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Post by dlw66 on Apr 26, 2006 12:58:45 GMT -5
From Comics Continuum, describing the first issue: "When global threats surface, they have to contend with the combined might of: Captain America! Storm! Iron Man! The Hulk! Giant-Girl! Wolverine! Spider-Man! Still, powers higher-up think their new computerized defenses will be even more reliable than our heroes. (Just wish they hadn't named the system ULTRON...!)" There are six pages from the book posted on this link. Comments? www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0604/25/marvelfirsts.htm
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Post by Van Plexico on Apr 26, 2006 16:59:24 GMT -5
Beautiful to look at. I only wish the NEW AVENGERS looked that good-- though Deodato is a big improvement, IMO, from Finch.
But I don't know what this is supposed to be. Storm? Hulk? Hah?! (And why does Storm have Ms. Marvel's swimsuit design on?)
Again, really nice art, though.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Apr 26, 2006 20:02:06 GMT -5
Storm is the all-out odd choice since she’s never been an Avenger. Possibly someone wanted the team to be more ethnically diverse and girl-friendly, but they could have put in an actual Avenger like Captain Marvel (Monica Rambeau) or Silverclaw.
The “Giant-Girl” phenomenon is also puzzling. I’ve read that this is Janet Van Dyne. Well, OK, she did use enlarging powers briefly during Chuck Austen’s run, but why not stick to the name she used then, “Giant Woman”?
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Post by dlw66 on Apr 26, 2006 22:32:21 GMT -5
It is, as stated, certainly an odd mix. Does Ororo get membership after she marries T'Challa? Does she lose it if they get divorced, as part of some Marvel Universe prenuptial agreement? Is the Hulk dumb or smart? I wish they'd had the lettering in the samples!
But like Van said, the art is pretty good. Guess we'll have to wait until May 17 when it ships.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Apr 27, 2006 20:38:58 GMT -5
Does Ororo get membership after she marries T'Challa? And does he become an X-Man?
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Post by Yellowjacket on Apr 28, 2006 7:16:07 GMT -5
One question and one remark.
Marvel Adventures - am I right that these series/stories are more kid/teen-oriented (I never read a MA story)? I´m not 100% sure about this, but that would be a crucial factor for me not to buy it.
And for the remark, personally, I don´t like the art, it´s not that bad but I do prefer Finch. ;D
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Post by The Night Phantom on Apr 28, 2006 17:16:48 GMT -5
Marvel Adventures - am I right that these series/stories are more kid/teen-oriented (I never read a MA story)? Preteen...maybe very young preteen.
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Post by dlw66 on May 2, 2006 13:42:26 GMT -5
I've read a few of these. They are simplified, to be sure, but not as much as (for those of us old enough to remember) Spidey Super Stories!!
I may pick up the first issue, just to see how the characterization goes. As I said above, there are some strange dynamics in this team.
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Post by Black Knight on May 2, 2006 15:36:10 GMT -5
Also, you guys that are wondering about the choses, you have to remember, that this is not from the MU universe. Marvel Adventures is its own universe, where the X-men don't exist. Storm and Wolverine are Avengers here.
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Post by The Night Phantom on May 2, 2006 17:07:58 GMT -5
Also, you guys that are wondering about the choses, you have to remember, that this is not from the MU universe. Marvel Adventures is its own universe, where the X-men don't exist. I understand that, but my point of view is that if Marvel’s going to base the comic on the Avengers, why not use actual Avengers? If they want to include two X-Men, they can drop Storm and add the Beast. Or heck, they could add the Black Panther and keep Storm as a supporting player (“T’Challa’s devoted girlfriend/wife”). But really, I would step back and say that if Marvel wants to print an Avengers comic that is appropriate for younger readers, it should print all-ages (or most-ages) stories in a regular Avengers comic. It’s a formula that’s worked for decades!
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Post by dlw66 on May 2, 2006 21:11:07 GMT -5
Phantom, you couldn't have said it better! I don't want to go all white-bread on everyone, but as I've said elsewhere the particular love scene with Hank and Jan during Geoff Johns' run was way out of line. I cannot in good conscience recommend a lot of the comics I read to my sons, who are junior high age. And I don't read hardly anything out of the mainstream. Comics in a way mirror the way American television has really pushed the decency envelope in the past 15 years.
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Post by The Night Phantom on May 3, 2006 4:58:24 GMT -5
Phantom, you couldn't have said it better! Aw, shucks! I don’t have kids, but I take an interest in my friends’ kids, and I feel your pain. There’s nothing wrong with being in favor of freedom of expression while also preferring a certain “spectrum of taste” within some particular kind of entertainment, even for just yourself without the question of kids, even if you find your preferred spectrum varies according to the entertainment (e.g., I have looser decency standards for Robert Kirkman’s zombie-apocalypse comic The Walking Dead than I do for Avengers). The Marvel Adventures line turns me off by dumbing down properties that are traditionally both kid-appropriate and intelligent. (It’s OK if they don’t understand everything; kids need something to aspire to!) Marvel could serve a younger demographic by sticking to the tradition as I said and/or by creating new properties that are tailored—but not condescending—to the youngsters.
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Post by Yellowjacket on May 3, 2006 6:22:12 GMT -5
Personally, I mustn´t have a scene like Hank´s/Jan´s in Avengers, too. A more subtly version (if any) would have worked, too. But in general I like the more grown or even dark (why have I to think of Finch ) approach of (not only New) Avengers. This is especially the case with the art - I really do not like any manga-like drawings (yes, I know that manga isn´t per se related with teen comics, but for a die hard Marvel/Big John fan like me that is my connotation). Exampel: I´m still reading FF (even though I didn´t like the stories for many, many years, until JMS took over recently), but I always "hated" the often manga-like approach of the drawers. The grown approach of Avengers will often include some hefty action and even violence, at least I like it that way. And I don´t think this would be possible in a most-ages magazine. So, therefore a series like Marvel Adventures.
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Post by dlw66 on May 3, 2006 8:23:05 GMT -5
I think there's a place for certain elements in certain comics. For example, Daredevil seems to work well as Marvel's version of the Dark Knight. However, there is something nostaligic about the old wise-cracking DD and the Owl, the Man-Bull, the Gladiator, etc. I thought Marvel was going to use their Knights imprint for more "mature" stories, while keeping the mainstream titles more or less status quo. Seems like that wasn't the case.
I guess my deal is, if I want an edgier story I should know where to find it. For example, the Batman tale Ultimate Evil was about as edgy as it gets (child prostitution/porn industry in SE Asia), but I also like access to just good ol' four-color fun. Some of Miller's DD stuff is great -- should that be on the newstands?
Again, freedom of expression is a fundamental right in most western nations. But so should be the right to expect decency in certain contexts.
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Post by Shiryu on May 3, 2006 8:43:25 GMT -5
Somehow I had missed this topic. Art looks nice, and the story could be interesting. I only don't like Giant Girl (!). Anyway, from what I read above, these stories are not canon and are not part of continuity, right ?
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Post by von Bek on May 3, 2006 12:36:40 GMT -5
I haven´t read the actual comic (but like many already stated, the art is not bad) but my problem with such comics lines (kids friendly) is that they oft miss the target audience, because the stories are just watered down versions of the 'genuine' thing (the Avengers comic). Let´s face it, kids don´t like dumbed down writing - 'for kids only', and neither did I, when I was a pre teen. Of course certain subjects aren´t for kids at all, but for years Marvel managed to stay in the 'middle ground', so I don´t understand why now we must have 4 or 5 Avengers books independent from each other, every one of them for a specific age group (there aren´t so many comic readers anymore anyway)...
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Post by Black Knight on May 3, 2006 13:33:33 GMT -5
Somehow I had missed this topic. Art looks nice, and the story could be interesting. I only don't like Giant Girl (!). Anyway, from what I read above, these stories are not canon and are not part of continuity, right ? They are part of the marvel adventure universe continuum, I guess. Also, I to would have prefered a more classic team, but at least we are not being handed charaters, that have 30 years of history with other teams, and told to like it or lump it.
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Post by von Bek on May 3, 2006 13:50:31 GMT -5
Also, I to would have prefered a more classic team, but at least we are not being handed charaters, that have 30 years of history with other teams, and told to like it or lump it. Err, actually we are, Ororo and Wolverine have 30 years history with the X-Men... Unless you´re saying they´re not part of other teams in this new Marvel Adventures continuity.
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Post by Black Knight on May 3, 2006 15:00:51 GMT -5
Also, I to would have prefered a more classic team, but at least we are not being handed charaters, that have 30 years of history with other teams, and told to like it or lump it. Err, actually we are, Ororo and Wolverine have 30 years history with the X-Men... Unless you´re saying they´re not part of other teams in this new Marvel Adventures continuity. That is exactly what I am saying, from my understand the Marvel Adventures universe, is a restart for kids. And the X-Men don't exist yet. Know I am not sure, they might have guest stared in the MA:FF or MA:Spidey, but I think I am right.
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Post by The Night Phantom on May 3, 2006 21:33:22 GMT -5
That is exactly what I am saying, from my understand the Marvel Adventures universe, is a restart for kids. Sounds like an ill-advised plan for hooking new readers, since presumably such new readers would within a few years outgrow the Marvel Adventures line and be mature enough for the mainstream line...which would confusingly contradict the stories they’ve been reading. Or would the plan be to push Marvel Adventures closer and closer to an X rating as their demographic ages (and then introduce a new “all-ages” line of Marvel Universe copycats)?
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