uncomfortable, I feel badly for that, and I am sorry.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Feb 20, 2007 21:04:54 GMT -5
Tana, I accept, solely on my own behalf, your explanation, your sincerity, your open-mindedness, and your healthy attitude of dissent.  On the other hand, I feel there is quite a lot of room for joking, though perhaps not for this particular brand of humor. In that spirit, I confess I also feel sorry for Ben, for being surrounded by faux French people—I assume that’s what they are, for they tend to speak French as though the Google mechanical translator had supplied their dialogue…! |
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Post by Doctor Bong on Feb 21, 2007 1:38:26 GMT -5
Mark Twain said: "My only prejudice is against the Human Race".
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Post by balok on Feb 23, 2007 13:07:49 GMT -5
Around the time of the run-up to the Iraq War (in the real universe, of course), Canada signed an agreement to return individuals to the United States who attempted to flee there. Since there's no draft, presumably this applies to individuals who enlisted and decided they didn't want to go to Iraq, or perhaps didn't want to go back to Iraq.
If 616 Canada has a similar agreement, would it not be required by treaty to return the people who attempted to escape Iron Man and SHIELD? I'd think so.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Mar 14, 2007 16:28:44 GMT -5
Getting back to what was said about the Thing in France.
I agree that it was one of the high points of the series. I've read a lot of posts about people wishing for a return to old-school type stories and that's what this was.
It was almost like recess from the seriousness of the storyline.
I also liked the old-school French heroes. They could've been portrayed more clownishly but they weren't. It was a good story
As for the original line of the post, I believe that the Canadian government would've had to return any border crossers.
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—although the message ought to be comprehensible to anyone for whom I had actually intended it, it was short-sighted of me not to give an explanation in English.
On the other hand, I feel there is quite a lot of room for joking, though perhaps not for this particular brand of humor. In that spirit, I confess I also feel sorry for Ben, for being surrounded by faux French people—I assume that’s what they are, for they tend to speak French as though the Google mechanical translator had supplied their dialogue…!